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[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]You�¢??re right, Forrest and many others in MMA don�¢??t kick properly in order to keep their distance or avoid being caught. The problem is right there in itself. They have not developed their kicking to a level where they can execute them and they be effective. It�¢??s not just about throwing a kick for the sake of kicking. That is wasted technique and more importantly, wasted energy where every bit matters. Sure, for Forrest a guy with a huge gas tank, it may not be an issue but part of the reason he has a huge gas tank is he does not commit his body to his movements. If you only kick at 30%, you�¢??re never going to exhaust your atp supply or tap into the danger zone of your lactic acid threshold. Consequently you will never develop the fitness to deliver 100% power through 5 rounds. Of course, that percentage of your absolute power decreases proportionally round by round but none the less, you throw 100% every punch and kick and commit to the kick/punch, take down etc.
MMa has become too robotic, following the motions and itÃ?¢??s only the elite guys, the champions who donÃ?¢??t follow this robotic style. ThatÃ?¢??s why theyÃ?¢??re champions. Forrest was a convenient champion… the time for him to be one was just convenient, his abilities were not and will never be the calibre of true champions if he doesnÃ?¢??t at one point or another change his approach. [/quote]

Silva does this as well, but nevermind.

  1. It’s more than about gassing. You mentioned Pedro Rizzo, but the guy was fighting at HW when the division didn’t come close to the standard of modern LW, WW, even HW. One thing that is obvious watching the Alves GSP fight is the fact that Alves got taken down primarily off attempted leg kicks. Throwing a good leg kick has it’s disadvantages, especially when you’re up against someone who can and has timed them (Franklin does this). I understand what you’re saying but the issue you raised has already been explained… shitty leg kicks serve as a ‘leg jab’.

  2. GSP has gone on record saying it was Firas and company that came up with his gameplan vs Koscheck. No doubt the time with Roach helped, but let’s be real… you’re not going to improve leaps and bounds in two weeks. Nitpicking here.

  3. Edgar looks pretty ‘robotic’ to me. His style is cookie cutter taken to the extreme. Box, takedown, pound, repeat. There are also a lot of failed fighters that aren’t ‘robotic’, are fairly creative, and who have failed to achieve the kind of success Shogun, GSP etc. have.

  4. I agree with your assessment of Forrest except for that last part. His fight against Rich was the first time in a long time I’ve seen him utilize a smart and effective gameplan.[/quote]

Most fighters with a strict game plan look robotic.

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[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:

He broke a reporter’s femur (hey, answers your question). He’s also been training for more than 10 years so I think it’s safe to say he knows his stuff.
Like Big B said, Forrest, and many others kick that way to keep distance. It’s a jab with the foot. Belfort did the same last night against Silva.
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I already mentioned that using this as a defense in his kicking ability is not acceptable.

  1. The reporter is a layman.
  2. He has no idea on how to absorb or take a kick
  3. He has zilch experience on taking a kick or being conditioned to take a kick
  4. He stood there whilst Forrest loaded up
  5. It was a hairline fracture, not a break.

So I’m sorry, it doesn’t answer my question. He knows the technique in idle situations or in kicking bags and pads but I largely don’t see any ability to execute a kick with confidence and effectiveness.
You’re right, Forrest and many others in MMA don’t kick properly in order to keep their distance or avoid being caught. The problem is right there in itself. They have not developed their kicking to a level where they can execute them and they be effective. It’s not just about throwing a kick for the sake of kicking.

That is wasted technique and more importantly, wasted energy where every bit matters. Sure, for Forrest a guy with a huge gas tank, it may not be an issue but part of the reason he has a huge gas tank is he does not commit his body to his movements. If you only kick at 30%, you’re never going to exhaust your atp supply or tap into the danger zone of your lactic acid threshold.

Consequently you will never develop the fitness to deliver 100% power through 5 rounds. Of course, that percentage of your absolute power decreases proportionally round by round but none the less, you throw 100% every punch and kick and commit to the kick/punch, take down etc.

