Silva vs. Belfort

First off, i hope the retard who thinks Silva let Sonnen beat him up on purpose for almost 5 rounds is trolling and doesnt actually believe that.

However, you cant necessarily say that Sonnen exposed him because in all fairness to Silva, he had popped cartilage in his ribs and had been told not to fight by his doctors. As you could expect, having a rib injury probably makes wrestling, especially from the bottom,pretty difficult.

Henderson is twice the wrestler as Sonnen, look how that fight went with a healthy Silva

[quote]Sliver wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lol, look up maladu. a term brazilians love to use and apply. Sonnen is a chump, fought much lesser guys and got subbed many many times over and over.
Do your homework on him.[/quote]
Right after I get my dick out of your mothers ass.[/quote]
yeh charming. sign of your ability, knowledge but mostly your cowardice. Real tough.

audio, why on earth would I be trolling? Have you seriously analyzed the way Silva fights? Broken rib or not, you think he can’t out footwork the guy and get out of his way on take downs? If you seriously think slow and heavy sonnen’s wrestling is that bloody good, then you’re naive. As you and I already mentioned, he’s no where near as credentialed as Henderson and Silva made play time with him. Every one of Silva’s fights, his footwork is outstanding, his timing is impeccable. A broken rib is not enough to stop you from being able to move. He toyed with Sonnen to disrespect him even more… let him taste the victory until the end and then at will put him out. Sonnen is the most stubborn and boring fighter in MMA… been submitted infinity times by BJJ and he never learns. He has got nothing on anyone in the division let alone Silva.

youve obviously never had a rib injury. If you think a serious injury to your ribs isnt enough to limit mobility youre just plain ignorant. You can even see Silva in between rounds at some points during the fight walking back to his corner and pointing at his ribs.

I agree with you in that Silva could easily outmaneuver Sonnen on a good day, but i still think youre a retard if you believe thats how he wanted that fight to go.

heheheh, yes, Sonnen sucks because he lost to Forrest years ago, got judo tripped by one of the best BJJ guys to ever enter MMA, and got triangled by a BJJ black belt and P4P fighter. Hmmmm.

Sonnen’s victories over Nate, and Okami never existed, and both those guys suck as well because they got TKO’ed by said P4P fighter.

Impressive what you did there… now I hope you’re trolling, LOL.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
youve obviously never had a rib injury. If you think a serious injury to your ribs isnt enough to limit mobility youre just plain ignorant. You can even see Silva in between rounds at some points during the fight walking back to his corner and pointing at his ribs.

I agree with you in that Silva could easily outmaneuver Sonnen on a good day, but i still think youre a retard if you believe thats how he wanted that fight to go. [/quote]

Rib injury, sternum injuries, back injuries, torn acl, torn meniscus, faciotomy, two shin operations, I’ve had quite a few and know what hinders your footwork and/or wrestling. footwork and movement is not hindered. He stood like a duck for most of the fight. Watch it again or are you too brainwashed into believing sonnen is that good he could take anderson down at will with no fight put up by anderson? I am not doubting his ribs at all and perhaps it was the one thing to stop anderson from being able to perform at his best but i don’t for one second believe he is gonna be put on show like that by sonnen because of it. Especially by sonnen.

[quote]rundymc wrote:
heheheh, yes, Sonnen sucks because he lost to Forrest years ago, got judo tripped by one of the best BJJ guys to ever enter MMA, and got triangled by a BJJ black belt and P4P fighter. Hmmmm.

Sonnen’s victories over Nate, and Okami never existed, and both those guys suck as well because they got TKO’ed by said P4P fighter.

Impressive what you did there… now I hope you’re trolling, LOL.[/quote]

Lost to forrest years ago… yeh when forrest was much more lack luster yet sonnen was still an collegiate champion? maia one of the best? lmao… we saw what a mockery silva made of his supposed skills. literal mockery! hate the actions in the fight if you want, but he chumped him whilst playing. He got triangled by a good technician in Jeremy but by far one of the most unathletic slow fighters in the sport whilst he’s meant to be a wrestling phenom.
Give it a rest, he’s shit, has crap ground and lays and prays which is what he did to okami and nate. Other than those two (which are really overmarketed ufc’ers and not world stage fighters), who else of repute has he beaten?

