[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I rememebr meeting Mike Francious back in the mid 90’s and picking his brain. I was maybe a whopping 170 lbs at the time. He asked me how big I wanted to get, and I said around 200 (which would have been huge to me, having started training only a few years earlier weighing 150). He advised me that “to look like a bodybuilder at 200 lbs, you’re going to have to look a little fat weighing a minimum of 220 lbs”. That really stuck with me, and after our converstaion, went to a diner with my brother and promptly ate 3 cheeseburgers as if my life depended on it -lol.
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So true. I’m 230 with god knows how much fat, but I know I wanna be at LEAST 210 and real lean, eventually.
I’m driving my weight up as high as it can reasonably go so that when I decide to reduce my bf (hopefully not for another year or so) I can reach my goal.
More people need to understand the concept that you discussed.
[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
I rememebr meeting Mike Francious back in the mid 90’s and picking his brain. I was maybe a whopping 170 lbs at the time.
He asked me how big I wanted to get, and I said around 200 (which would have been huge to me, having started training only a few years earlier weighing 150). He advised me that “to look like a bodybuilder at 200 lbs, you’re going to have to look a little fat weighing a minimum of 220 lbs”. That really stuck with me, and after our converstaion, went to a diner with my brother and promptly ate 3 cheeseburgers as if my life depended on it -lol.
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So true. I’m 230 with god knows how much fat, but I know I wanna be at LEAST 210 and real lean, eventually.
I’m driving my weight up as high as it can reasonably go so that when I decide to reduce my bf (hopefully not for another year or so) I can reach my goal.
More people need to understand the concept that you discussed.
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Shit, I’ve been saying that here for 8 years and they haven’t started listening yet.
I’ve been silently “listening” since May of last year and have packed on over 35 pounds and made incredible gains in strength and size.
Prof, some people are listening… probably more than you realize. Who cares if “170 lb guy” with 15" arms and 21" legs thinks he needs to keep his abs. Let him waste his time. Some people get it. Some people don’t. For those of us who get it – please, keep the advice coming.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
I rememebr meeting Mike Francious back in the mid 90’s and picking his brain. I was maybe a whopping 170 lbs at the time.
He asked me how big I wanted to get, and I said around 200 (which would have been huge to me, having started training only a few years earlier weighing 150). He advised me that “to look like a bodybuilder at 200 lbs, you’re going to have to look a little fat weighing a minimum of 220 lbs”. That really stuck with me, and after our converstaion, went to a diner with my brother and promptly ate 3 cheeseburgers as if my life depended on it -lol.
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So true. I’m 230 with god knows how much fat, but I know I wanna be at LEAST 210 and real lean, eventually.
I’m driving my weight up as high as it can reasonably go so that when I decide to reduce my bf (hopefully not for another year or so) I can reach my goal.
More people need to understand the concept that you discussed.
Shit, I’ve been saying that here for 8 years and they haven’t started listening yet. [/quote]
As another poster said, some people are, including myself. Your posts are probably the main reason why I’ve made this decision, which I know will be the fastest way to reach my goals. Thank you.
Professor X wrote:
Shit, I’ve been saying that here for 8 years and they haven’t started listening yet.
I’ve been silently “listening” since May of last year and have packed on over 35 pounds and made incredible gains in strength and size.
Prof, some people are listening… probably more than you realize. Who cares if “170 lb guy” with 15" arms and 21" legs thinks he needs to keep his abs. Let him waste his time. Some people get it. Some people don’t. For those of us who get it – please, keep the advice coming.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I rememebr meeting Mike Francious back in the mid 90’s and picking his brain. I was maybe a whopping 170 lbs at the time. He asked me how big I wanted to get, and I said around 200 (which would have been huge to me, having started training only a few years earlier weighing 150). He advised me that “to look like a bodybuilder at 200 lbs, you’re going to have to look a little fat weighing a minimum of 220 lbs”. That really stuck with me, and after our converstaion, went to a diner with my brother and promptly ate 3 cheeseburgers as if my life depended on it -lol.
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The biggest and most ripped guy (260 hard)in my area told me the same exact thing.
Still, a common problem I see a lot of, is with F.F.B.s. Having been pudgy as kids, once they shed the fat, even though they now have some muscle, there is always that real deep inner fear of getting ‘fat’ again if they eat too much. I understand it, but it is sometimes difficult to convince these types otherwise.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Still, a common problem I see a lot of, is with F.F.B.s. Having been pudgy as kids, once they shed the fat, even though they now have some muscle, there is always that real deep inner fear of getting ‘fat’ again if they eat too much. I understand it, but it is sometimes difficult to convince these types otherwise.
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Stu-- I repeat that mantra to myself everyday. After losing 70 pounds that I put on over the course of a decade (fat nasty pounds), I decided this year that I was going to go the fastest route to muscle-- lift heavy and often, eat heavy and often, and it’s paid off.
I’m back into my ‘fat clothes’ that I put into boxes a couple years ago, but they fit much differently. Jeans much more filled out in the quads, shirts tight in the chest and sleeves instead of the belly…
I have bulk belly, but I looooove the strength and mass gains. Wifee is digging it, and I’m getting more and frequent comments at the gym. I took a new job a few months back and even since then, my former colleagues (when I see them) tell me I’m getting big (ie good big).