MMa has become too robotic, following the motions and it’s only the elite guys, the champions who don’t follow this robotic style. That’s why they’re champions. Forrest was a convenient champion… the time for him to be one was just convenient, his abilities were not and will never be the caliber of true champions if he doesn’t at one point or another change his approach.

I love the guy as a person, I think he is hilarious and humble and also very educated and I like how he downplays himself but despite having some ability he is no where near great or at the level he could be if he developed cold mongrel like power and commitment in his style. The dutch style power where everything is 100%. Thai’s as lazy as they are, wait for the moment and they then unload. I don’t see any unloading by Forrest. He’s just a guy to keep a fight chugging along, like a medium level sparring session.

[quote] Amiright wrote:
I’d just like to point out you’ve danced around his entire post and didn’t respond to a single point he made and only focus on the minimal use of insults compared to what there could have been when responding to a person like you in this thread. Obvious troll is obvious.
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You are more than correct. I did not feel it warranted any response from me because I didn’t agree with most of it. I hope that answers your question but thanks for pointing out the obvious. I did feel though that discussions were just being thrown around and measure by the amount one can swear, abused and be vulgar.
Why does that have to happen? It’s really petty and doesn’t show any counter argument.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Rather intentionally or not,Forrest does reach with a lot of kicks…lots of MMA fighters do. Hell,a good percentage of them just have what could be argued as crappy technique. But with nature of MMA(takedowns,wrestlers,etc), there is some justification in that. It works…for MMA.

I think humble is “technique-biased” from a Muay Thai/kickboxing standpoint. I find myself doing the same at times. I’m sure being around lots of Thai fighters and being one himself will do that. Can’t say I fault him for that. He is far from a troll. I don’t agree with everything he’s stated…but hey,its a forum. He had an opinion and voiced it.

In fact,I would like to hear from him about any recent trips to Thailand…particularly Tiger Muay Thai.
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I appreciate your response and mannerisms.
As mentioned in the response to the first post above, I still think the problem with many MMAers is 1. that they are consumed by fear (of throwing the kick and being caught) and 2. They just don’t know how to timely execute a kick and thus haphazardly throw them without any thought, just for the sake of throwing them.

The kicking is not deliberate; it is just robotic execution of poor technique because like a cue they remember it. Too many fighters, not only MMA fighters do this. It is a waste really. Remember Pedro Rizzo? His technique in kicking was excellent and he used it in MMA with excellence. He still does. He destroyed Shamrock (yeh he’s a has been and never knew a thing about kicking anyway) with leg kicks last year here in Australia.

I was ringside for that and he still has the resonating thud accompanied by full commitment to the kick he always had. Shamrock is an experienced MMA fighter but timed well and with precision, Pedro only had to throw a few before it wasted him.

New rising star Bardoza (spelling?) is the same. They throw kicking technique flawlessly in MMA. It’s about timing it and finding the moment but still committing to it. Forrest et al just don’t do it.
I do base my kicking analysis on Muay Thai style kicking because that is my primary background but I was also taught initially by a traditional Kung Fu stylist and also a Tae Kwon Do Stylist before I moved to Muay Thai and boxing. I’m not an infant to fight sports at all and know the differences with kicking styles but for the purpose of MMA, for the purpose of any realistic fight style, Muay Thai trumps all kicking wise.

We bring Thai’s out here, I don’t travel to Thailand. My approach is more dutch style than thai style and I am of the belief that many people mistakenly stroke their ego’s traveling there to lay claim that they actually did something worthwhile.

Thailand doesn’t make you a fighter or a kicker, it does put stamps on your passport though.
Check out Jake Shields in Thailand… horrendous. Mike Swift in Thailand… a joke. Gurgel in Thailand, another joke. Silva and the nog camp aren’t in Thailand. The dutch gyms like Cor Hemmers gym or Chakuriki have some of the most devastating Muay Thai fighters… they don’t live and breathe nor train in Thailand but plenty of their fighters have destroyed Thai’s, the most decorated Kaman and Dekker to name two nobles.