2 problems with the Silva toying with Sonnen theory

  1. Why has he or anyone in his camp or manager or anyone even remotely connected to Silva ever mentioned this theory before? Not at the press conference, post fight interviews, nothing. Additionally, no commentator, analyst or MMA journalist has ever brought this up. Why is it that you are the only one coming forward or bringing up this supposedly obvious theory?

  2. That would have had to have been the best rope-a-dope/acting execution ever because he lost every round in dominating fashion, took considerable damage and left his comeback to the last possible second.

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
youve obviously never had a rib injury. If you think a serious injury to your ribs isnt enough to limit mobility youre just plain ignorant. You can even see Silva in between rounds at some points during the fight walking back to his corner and pointing at his ribs.

I agree with you in that Silva could easily outmaneuver Sonnen on a good day, but i still think youre a retard if you believe thats how he wanted that fight to go. [/quote]

Rib injury, sternum injuries, back injuries, torn acl, torn meniscus, faciotomy, two shin operations, I’ve had quite a few and know what hinders your footwork and/or wrestling. footwork and movement is not hindered. He stood like a duck for most of the fight. Watch it again or are you too brainwashed into believing sonnen is that good he could take anderson down at will with no fight put up by anderson? I am not doubting his ribs at all and perhaps it was the one thing to stop anderson from being able to perform at his best but i don’t for one second believe he is gonna be put on show like that by sonnen because of it. Especially by sonnen.

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Don’t forget brain injury.

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
youve obviously never had a rib injury. If you think a serious injury to your ribs isnt enough to limit mobility youre just plain ignorant. You can even see Silva in between rounds at some points during the fight walking back to his corner and pointing at his ribs.

I agree with you in that Silva could easily outmaneuver Sonnen on a good day, but i still think youre a retard if you believe thats how he wanted that fight to go. [/quote]

Rib injury, sternum injuries, back injuries, torn acl, torn meniscus, faciotomy, two shin operations, I’ve had quite a few and know what hinders your footwork and/or wrestling. footwork and movement is not hindered. He stood like a duck for most of the fight. Watch it again or are you too brainwashed into believing sonnen is that good he could take anderson down at will with no fight put up by anderson? I am not doubting his ribs at all and perhaps it was the one thing to stop anderson from being able to perform at his best but i don’t for one second believe he is gonna be put on show like that by sonnen because of it. Especially by sonnen.

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So you dont think that with severely injured ribs, your ability to pivot on your hips and throw up submissions isnt going to be hampered? Im not brainwashed at all into thinking Sonnen is that good, in fact i think he pretty much got lucky in the Silva fight because of A) the one decent lucky punch standing he landed in the first part of the fight that just happened to daze Silva, and B) Silva came into that fight not 100%. Do i think Silva would toy with him in a second fight? yes. Do i think 4 out of 5 times Marquardt or Okami should be able to beat Sonnen? yes. But you have to be the most nut-hugging fan ive ever met to think that Silva wanted the fight to go down like that. By the way, nothing a fighter has ever done outside of MMA matters two shits when we’re talking about MMA. just cause at the time Sonnen fought forest he was a wrestling star and Forest was an MMA newb, doesnt mean Sonnen was a great fighter yet. Look at what Jon Jones did prior to fighting MMA, he was a junior college champion, that doesnt mean shit in collegiate wrestling. Now he dominates world class wrestlers every fight. Look at GSP, the guy never wrestled competitively in his life, and now hes the best wrestler at WW. All that matters is what you do in MMA, not anywhere else.

Talk about complete ignorance.

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
youve obviously never had a rib injury. If you think a serious injury to your ribs isnt enough to limit mobility youre just plain ignorant. You can even see Silva in between rounds at some points during the fight walking back to his corner and pointing at his ribs.

