Skinny Fat Hormones

Nutrition
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
As long as you can handle it, I think its a very good supplement.

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And therein lies the key. IME not many people can handle it, sorry.

As a reslut, I always recommend staying away from milk, cream, cheese.

I was reflecting over your first post in this thread and your scornful dismissal of the kids’ possible issues.

It seems similar to what a doctor would say to most males upon hearing their concerns about being hypogonadal. “Get outta here, with your psychosomatic bullshit, you don’t need T, I mean just look at you, you big chunk of meat!”.

And surely you of all people are sympathetic to that plight :wink:

BBB[/quote]

The scornful part of my dismissal was a result of him being a huge douche to the first guy that offered help in the thread.

The dismaissal part was a result of he not presenting absolutely any evidence that he has a hormone issue. He has done no blood tests, has had no biosig panel done (for what that would be worth), and has posted no pictures. He hasn’t complained about poor libido, fatigue, depression, high/low blood pressure. All we have to go on is that he once read an article somewhere that some people might have issues with being skinny fat as a result of a hormonal deficiency. Not a very solid base to work on IMO.

And he even says he is only 150 pounds with weak lifts after 3 years of training. It looks to me like he just isn’t working hard in the gym and looking for a reason why he doesnt yet look like Arnold.

Regarding milk, I believe that approximately 70% of western europeans and their spawn are thought to have the lactace enzyme and are able to handle milk. It does a body good! haha

My advice was really to eat more like a grownup and lift heavy things. I don’t think you could argue that his diet is very conducive to his goals!

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BBB[/quote]

The scornful part of my dismissal was a result of him being a huge douche to the first guy that offered help in the thread.

The dismaissal part was a result of he not presenting absolutely any evidence that he has a hormone issue. He has done no blood tests, has had no biosig panel done (for what that would be worth), and has posted no pictures. He hasn’t complained about poor libido, fatigue, depression, high/low blood pressure. All we have to go on is that he once read an article somewhere that some people might have issues with being skinny fat as a result of a hormonal deficiency. Not a very solid base to work on IMO.

And he even says he is only 150 pounds with weak lifts after 3 years of training. It looks to me like he just isn’t working hard in the gym and looking for a reason why he doesnt yet look like Arnold.

Regarding milk, I believe that approximately 70% of western europeans and their spawn are thought to have the lactace enzyme and are able to handle milk. It does a body good! haha

My advice was really to eat more like a grownup and lift heavy things. I don’t think you could argue that his diet is very conducive to his goals!
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Honestly I’d have to agree. After 5 years of training doing all types of splits and every type of supplement and eating super clean, I finally just said “fuck it” and stopped worrying about the little stuff. Thats when I finally blew up and put some real size and strength on.

This guy will not still be small when he has a 400lbs squat, a 300lbs bench, a 500DL, and a 225lbs bent over row. In fact, I really think the skinny fat problem will go away entirely just by trying to get stronger. The efforts towards trying to get those big lifts will make him blow up, and I still think he could get those noob effects from training if he got going on starting strength or even WSFSB

As far as diet, not sure if I agree with the GOMAD. I’ve seen it work for some people, but for most of my meathead friends it just gives us gas. I figure if he can just eat “grown up foods” and eat as much as he can (so long as its supporting a difficult strength/building program, he should be fine. I find that at first you start to gain alot of fat and bloat, but after that your body starts to handle it and you can lean out so long as you do some type of calorie-burning training (complexes/strongman)

my .02

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Regarding milk, I believe that approximately 70% of western europeans and their spawn are thought to have the lactace enzyme and are able to handle milk. It does a body good! haha[/quote]

And 100% of your local drug stores carry some sort of lactase product for those who are intolerant.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

lactose is a pretty shitty carb for one…[/quote]

I await your second point with bated breath! Or was that it?
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well IMO there’s nothing so bad about a gallon of milk.

but a gallon of milk day after day, after day is another story.

i dont argue against that its good for putting size on but i do think there are better ways

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

lactose is a pretty shitty carb for one…[/quote]

I await your second point with bated breath! Or was that it?
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well IMO there’s nothing so bad about a gallon of milk.

but a gallon of milk day after day, after day is another story.

i dont argue against that its good for putting size on but i do think there are better ways[/quote]

A quart of milk after you work out is pretty reasonable, tastes good too.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
The scornful part of my dismissal was a result of him being a huge douche to the first guy that offered help in the thread.

The dismaissal part was a result of he not presenting absolutely any evidence that he has a hormone issue. He has done no blood tests, has had no biosig panel done (for what that would be worth), and has posted no pictures. He hasn’t complained about poor libido, fatigue, depression, high/low blood pressure. All we have to go on is that he once read an article somewhere that some people might have issues with being skinny fat as a result of a hormonal deficiency. Not a very solid base to work on IMO.