My point being is I am of the same philosophical mindset, Thai does not make a fighter. Too many mma fighters now days say ‘My Muay Thai coach’ this and that when in actual fact it is just a pad holder who holds thai arm pads and scream oowaay. Lol. Where are the purists, the real trainers in Muay thai training champions? They’re not in MMA gyms that’s for sure. Just like MMA fighters claiming they have boxing coaches who are much the same, guys who hold hand mitts.

But what happens when a fighter spends a little time with a Freddie Roach to loosen up his hands? Well you get a 5 round fight dominated by one single punch! The most basic punch in stand up. The Jab! Too many people are not purifying their stand up to this degree and MMA/UFC shows for it. It looks lackluster but just because two people stand up and bang, they’re dubbed great stand up fighters. That’s just not true.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Ive trained with and been around a lot of people who compete and train others for half a decade now and followed the sport religiously since i was a kid. I speak with some authority on such things. you coming on here and dubbing yourself a pro fighter doesn’t mean shit to me or anyone else, so don’t act like you’re the authority on mma around these parts. In fact, from some of the stupid shit you’ve been spouting, i have to seriously doubt the validity of your claims.

And if you wanna speak solely on his footwork in the Sonnen fight, fine. Maybe his footwork shouldnt be too affected by a rib injury (no one can say except Anderson) but im sure defending take downs becomes more difficult. Besides, as much as i myself dislike Sonnen, you arent giving him enough credit. Hell, Marquardt took down a healthy Anderson and Sonnen completely outgrappled him.
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Well, if you want to talk numbers I’m a year away from two decades so does that make me double as experienced as you are? Perhaps, or perhaps not. It’s irrelevant and I also have a bachelors degree in exercise and Sports science to add to that, much of which involves analysis of human movement. Perhaps it means shit to you as you say and I may not be an MMA authority at all but human movement is human movement.

My background is kicking, punching, stand up clinching and grappling not to mention elbows and kneeing and I only spoke about Forrest’s kicking, not his throws, take downs or whatever.
I didn’t say anything about Silva still having the ability to defend take downs but his footwork is so impressive he could easily evade anything Sonnen charged at him with with that alone.

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

In tone with this, I don’t see a lot of really good muay thai guys in MMA, Silva got that kick because regardless what vitor thinks of himself he is a boxer. Any one who trains and spares with technical muay thai fighters would have seen the kick.

I think that is most of my criticalness of silva, From a pure stand up perspective I don’t see him as being that dominant, but you through in the rest of it, takedowns, wrestling submissions and he is the best striker in MMA.

just my take though.[/quote]

Silva is not a great muay thai stylist but he is leaps and bounds above anyone else in the UFC currently and he knows how to use it in there. His timing and execution is excellent and his technique is also very good. Vitor is not a boxer. He was dubbed a ‘boxer’ because in the 90’s that’s what they did. Tank Abbot was dubbed what??? A ‘Pit fighter’ lmao. Then he was dubbed a ‘bar fighter’, funny enough two names he went on record to refute when interviewed during a show. They just threw these names around for hype.

Vitor’s stuck and he didn’t challenge it. At that time, Vitor was dubbed a boxer. He was heralded as always wishing to become a boxer. Watch his pathetic footwork, watch his pathetic punching style… he is in no way on earth a boxer. Perhaps a guy who likes to punch, can bum rush someone with punches and is fast and aggressive but a boxer (even amateur) he is not. This is pure insult to the sport of boxing.
It seems as though everyone just regurgitates what they hear from commentators and reporters and does no analysis of the fighter’s actual techniques.

This shows two things, one that they are just parroting oft repeated lines and two, they have no experience with which to base their analysis objectively on.