I agree with you in that Silva could easily outmaneuver Sonnen on a good day, but i still think youre a retard if you believe thats how he wanted that fight to go. [/quote]

Rib injury, sternum injuries, back injuries, torn acl, torn meniscus, faciotomy, two shin operations, I’ve had quite a few and know what hinders your footwork and/or wrestling. footwork and movement is not hindered. He stood like a duck for most of the fight. Watch it again or are you too brainwashed into believing sonnen is that good he could take anderson down at will with no fight put up by anderson? I am not doubting his ribs at all and perhaps it was the one thing to stop anderson from being able to perform at his best but i don’t for one second believe he is gonna be put on show like that by sonnen because of it. Especially by sonnen.

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Don’t forget brain injury.[/quote]

With a brain injury as serious as his, you cant expect him to remember to list all of these things.

[quote]OneMoreRep wrote:
2 problems with the Silva toying with Sonnen theory

  1. Why has he or anyone in his camp or manager or anyone even remotely connected to Silva ever mentioned this theory before? Not at the press conference, post fight interviews, nothing. Additionally, no commentator, analyst or MMA journalist has ever brought this up. Why is it that you are the only one coming forward or bringing up this supposedly obvious theory?

  2. That would have had to have been the best rope-a-dope/acting execution ever because he lost every round in dominating fashion, took considerable damage and left his comeback to the last possible second. [/quote]
    While I wouldn’t say “TOY” Anderson did

Wore a gi into the octagon, something he had never done before.
Said he wanted to submit Sonnen for the Nog bros.
He also humiliated Travis Lutter in similar fashion because he felt insulted that Lutter did not make weight.

Lastly he had a rib injury.

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]OneMoreRep wrote:
2 problems with the Silva toying with Sonnen theory

  1. Why has he or anyone in his camp or manager or anyone even remotely connected to Silva ever mentioned this theory before? Not at the press conference, post fight interviews, nothing. Additionally, no commentator, analyst or MMA journalist has ever brought this up. Why is it that you are the only one coming forward or bringing up this supposedly obvious theory?

  2. That would have had to have been the best rope-a-dope/acting execution ever because he lost every round in dominating fashion, took considerable damage and left his comeback to the last possible second. [/quote]
    While I wouldn’t say “TOY” Anderson did

Wore a gi into the octagon, something he had never done before.
Said he wanted to submit Sonnen for the Nog bros.
He also humiliated Travis Lutter in similar fashion because he felt insulted that Lutter did not make weight.

Lastly he had a rib injury.
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All of that is true, and i do believe he did want to submit Sonnen, just not like that.

i think with the ease with which he threw up that triangle that he could have subbed sonnen at any time were it not for the rib injury. Sonnen’s notorious for leaving his arms out there and he was begging for an armbar the whole fight. I think the rib injury probably made it difficult to pivot his body to set up the armbar and compress his core like that though. The way he executed that triangle seemed like it would be much easier on his injury.

Anderson would put Sonnen away within 2 rounds in a rematch.

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]OneMoreRep wrote:
2 problems with the Silva toying with Sonnen theory

  1. Why has he or anyone in his camp or manager or anyone even remotely connected to Silva ever mentioned this theory before? Not at the press conference, post fight interviews, nothing. Additionally, no commentator, analyst or MMA journalist has ever brought this up. Why is it that you are the only one coming forward or bringing up this supposedly obvious theory?

  2. That would have had to have been the best rope-a-dope/acting execution ever because he lost every round in dominating fashion, took considerable damage and left his comeback to the last possible second. [/quote]
    While I wouldn’t say “TOY” Anderson did

Wore a gi into the octagon, something he had never done before.
Said he wanted to submit Sonnen for the Nog bros.
He also humiliated Travis Lutter in similar fashion because he felt insulted that Lutter did not make weight.

Lastly he had a rib injury.
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Obviously I forgot to mention this as well. Anderson did play ropeadope, allow himself to be taken to the ground very easily to get to the position he wanted.

Like you mentioned, he wore a gi intentionally too. He is a very loyal person and takes the personal insults seriously because I don’t believe he stoops and insults personally people before the fight. He has true fighter spirit in acknowledging that others may be as good if not better. This acknowledgment doesn’t have to be verbal and can be through his reservations in speech.

