Should I Throw?

[quote]TomRocco wrote:
ill be a senior in a relatively rigorous school and in my opinion, yes definitely throw. You should definitely give it a shot (no pun intended). My coach asked me to do it sophmore year and now its my life. i woke up to a dream today that i hit a big PR. i love it. besides, nothing makes you feel better than being able to say you came in 1st or 2nd all on your own.

worst thing that happens- you need to quit the team. its not a big deal. no one is gonna penalize you for it. you can even blame it on your shoulder.

about the tendinitis- after the first few days of practice see if the throwing makes a difference and bothers you.

track meets are definitely fun. hang out with your friends there. see girls, etc. youll start to become friends with other throwers and youll make fun of all the distance runners for being so weak.

sometimes you need to make sacrifices in terms of weekends. not gonna lie about that. this year im planning on working friday nights, saturdays, and then sunday morning. try to get weekend hours at your job.

id second driving less. this may be “lame” but take this bus to school on days you arent going somewhere as soon as schools over. youll probably save alot of gas money. [/quote]

thanks for the advice, I wish I could take the bus, but I go to school a hour earlier then most people, and there is no bus for that. The woman who does the hours at work seems pretty evil from what I’ve heard, but I’ll see what I can do

[quote]bluejay wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
My split post coan-phillipi will look like:
Monday:
deadlift
SLDL
cable row
dumbell row
shrugs
pinwheel curls

Tuesday:
ME press variation
military press
external rotations
triceps

Thursday:
Squat
leg press
glute hams
calves

Friday:
dumbell press
side+front raises
external rotations
triceps

Anything I should change? Where should I add chins?

My .02 cents:

As a 5x time collegiate all-american, 6 time national qualifier, I would bench, military press, push press, squat, deadlift, power clean, row, power snatch, sprint, jump. Work these lifts in 3 or 4 times a week but don’t spend to much energy in the weight room. In my experience a thrower throws then lifts. You still get strong,but you also get explosive but the key is to stay fresh. If you leave the weight room in 45 minutes you are doing your duty.

After three years of collegiate throwing my bench went from 320 to 470 touch n go. “Squat” and deadlift went through the roof. I did not max single but I could do reps of 10 with 600lbs on both. You can still get strong but technique in the throws is most important. I had terrible glide shot put technique but did not spend enough time learning what I was doing wrong to do it right. We didn’t have the internet access to info that is available today and my coach refused any use of video, and I admit I had no idea what I was doing as a thrower other than turning fast and striking.

My weight training typically looked like this:
Monday
Bench press warm up then heavy set of five.
Military Press warm up heavy set of eight.

Tuesday
Squat or deadlift work up to a heavy set of eight

Thursday or Friday
Bench press work up to a fast and heavy set of 2.
Row up to a set of eight

I would have added the olympic variants, sprinting, and jumping had I been more educated about their importance.

Remember that recovery and technique are the keys. Rest in between throws too. I saw a lot of people that weren’t very good take two or three throws in practice and meet warm-ups for every one throw I took.

Cutting back on reps in the weightroom might help your tendinitis as well. I have experienced it myself and cutting back was the cure.

I don’t know if that helps but good luck.

And no I did no I did not take steriods. I did eat a ton of food and actually predominantly carbs. Literally two loves of white bread per day and maybe 1.5 pounds of hamburger not all that I ate but it was typical. My body weight went from 235# to 285# in three years not all solid but I didn’t look like a chub either. I found strength gains to coincide greatly with increased body weight however recently I have experience good strength gains without the body weight increase. Also, I noticed that if I ate an apple and an orange at various times leading up to a workout things would go well. Also, you should ingest plenty of calcium. Chemistry might suggest that calcium has some relationship to muscle contractions.

That’s it I’m done now.