Silva was the perfect skill set to expose Vitor and it would have ended just as devastatingly in any round with a myriad of other techniques. Being aggressive can only get you so far. Being young and angry can only get you so far. Being on the gear and raging it with little care factor can only get you so far.

Eventually, you face a calm, complete and resolute person who isn’t fazed by the hullabaloo around them, take what you have and destroy your spirit systematically. Vitor’s spirit was destroyed before he entered the octagon in that fight as he knew well that he was a punching bag at the nog gym.
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If you’re looking to watch a high level kickboxing match, watch kickboxing, if you wanna see a good MMA fight, watch MMA. You cant constantly sit here and compare all these fighters like Silva and Forrest to strict Muay Thai or Kickboxing guys or you’ll never develop a true appreciation for the MMA skills they have. Bottom line is the root of this debate all stems from you saying that any Muay Thai guy would have seen that front kick coming, but if you actually put a Muay Thai fighter in an MMA fight with a decent level mixed martial artists there is 100 other things an MMA fighter can do that a Muay Thai guy wont see coming.

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Whilst this is true, this is not the gist of my argument. I said that the front kick is the most basic stand up kick and Vitor, touted as a stand up guy/striker did not see it. At his level (supposed level anyway) you don’t have to be top tier Muay Thai or kickboxing to see such a kick. My gripe is that their is way too much hyper marketing of these guys and only a few deserve it. MMA is not getting taken seriously as a ‘sport’ because it is only the brand UFC being promoted, not MMA.

I enjoy watching some MMA but I do enjoy watching someone like Silva who can put together all aspects beautifully and make MMA live up to it’s name. Someone like GSP, like Fedor, like these guys not just living of a hype wheel but actually being true mixed martial artists.

If it is mixed martial arts there has to be a very decent level of knowledge and understanding across the arts would you not agree? Getting caught with a simple front kick is really low level knowledge and understanding and the BS claiming Vitor is that great, is just ridiculous.

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[quote]humble wrote:
I enjoy watching some MMA but I do enjoy watching someone like Silva who can put together all aspects beautifully and make MMA live up to it’s name. Someone like GSP, like Fedor, like these guys not just living of a hype wheel but actually being true mixed martial artists.

If it is mixed martial arts there has to be a very decent level of knowledge and understanding across the arts would you not agree? Getting caught with a simple front kick is really low level knowledge and understanding and the BS claiming Vitor is that great, is just ridiculous. [/quote]

I think that the assumption that front kicks are basic/don’t work in MMA also is a factor in this case. It is possible Vitor hasn’t had a front kick thrown at him by anyone close to his skill level for some time. I don’t think it would take much work for either of us to dig up authorities who will say “front kicks don’t/won’t work” or “only throw front kicks as a push and keep them low”. Outside of Schilt I can’t think of many kickboxers that use them at a high level. Vitor may have been training on how to check low, high, and middle round kicks almost exclusively, since that is what “works”. He may have also been expecting something more advanced and out thought himself. Enter the basic kick and a chin check.

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[quote]humble wrote:
Whilst this is true, this is not the gist of my argument. I said that the front kick is the most basic stand up kick and Vitor, touted as a stand up guy/striker did not see it. At his level (supposed level anyway) you don’t have to be top tier Muay Thai or kickboxing to see such a kick. My gripe is that their is way too much hyper marketing of these guys and only a few deserve it. MMA is not getting taken seriously as a ‘sport’ because it is only the brand UFC being promoted, not MMA.

I enjoy watching some MMA but I do enjoy watching someone like Silva who can put together all aspects beautifully and make MMA live up to it’s name. Someone like GSP, like Fedor, like these guys not just living of a hype wheel but actually being true mixed martial artists.