I believe he always say’s time and time again, I’ll leave the fighting to the octagon. Every pre fight interview, he’s consistent but it doesn’t make for entertainment of the masses… which is what the ufc and dana want.

This is why mma will never be a purist sport, rather like a popular tv show which will eventually wane, so long as ufc market and control it in this manner. The public will always sound the same towards fighters like silva. If Silva did all this outside of the ufc, dana would be saying he is utter crap too. Something along the lines of “who’s he fought” blah blah.

The fact he told people he would submit him too also speaks of his deliberate plan.

I’m not an analyst, nor a commentator and don’t care for their self proclaimed positions. I’m a pro fighter and trainer, have had my share of wins and losses. I’ve learned to deal with them and mostly from the outset have been respectful in my discipline.

I’ve been involved in the fight game before the UFC was invented and don’t need to be taught about interpreting a fighters movements and style. Anderson is crap at marketing himself because he isn’t a lout, that’s why when he does try to market himself he looks silly and people dislike him. He tries to put on a show in the ring with his skills and people take this as him being a dick. Well dick or not, he’s damn skillful at it.

He is too honest a fighter to know how to spin the hype machine but who cares, he fights awesome and is great at what he does. Fedor also comes to mind. Imagine him trying to hype up a fight… it’s just not him. He can’t do it and will look stupid if he tried and people will begin to dislike him.

In Silva’s vain attempts to meet the American public’s thirsty demand for theater and entertainment he loses all rounds, but as a fighter, I don’t have to nut hug him to realize how awesome he is.
Petty retorts to name calling like I’m a nut hugger or people wanting to do things to my mum and or that I’m retarded/brain injured is just lacking in character.
I suspect many on this forum have not fought but are true fans. Sure, you all may follow the sport, be observant in a few things and so on, but it does not mean that being status quo and agreeing one and all actually means you know what you’re talking about.

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Wow did someone just say Forrest can’t kick?[/quote]
Yeh bro, please demonstrate his kicking prowess. Cheers

Oh and dont use the lame kick of a layman reporter as evidence. his kicking in the octagon sucks balls as he point kicks like it’s a karate tourney.[/quote]

Fuck off, you’re the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you. Please demonstrate why he apparently “can’t kick”.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
youve obviously never had a rib injury. If you think a serious injury to your ribs isnt enough to limit mobility youre just plain ignorant. You can even see Silva in between rounds at some points during the fight walking back to his corner and pointing at his ribs.

I agree with you in that Silva could easily outmaneuver Sonnen on a good day, but i still think youre a retard if you believe thats how he wanted that fight to go. [/quote]

Rib injury, sternum injuries, back injuries, torn acl, torn meniscus, faciotomy, two shin operations, I’ve had quite a few and know what hinders your footwork and/or wrestling. footwork and movement is not hindered. He stood like a duck for most of the fight. Watch it again or are you too brainwashed into believing sonnen is that good he could take anderson down at will with no fight put up by anderson? I am not doubting his ribs at all and perhaps it was the one thing to stop anderson from being able to perform at his best but i don’t for one second believe he is gonna be put on show like that by sonnen because of it. Especially by sonnen.

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So you dont think that with severely injured ribs, your ability to pivot on your hips and throw up submissions isnt going to be hampered? Im not brainwashed at all into thinking Sonnen is that good, in fact i think he pretty much got lucky in the Silva fight because of A) the one decent lucky punch standing he landed in the first part of the fight that just happened to daze Silva, and B) Silva came into that fight not 100%. Do i think Silva would toy with him in a second fight? yes. Do i think 4 out of 5 times Marquardt or Okami should be able to beat Sonnen? yes. But you have to be the most nut-hugging fan ive ever met to think that Silva wanted the fight to go down like that. By the way, nothing a fighter has ever done outside of MMA matters two shits when we’re talking about MMA. just cause at the time Sonnen fought forest he was a wrestling star and Forest was an MMA newb, doesnt mean Sonnen was a great fighter yet. Look at what Jon Jones did prior to fighting MMA, he was a junior college champion, that doesnt mean shit in collegiate wrestling. Now he dominates world class wrestlers every fight. Look at GSP, the guy never wrestled competitively in his life, and now hes the best wrestler at WW. All that matters is what you do in MMA, not anywhere else.

