Skinny Fat: Keep Muscle, Lose Fat

[quote]datta wrote:
The vegan guy who posted had extremely good advice also, follow that. Make sure you do pushups, pullups, easy things that get you strong and will only aid in your goals.[/quote]

Thanks… Let me just say that that ‘vegan’ thing only lasted about 2 or so years. As an actively competitive rower college kid (early 20’s), I was literally starving. I went home to visit parents and pop had a prime London Broil on the grill. I broke my veganism right then and never looked back… So much for that little experiment.

Incidentally, my performance improved remarkably the following season and rowed several personal bests.

Lifts went up significantly as well.

re: Dumbbell squats-- definitely effective, especially during circuits and weighted Tabatas.

Good luck.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
<<< I broke my veganism right then and never looked back… So much for that little experiment.

Incidentally, my performance improved remarkably the following season and rowed several personal bests.

Lifts went up significantly as well. >>>[/quote]

NO SHIT!?!?!?!?!?

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
NO SHIT!?!?!?!?!?[/quote]

Can you believe it? Crazy talk, man… Pure crazy talk… :wink:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
NO SHIT!?!?!?!?!?

Can you believe it? Crazy talk, man… Pure crazy talk… :wink:

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On the downside we all expect you to drop dead from protein poisoning any minute now.

[quote]rxghost wrote:
are dumbbell squats still as effective? I honestly don’t feel comfortable going under the barbell yet. [/quote]

If you’re going to use dumbbells then do single leg squats.

http://www.matrixftb.com/img/S_L_Squat_1.JPG

[quote]rxghost wrote:
thesixteenth wrote:

Day 1 (5x5)
Dumbbell Bench Press
Lat Pulldown (or pullups, if you can only do 5)
Seated Dumbbell shoulder press
Bent over row/seated row

Day 3 (4x6)
Bent over Row
Barbell Bench Press
Seated Barbell Shoulder Press
Dumbbell flyes

Day 5 (3x10)
Squats
Incline Bench Press
Pullups or Lat Pull
reverse dumbbell flyes

i’m starting this program today… (with day 5)

The only changes i’m making are that I’m going to do squats and benchpressing with dumbbells.

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Don’t - that program is rubbish. Barely any leg work. Not sure what thesixteenth was thinking when he recommended you do 3 full body workouts a week … and then presented a program which only has ONE full body workout.

There are plenty of programs on this side to get you started. Try Big Boy Basics instead.

hmmm i see… ok then.

i’ll do this… seems like a good beginner program… i only want to use dumbbells and am not looking to get under a bar just yet

Monday/Thursday

3 sets of 8-12:
Dumbbell Bench Press
Dumbbell bent over row
Standing Dumbbell Shoulder Press
(do it standing holding your abs tight)

2 sets of 8-12:
Bicep Curls
Hammer curls
Tricep Kickbacks
Overhead tricep extensions

Wednesday/Saturday

HIIT Cardio (Elliptical)

Tuesday/Friday
3 sets of 8-12:

Dumbbell Squat
Dumbbell Lunges
Romanian Deadlift

Sunday

Rest

hmmm i see… ok then.

i’ll do this… seems like a good beginner program… i only want to use dumbbells and am not looking to get under a bar just yet

Monday/Thursday

3 sets of 8-12:
Dumbbell Bench Press
Dumbbell bent over row
Standing Dumbbell Shoulder Press
(do it standing holding your abs tight)

2 sets of 8-12:
Bicep Curls
Hammer curls
Tricep Kickbacks
Overhead tricep extensions

Wednesday/Saturday

HIIT Cardio (Elliptical)

Tuesday/Friday
3 sets of 8-12:

Dumbbell Squat
Dumbbell Lunges
Romanian Deadlift

Sunday

Rest

Who don;t you follow a specified program on this site instead?
I did well with ruppetoe and am doing even better with afterburn right now for example.

[quote]Sharat the Tank wrote:
Who don;t you follow a specified program on this site instead?
I did well with ruppetoe and am doing even better with afterburn right now for example.[/quote]

if i did rippetoe, could I just use dumbbells for all the exercises? Would it still be effective?

what do you NEED to replace with DB in Rippetoe?

to be honest… i’m looking to do the whole program using only dumbbells… in my case, i’d think it would still be really effective for the muscle gain… since i have pretty much none at the moment.

i just don’t feel comfortable getting under the bar yet.

[quote]rxghost wrote:
to be honest… i was looking to do the whole program using only dumbbells… in my case, i’d think it would still be really effective for the muscle gain… since i have pretty much nothing at the moment.

i just don’t feel comfortable getting under the bar yet. i don’t have a spotter, and i don’t want to risk my back [/quote]

i’m just going to stick with this for now…
Monday/Thursday

3 sets of 8-12:
Dumbbell Bench Press
Dumbbell bent over row
Standing Dumbbell Shoulder Press
(do it standing holding your abs tight)

2 sets of 8-12:
Bicep Curls
Hammer curls
Tricep Kickbacks
Overhead tricep extensions

Wednesday/Saturday

HIIT Cardio (Elliptical)

Tuesday/Friday
3 sets of 8-12:

Dumbbell Squat
Dumbbell Lunges
Romanian Deadlift

Sunday

Rest

[quote]rxghost wrote:
to be honest… i’m looking to do the whole program using only dumbbells… in my case, i’d think it would still be really effective for the muscle gain… since i have pretty much none at the moment.

i just don’t feel comfortable getting under the bar yet. [/quote]

Why not? The bar only weights 45 lb.