If it is mixed martial arts there has to be a very decent level of knowledge and understanding across the arts would you not agree? Getting caught with a simple front kick is really low level knowledge and understanding and the BS claiming Vitor is that great, is just ridiculous. [/quote]
fuck off

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All of these arguments about the kick mean absolutely zero. Maybe Silva is a better fighter, maybe Vitor should have caught it, maybe a chick in the front row flashed Vitor and he was staring at tits instead of Silva’s leg. Combat sports provide a relatively easy way of finding the better fighter (hint, its not the guy who ends up seeing stars). Silva won, Vitor lost, and debating how much hype goes into the fight, or whether the planetary alignment of Jupiter and Mars caused Silva’s leg to land on Vitor’s face is completely useless speculation, and left to idiots and gamblers.

My question now is, who is next for Silva. I’ve heard GSP mentioned, but I’m not so certain GSP would be up for that fight, and there remains the question of which weight do they meet at. If it actually goes down, my bet is for Silva to come down to welterweight, just for the insane amount of hype the threat of him owning two belts would create. Also, didn’t Silva talk about retirement either this year or next, or is my memory foggy?

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

fuck off [/quote]
Looks like you have already with your inability to reply with anything else.

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I recall at somepoint silva saying he was considering retirement soon as well.

GSP vs Silva is what the fans want, I’m sure that’ll bring in plenty of money for everyone involved so I cant see it not going ahead at some point - unless silva cant be bothered and wants to retire early. Or if GSP doesnt want to go up in weight.

Dont think anyone else has the tools to take down silva, except GSP. Even then I can see him getting caught trying to engage silva.

… Segal vs Silva ftw lol

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I think GSP could take him. It’d be a VERY tough fight to call though, since GSP has yet to fight anyone with the length, size, dynamism and striking ability possessed by Silva.

If the fight were to happen, I think Georges would figure a way to take Silva down (he has with everyone else), and could very well do damage on the ground. The question is whether he can keep Silva, a BJJ black belt who’s shown some great acumen off his back, down. The length will factor in on the floor too, as will Silva’s weight, and I assume, strength advantage. I’ll be picking Georges just for the heck of it.

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He was surprised by a strike. It happens all the time. Most of these guys are fighters, not artists. The dudes that train for the art of it seldom make fighting a career.

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If you look closely at the physicality of a GSP/Silva match it makes no sense at all. GSP is 5’ 10" and Silva 6’ 2". Look at the bone structure each is fair to good size for their weight. The only chance that GSP has is if they fight at a catch weight below what Silva is used to fighting at. Then GSP will be the guy who is able to eat and train without sucking any weight and Silva will be in a position to have to drop additional weight beyond the 185lbs. Other than that GSP has absolutely no chance of beating Silva. And GSP is one of my favorite fighters and Silva is going away my least favorite, but facts are facts.

GSP will have a very hard time taking him down and then actually holding him down. And GSP has ZERO chance in a striking war based on reach alone. This fight is one of the most stupid match ups of all time. Fans want to see it because many of them don’t really understand mma. But I’m sure GSP will jump to take the fight based on what Dana White has promised to pay him. I heard it was in the neighborhood of 3 million (sure that could be bull).

If this is true which one of us would not take a beating for 3 million?

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Any pics of Sylvia and GSP together?

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[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Rather intentionally or not,Forrest does reach with a lot of kicks…lots of MMA fighters do. Hell,a good percentage of them just have what could be argued as crappy technique. But with nature of MMA(takedowns,wrestlers,etc), there is some justification in that. It works…for MMA.

I think humble is “technique-biased” from a Muay Thai/kickboxing standpoint. I find myself doing the same at times. I’m sure being around lots of Thai fighters and being one himself will do that. Can’t say I fault him for that. He is far from a troll. I don’t agree with everything he’s stated…but hey,its a forum. He had an opinion and voiced it.

In fact,I would like to hear from him about any recent trips to Thailand…particularly Tiger Muay Thai.
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I appreciate your response and mannerisms.
As mentioned in the response to the first post above, I still think the problem with many MMAers is 1. that they are consumed by fear (of throwing the kick and being caught) and 2. They just don’t know how to timely execute a kick and thus haphazardly throw them without any thought, just for the sake of throwing them.