And he even says he is only 150 pounds with weak lifts after 3 years of training. It looks to me like he just isn’t working hard in the gym and looking for a reason why he doesnt yet look like Arnold.

Regarding milk, I believe that approximately 70% of western europeans and their spawn are thought to have the lactace enzyme and are able to handle milk. It does a body good! haha

My advice was really to eat more like a grownup and lift heavy things. I don’t think you could argue that his diet is very conducive to his goals!
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Just returned to see that indeed this thread has blown up. If the first responder is going to come over in a fairly aggressive and rude way, then i think he can stand up for himself. I think anyone has a right to say what they want, as we both did. You too have your thoughts about me, so no problems there either.

As for milk, that was one of the first things i added to my diet, drinking an extra pint or two a day to start. That was until i found after a few months my stomach cramped the moment i drank it, so i dropped it. Having seen theres lactaid tablets or whatever, i may look at that to ease things, i didnt know they existed.

As for looking for reasons why im not bigger, thats not the case, covered all that with SSC on the first page. Im well aware my lifts are lower than the other guys in the gym, I see it most times, and as you say diet isnt 100% although it has volume. But that wasnt the question i first posed, i simply wanted to know what, if any, these hormones might be and how they were dealt with. thats all the question was. For some reason the thread turned into some massive attack from post 1. BBB was the first guy to actually answer the original question

poor libido, fatigue, depression, high/low blood pressure - funny you should mention all of those… I didnt mention them as didnt think / realise they were involved. Yes got them all, low pressure by the way. Regardless of all that though, and whatever my bodyshape happens to be, I actually enjoy going to the gym. I enjoy lifting and pressing weights. I enjoy setting goals and gradually increasing these lifts. I’m not looking to step on stage, i’m enjoying the benefits of the strength gains i’ve had, and i’ve had my beginner 25 pound gain which is a bonus. More size would be great, i’m aware the only limit on that is myself.

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[quote]themanchild wrote:
This guy will not still be small when he has a 400lbs squat, a 300lbs bench, a 500DL, and a 225lbs bent over row. In fact, I really think the skinny fat problem will go away entirely just by trying to get stronger. The efforts towards trying to get those big lifts will make him blow up, and I still think he could get those noob effects from training if he got going on starting strength or even WSFSB
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I agree, had those figures as a long term goal since starting. On a side note though, theres a competitive powerlifter in our gym has those figures, but is under 75kg in bodyweight, and looks about the same size as me! i presume he deliberately keeps his weight low though to stay in the right class…

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[quote]gottem wrote:
Don’t know if you ever found the information you were looking for but here is the article I think you were talking about:

I would figure out your diet and training and make sure that you are seeing some decent gains before really supplementing anything unless you have a lot of money to spend. What you eat is the more important and supplements are just as the name implies, a supplement, not to replace whole foods.[/quote]

Haha! If only i’d seen that before… No wasnt the article at all, but it does explain things very simply. Thanks for looking that up, i’ve read loads of articles here over the years, but never seem to have caught that one. And yes i agree, supplements are just extra, the only thing i use is protein powder just to raise intake. I’m not rushing out to buy magic pills, i was seeing what was what in case i should change something or if i was to buy something in the future

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Well mate, given the added information I apologize for leaning the opposite way in my posts…it does sound like you have potential for a hormone issue and at your age (33?) you are getting close to when more doctors (at least in the US) start accepting hormone issues.

You have a LOT of reading to do as most doctors are bloody idiots when it comes to male endocrinology (i hear this is especially true in the UK) so you must become a master of your own condition. Check out the TRT forum here and post if you feel so inclined. Read stickies first.

Good luck man.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Well mate, given the added information I apologize for leaning the opposite way in my posts…it does sound like you have potential for a hormone issue and at your age (33?) you are getting close to when more doctors (at least in the US) start accepting hormone issues.

You have a LOT of reading to do as most doctors are bloody idiots when it comes to male endocrinology (i hear this is especially true in the UK) so you must become a master of your own condition. Check out the TRT forum here and post if you feel so inclined. Read stickies first.

Good luck man.[/quote]

Cheers mate. Yeah tell me about it, I feel quite jealous of those in the US who can just go and request “blood work”, none of my doctors, GPs have heard of anyone asking. I tried to get my T levels checked once, on the grounds of constant fatigue. You ask for a blood test and you get a “im the doctor here” look, and get told to drink water and sleep. I did get one in the end, to be told, its normal. But what figures does it show? slight smile - normal. ah, thanks. and that was that.

I prefer not to dwell on it too much to be honest, and just do the eat and lift thing. But theres one or two directions to take from here for more reading. I am curious though if SSRI medication has side effects with training, ive had a few effects from it, but apart from a lack of energy while on them i’ve not thought about training or recovery effects. I dont know if thats on another thread already anywhere though.

EDIT - you’re not kidding theres a lot of reading, never been in the TRT forum before…