Talk about complete ignorance. [/quote]

I didn’t actually say anything about wrestling with an injured rib. I mentioned footwork with an injured rib. Anderson’s footwork was not on at all or he was purposefully slow. I don’t believe an injured rib impairs footwork. Watch his footwork against vitor, forrest, rich, lutter, maia and everyone he fights. He is too balanced and poised to allow someone to tangle him up like that. Sonnen’s shot would be met with air if Silva wanted to but I believe he didn’t. That’s just what I believe and I don’t have to conform to your beliefs for you to have some manners and not be rude.

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]Sliver wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lol, look up maladu. a term brazilians love to use and apply. Sonnen is a chump, fought much lesser guys and got subbed many many times over and over.
Do your homework on him.[/quote]
Right after I get my dick out of your mothers ass.[/quote]
yeh charming. sign of your ability, knowledge but mostly your cowardice. Real tough.[/quote]
Tough has nothing to do with it. Sonnen gave Silva one of the most brutal beatings in the history of MMA. And rather than give credit where credit is due, you continue to suck anderson silva’s cock.

Someone is trolling hard, or is a high-functioning retard. One of the two. Fights end with rib shots, body blows, and other body trauma. You’ll probably peck out the asinine words “prove it”. Well, start with Cro-Cop vs. Barnett. I want to say you could even look for CroCop vs. Heath Herring as well. Next, David Loiseau vs. Mike McCarthy (think that’s the name).

Fuck, even on the UFC 126 card, a dude lost due to his rib getting fucked up! And then you say you can still move and fight normally with such an injury? You’ve gotta be dumber than a box of rocks, junior. You will now be disregarded from here on out.

Oh God, I can’t resist, I’m getting pulled in, this Humble guy is trolling pretty well.

Sonnen sucks so hard on the ground that he mauled and completely outgrappled a legit BB in Nate Marquardt. He sucks so hard that he makes the domination and brutal beatings he put Okami, Nate and Silva through look boring.

Anderson is such an incredible fighter that he doesn’t mind getting his face beat, his rib injury worsened, and his brain damaged in front of thousands of people, millions of viewers including family and children, just to prove a point by effortlessly submitting Sonnen in the final 2 minutes of the fight. All his sub and sweep attempts before that were fake, just to keep Sonnen on his toes, lest the effect wears off.

Sonnen is such a terrible fighter that he has:

  1. taken down everyone he’s fought.
  2. Outstruck a good portion of his opponents.
  3. Imma give you this one, cos, der, it’s true… Gotten triangled by almost everyone he’s fought with a decent ground game.

Maia is so shit that he’s effortlessly submitted the first 3 guys he fought in the UFC and dominated everyone that decided to hit the ground with him. He should never be able to score a TD on an Olympic level wrestler like Sonnen because he hasn’t spent the majority of his life grappling. Everyone knows there are no takedowns in BJJ, only butt scooting.

A high level wrestler, which was what Sonnen was when he fought Forrest, should know sub defense, because that’s what they teach them in wrestling.

Both Okami and Marquardt are overhyped because there are so many better fighters in their weight class.

“I’m not an analyst, nor a commentator”: Agreed, you are a mental patient who managed to hide it just enough that no one called you out on it… till now :smiley:

Also, you appear to have Silva’s balls in your throat, have a look at that.

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]Sliver wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lol, look up maladu. a term brazilians love to use and apply. Sonnen is a chump, fought much lesser guys and got subbed many many times over and over.
Do your homework on him.[/quote]
Right after I get my dick out of your mothers ass.[/quote]
yeh charming. sign of your ability, knowledge but mostly your cowardice. Real tough.[/quote]

yep, noting that one is in fact fornicating with one’s counterpart’s mother’s anus is in fact a sign of both one’s ability (at what? insults) and cowardice (say that to my face brah, ooh wait, that’s right, this be teh interwebz, got Skype brah?).