The kicking is not deliberate; it is just robotic execution of poor technique because like a cue they remember it. Too many fighters, not only MMA fighters do this. It is a waste really. Remember Pedro Rizzo? His technique in kicking was excellent and he used it in MMA with excellence. He still does. He destroyed Shamrock (yeh he’s a has been and never knew a thing about kicking anyway) with leg kicks last year here in Australia.

I was ringside for that and he still has the resonating thud accompanied by full commitment to the kick he always had. Shamrock is an experienced MMA fighter but timed well and with precision, Pedro only had to throw a few before it wasted him.

New rising star Bardoza (spelling?) is the same. They throw kicking technique flawlessly in MMA. It’s about timing it and finding the moment but still committing to it. Forrest et al just don’t do it.
I do base my kicking analysis on Muay Thai style kicking because that is my primary background but I was also taught initially by a traditional Kung Fu stylist and also a Tae Kwon Do Stylist before I moved to Muay Thai and boxing. I’m not an infant to fight sports at all and know the differences with kicking styles but for the purpose of MMA, for the purpose of any realistic fight style, Muay Thai trumps all kicking wise.

We bring Thai’s out here, I don’t travel to Thailand. My approach is more dutch style than thai style and I am of the belief that many people mistakenly stroke their ego’s traveling there to lay claim that they actually did something worthwhile.

Thailand doesn’t make you a fighter or a kicker, it does put stamps on your passport though.
Check out Jake Shields in Thailand… horrendous. Mike Swift in Thailand… a joke. Gurgel in Thailand, another joke. Silva and the nog camp aren’t in Thailand. The dutch gyms like Cor Hemmers gym or Chakuriki have some of the most devastating Muay Thai fighters… they don’t live and breathe nor train in Thailand but plenty of their fighters have destroyed Thai’s, the most decorated Kaman and Dekker to name two nobles.

My point being is I am of the same philosophical mindset, Thai does not make a fighter. Too many mma fighters now days say ‘My Muay Thai coach’ this and that when in actual fact it is just a pad holder who holds thai arm pads and scream oowaay. Lol. Where are the purists, the real trainers in Muay thai training champions? They’re not in MMA gyms that’s for sure. Just like MMA fighters claiming they have boxing coaches who are much the same, guys who hold hand mitts.

But what happens when a fighter spends a little time with a Freddie Roach to loosen up his hands? Well you get a 5 round fight dominated by one single punch! The most basic punch in stand up. The Jab! Too many people are not purifying their stand up to this degree and MMA/UFC shows for it. It looks lackluster but just because two people stand up and bang, they’re dubbed great stand up fighters. That’s just not true.
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Whoa,son…lol. Didn’t mean to trigger a rant…lol. For most part I was making point that you were an experienced fighter…and far from a troll.

BUT I do agree with your assessments…oh it’s Barbosa. I’ve been waiting to see him in UFC for a while. Great kicks…and pure Muay Thai base.

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Oh…and speaking of which…and not to derail the thread anymore(if that’s possible…lol)…but Barbosa vs. Njokuani @ UFC 128. That just might be closest to a pure muay thai fight in the UFC.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh…and speaking of which…and not to derail the thread anymore(if that’s possible…lol)…[/quote]

Derail my thread? That happened about 20 posts ago I think. Ah…I don’t mind it’s karma for all the threads that I’ve derailed.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
If you look closely at the physicality of a GSP/Silva match it makes no sense at all. GSP is 5’ 10" and Silva 6’ 2". Look at the bone structure each is fair to good size for their weight. The only chance that GSP has is if they fight at a catch weight below what Silva is used to fighting at. Then GSP will be the guy who is able to eat and train without sucking any weight and Silva will be in a position to have to drop additional weight beyond the 185lbs. Other than that GSP has absolutely no chance of beating Silva. And GSP is one of my favorite fighters and Silva is going away my least favorite, but facts are facts.