It is definitely a state of mind to convince yourself that some extra fat-weight is OK (obviously not moobs and jelly-roll fat), but the good extra layer to pad that hard earned new muscle…
You have got to ask yourself if this type of approach is applicable to the T-Nation demographic - I think it used to be but probably (sadly) not really any more as the emphasis on this site has gravitated towards “look good naked” not build a massive and strong physique. This is apparent particularly on the forums.
Here’s hoping this thread can be the start of a muscle mass revolution.
[quote]JamFly wrote:
You have got to ask yourself if this type of approach is applicable to the T-Nation demographic - I think it used to be but probably (sadly) not really any more as the emphasis on this site has gravitated towards “look good naked” not build a massive and strong physique. This is apparent particularly on the forums.
Here’s hoping this thread can be the start of a muscle mass revolution.[/quote]
I’m still with this. I’ll try to be the voice of reason for as many younger lifters as I can. Sadly, only a few people have agreed with me.
It’s not that people aren’t listening, it’s just that no one wants it to be true because it’s fucking hard.
Eating a shit ton is honestly probably harder, for me, than training. There are times I’m at the table eating and I’m literally in pain. Most people don’t want to do that, and can’t get past the mental block they have thinking that eating more will only make them fatter.
Dante makes me feel like a pussy for not eating 900 grams of protein a day.
i agree with 3WL that eating is way harder than training. training you can go and be done with it in an hour and its just out of your way. eating always interferes with shit, like i cant be out too long without needing to eat. i always have to make sure i eat before i leave i have to eat wherever i go and so forth. you cant just do it once and go on with your day…i wish it was that easy.
Man, I’m 25 and have a fear of not being at a weight I want to be at by the time I’m 30. I have newbie gains waiting for me and I’ve only been listening to the bigger guys on here about eating big and lifting heavy. I wish I had been serious about lifting when I was 18. I will make sure my kids are…
I pretty much stopped following most articles on here a while ago; they never seem to talk enough about eating big and recovery.
They really should interview Dante and Justin Harris.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Dante makes me feel like a pussy for not eating 900 grams of protein a day.
i agree with 3WL that eating is way harder than training. training you can go and be done with it in an hour and its just out of your way. eating always interferes with shit, like i cant be out too long without needing to eat. i always have to make sure i eat before i leave i have to eat wherever i go and so forth. you cant just do it once and go on with your day…i wish it was that easy.[/quote]
Agreed. When I was bulking a couple years ago (wish I still could), drinking a half gallon of milk a day, and bacon double cheeseburgers and bags of nuts and the rest of it was a lot more tiresome than even a tough squat workout.
I went from 123lbs and have been ‘stuck’ @ 170 now for a while @ 5’11… and I’m lean… I’m just starting to pay my dues… and ya… it’s hard to stuff it down… but I am 176 this morning… I’ve been as high as 185… but that’s it… I’m shootin’ for 200 as a shortterm goal… I’ve always stopped myself… my mindset was ass backwards… I can do this! Thanks for the read!
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Dante makes me feel like a pussy for not eating 900 grams of protein a day.
i agree with 3WL that eating is way harder than training. training you can go and be done with it in an hour and its just out of your way. eating always interferes with shit, like i cant be out too long without needing to eat. i always have to make sure i eat before i leave i have to eat wherever i go and so forth. you cant just do it once and go on with your day…i wish it was that easy.
Agreed. When I was bulking a couple years ago (wish I still could), drinking a half gallon of milk a day, and bacon double cheeseburgers and bags of nuts and the rest of it was a lot more tiresome than even a tough squat workout. [/quote]
Mentally keeping track of what you’ve eating and making sure you’ve eating enough used to drain me.
[quote]Tiznut wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Dante makes me feel like a pussy for not eating 900 grams of protein a day.
i agree with 3WL that eating is way harder than training. training you can go and be done with it in an hour and its just out of your way. eating always interferes with shit, like i cant be out too long without needing to eat. i always have to make sure i eat before i leave i have to eat wherever i go and so forth. you cant just do it once and go on with your day…i wish it was that easy.
Agreed. When I was bulking a couple years ago (wish I still could), drinking a half gallon of milk a day, and bacon double cheeseburgers and bags of nuts and the rest of it was a lot more tiresome than even a tough squat workout.
Mentally keeping track of what you’ve eating and making sure you’ve eating enough used to drain me.[/quote]
To even maintain my weight right now requires me to eat an amount that has me literally choking food down at times. I don’t think most here really get how important and how mentally draining it can be to actually eat enough to grow on a consistent basis for years on end. Most people can’t do it. That is why most of these guy are still small.
It is EASY to go into the gym and then disregard how much you need to be eating or complain about how you feel bloated so you quit.
It is HARD to eat like you are forcing gains for 10 years, gain 80+lbs of body weight and lift 5 days a week without fail.
There is a reason these little personal trainers feel the need to degrade guys 100lbs bigger than them simply because they aren’t ripped. They tried. They failed. Acting like everyone who didn’t give up has something wrong with them makes them feel better.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Dante makes me feel like a pussy for not eating 900 grams of protein a day.
i agree with 3WL that eating is way harder than training. training you can go and be done with it in an hour and its just out of your way. eating always interferes with shit, like i cant be out too long without needing to eat. i always have to make sure i eat before i leave i have to eat wherever i go and so forth. you cant just do it once and go on with your day…i wish it was that easy.[/quote]
You’d have to be bigger than trevor smith in his prime to require that much protein (following Dante’s usual recommendations), so no worries