Not to be an ass, but i seriously think your estrogen levels are making you act emotional, you know like a girl.

do lots of deadlifts. you do not need to “get under the bar” you stay above it. it will work 90% of your muscles. you will sweat.your heart will race. you will become tired. your metabilism will go through the roof. your fat will burn off. you will get stronger. add in a press or two of your choice to work the remaining muscles.

do this for 5 days a week for 2 - 3 months then see where you are. don’t waste your time with dumbell curls, tricep kickbacks whatever, they will not help you lose the fat that you seemed to be bothered about.

5-10 sets x 3-5 reps both excercises. rest 40 seconds.
simple, boring,works.
do your splits,isolation excercises whatever in the future.
enjoy.

[quote]rxghost wrote:
fatcat wrote:
I used to look similar to you when I was in my early teens. I also come from a family that eats largely vegetarian (they are East Indian, and I assume you are from your pic). I used to eat like you. I used to do lots of cardio like you. I also used to look like shit, just like you. I know lots of East Indian males that eat a vegetarian or a low-meat diet. Guess what? They all look like shit.

Heres the truth: no matter how much you enjoy the vegetarian “lifestyle” (whatever the hell that means) you will not make nearly as much quality gains eating that rabbit food garden shit. Vegetables are good, don’t get me wrong, but animal flesh is the building block of a good solid physique.

Seriously rethink your vegetarian choice (are you just eating that way cause your parents eat that way?). Plus, I never understood how you can be vegetarian but still eat eggs. And for god’s sake, stop convincing yourself you don’t need to lift heavy ass weights yet. If I were you I’d drop the cardio and just start lifting heavy ass weights. Thats all the stimulation your body will need (will be able to handle).

I think the reason you are getting lots of shit is that you came in here with that horror of a picture asking for advice, yet you blow off anyone that gives you any good advice. I can’t believe someone told you to lift free weights and you told them you don’t need to. If you keep trying to lose weight at your size without attempting to pack on some quality muscle you are just gonna look even worse. You are 156 friggen pounds for god’s sake. Trust me, you aren’t going to get ripped before you do a clean bulk becuase you have nothing to get ripped on. You will just look like a starving refugee.

I’m a vegetarian and will always be… deal with it. You could write an entire book trying to convince me to eat meat; I won’t give two shits … building muscle is definately possible as a vegetarian. The only reason I got the fat around my stomach like this was because of bad eating habits (fast foods, etc), crash dieting, and lack of good nutritional knowledge; not because of my vegetarianism. I probably would have been 5x fatter if I was eating meat instead of vegetarian foods a few years back.

Also, why don’t people speak badly of the V-diet, yet always love to shit on vegetarians?

I’m already lifting heavy as I can for now (doing 3 sets of 8-10 at the highest weight I can)… just on machines for this week. Also, I think I’ll stick with my cardio. You obviously don’t know how effective HIIT is for fat loss while still preserving muscle.

I didn’t blow anyone off… some of you guys are the ones giving me shit about being a vegetarian. I was simply saying that weight machines would still help me lose fat…obviously free weights are superior in every form, but the machines are still effective. Anyways, I’m going to mix the two up starting next week. (currently looking through routines on this site and others).

I think this thread has been helpful more than anything.

Also, I’m not trying to get ‘ripped’…I just want to preserve the little muscle I still have while gaining maybe a few pounds of muscle, and dropping the extra fat around my stomach. I’m not going to bulk yet; it’s not my current goal… first lose the fat, then bulk… got it?

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the V-Diet is short term, vegetarian is typically a long term decision.

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
A huge amount of the junk is in the form of fried bad cuts of meat. The kinds of meat people eat mainly in countries with obesity problems present a huge part of the obesity.

Just like a high meat diet doesn’t cause obesity (if you have the right kind of meats, cooked in the right way), a vegetarian diet doesn’t mean a bad body. It’s down to each induvidual diet. Someone might have a diet where their meat choices are terribly bad for them, in the same way vegetarians can make bad choices and have a terrible diet (India, which has a large vegetarian community, has issues with poverty, and therefore the quality of their diet).

Starving Africans that eat nothing but meat from their herds still have a harmfull diet in the same way. Remember vegetarians have been shown to have a longer life span compared to non-vegetarians on average (though I’m not vegetarian on health reasons).[/quote]

Counting most fast food is meat. Take people who eat a healthy non vegitarian diet ad I’d be suprised if the vegetarians still lived longer.

definately some more improvement in the stomach area…

I’m having around 2400 calories a day and getting about

260 grams of protein/ 160 grams of carbs/70 grams of fat.