GSP will have a very hard time taking him down and then actually holding him down. And GSP has ZERO chance in a striking war based on reach alone. This fight is one of the most stupid match ups of all time. Fans want to see it because many of them don’t really understand mma. But I’m sure GSP will jump to take the fight based on what Dana White has promised to pay him. I heard it was in the neighborhood of 3 million (sure that could be bull).

If this is true which one of us would not take a beating for 3 million?[/quote]

If you changed “no chance” and ZERO to VERY little I would aggree with this assessment. I think that GSP MIGHT be able to pull the same game Sonnen did, but not get caught…maybe…probably not…GSP should not take the fight. Fitch should get another shot at the 170 title because he is the legit number 2 in the division and I would like to see Bisbing get his shot at Silva. I don’t think either challenger has a great chance, but they deserve their shots.

I also want to see Pat Barry vs Kongo at HW if anyone cares.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh…and speaking of which…and not to derail the thread anymore(if that’s possible…lol)…but Barbosa vs. Njokuani @ UFC 128. That just might be closest to a pure muay thai fight in the UFC. [/quote]

That is something to look forward to, but it could/should turn into Barry vs Filopovic. Whomever has legit blue/purple belt jujutsu says “fuck getting hit, I might win standing, I will win on the ground” and goes for the takedown.

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humble, I enjoyed your posts about Dutch style kickboxing as opposed to the training done in Thailand. I’d be interested in hearing more about it.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
If you look closely at the physicality of a GSP/Silva match it makes no sense at all. GSP is 5’ 10" and Silva 6’ 2". Look at the bone structure each is fair to good size for their weight. The only chance that GSP has is if they fight at a catch weight below what Silva is used to fighting at. Then GSP will be the guy who is able to eat and train without sucking any weight and Silva will be in a position to have to drop additional weight beyond the 185lbs. Other than that GSP has absolutely no chance of beating Silva. And GSP is one of my favorite fighters and Silva is going away my least favorite, but facts are facts.

GSP will have a very hard time taking him down and then actually holding him down. And GSP has ZERO chance in a striking war based on reach alone. This fight is one of the most stupid match ups of all time. Fans want to see it because many of them don’t really understand mma. But I’m sure GSP will jump to take the fight based on what Dana White has promised to pay him. I heard it was in the neighborhood of 3 million (sure that could be bull).

If this is true which one of us would not take a beating for 3 million?[/quote]

Facts are facts? Based on this post, you’re the one who doesn’t understand MMA.

The fact that Silva is 6’2" and has a reach advantage won’t matter much when he spends the entire fight on his back. You’re delusional if you think GSP will have a “very hard time” taking Anderson down, he’s the best wrestler in MMA. If he wants you down, you’re getting taken down. Anderson has weak wrestling and the only shots he can stuff are the ones attempted by BJJ fighters that shoot with no set-up like Maia and Leites.

For every flashy strike Anderson lands, he throws plenty more that do nothing but put him in a vulnerable position. Against Vitor, Silva ended up slammed against the mat when they clinched up. You think he would have stood up as if that had never happened had he been fighting GSP? He wouldn’t, that would have been all GSP needed to take that round. There’s no reason at all to believe that GSP would be anything other than completely dominant over Silva.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

Whoa,son…lol. Didn’t mean to trigger a rant…lol. For most part I was making point that you were an experienced fighter…and far from a troll.

BUT I do agree with your assessments…oh it’s Barbosa. I’ve been waiting to see him in UFC for a while. Great kicks…and pure Muay Thai base.[/quote]

lol, yeh sorry, was a bit of a rant.

Bardosa will be very exciting I hope. I hope it will raise the expectation level for MMA followers and show them that you can effectively use Muay Thai in devastating fashion in MMA providing your footwork, timing and technique is near perfect.