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thanks for the help.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
bignate wrote:
powerlifting should come second (no offense) but the support to recruit powerlifters in college is null while throwers if half decent can get into many colleges easier, also start driving less. :slight_smile:

plus u say u will have no down time, the track kinda is like down time, u hang out with ppl from school, throw and go to meets, its very fun

Additionally, he would not be the first person to balance work, school and sports. I’m not saying it’s easy, and I certainly have no 1st hand experience, but I did take AP level courses and play sports[/quote]

Yeah, half of my classes this year are ccap courses. It kinda sucks.

[quote]bignate wrote:
powerlifting should come second (no offense) but the support to recruit powerlifters in college is null while throwers if half decent can get into many colleges easier, also start driving less. :slight_smile:

plus u say u will have no down time, the track kinda is like down time, u hang out with ppl from school, throw and go to meets, its very fun[/quote]

It should, but it holds my intrest far more then anything else right now.

[quote]TheBig3 wrote:
Im not trying to be the odd one out, but with all your school work, and powerlifting it doesnt seem like youll have time. Plus throwing with tendonitis in your shoulder doesnt sound to good. [/quote]

this is sort of how I feel about it. I really want to try it, but not if it wrecks everything else.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
TheBig3 wrote:
Im not trying to be the odd one out, but with all your school work, and powerlifting it doesnt seem like youll have time. Plus throwing with tendonitis in your shoulder doesnt sound to good.

this is sort of how I feel about it. I really want to try it, but not if it wrecks everything else.[/quote]

I don’t know how old of a person you are but I wouldn’t stress over throwing ruining everything else for you. Many world class throwers, as previously mentioned, are amazingly strong with raw lifting numbers. Would they be stronger as powerlifters, maybe?

Louie Simmons trained an Ohio State Shotputter back in the 80’s you may find some good stuff on him.

[quote]bluejay wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
TheBig3 wrote:
Im not trying to be the odd one out, but with all your school work, and powerlifting it doesnt seem like youll have time. Plus throwing with tendonitis in your shoulder doesnt sound to good.

this is sort of how I feel about it. I really want to try it, but not if it wrecks everything else.

I don’t know how old of a person you are but I wouldn’t stress over throwing ruining everything else for you. Many world class throwers, as previously mentioned, are amazingly strong with raw lifting numbers. Would they be stronger as powerlifters, maybe?

Louie Simmons trained an Ohio State Shotputter back in the 80’s you may find some good stuff on him.[/quote]

I’m not jsut talking about lifting, I mean as far as time for work, and homework goes.

I think I’ll try it out and if it’s too much my parents will understand.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
bluejay wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
TheBig3 wrote:
Im not trying to be the odd one out, but with all your school work, and powerlifting it doesnt seem like youll have time. Plus throwing with tendonitis in your shoulder doesnt sound to good.

this is sort of how I feel about it. I really want to try it, but not if it wrecks everything else.

I don’t know how old of a person you are but I wouldn’t stress over throwing ruining everything else for you. Many world class throwers, as previously mentioned, are amazingly strong with raw lifting numbers. Would they be stronger as powerlifters, maybe?

Louie Simmons trained an Ohio State Shotputter back in the 80’s you may find some good stuff on him.

I’m not jsut talking about lifting, I mean as far as time for work, and homework goes.

I think I’ll try it out and if it’s too much my parents will understand.[/quote]

If you can keep up the grades and all it’ll be a good prep for life on your own to add another sport. Plus if you only participate seasonly it’ll only affect a couple of months in the spring. Do you play other sports? Regarding powerlifting, you may have read this elsewhere but I believe that Benedikt Magnusson attributes his deadlifting prowess in part to sprints and olympic lifting. So, even if you decide to focus on the power lifting you could still branch into other areas with your training, maybe you already do.

Again, good luck.

Change your availability so that you work only days you don’t have meets/practice. Your paychecks will take a cut, but HS spot experience is way worth it.

[quote]bluejay wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
bluejay wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
TheBig3 wrote:
Im not trying to be the odd one out, but with all your school work, and powerlifting it doesnt seem like youll have time. Plus throwing with tendonitis in your shoulder doesnt sound to good.

this is sort of how I feel about it. I really want to try it, but not if it wrecks everything else.

I don’t know how old of a person you are but I wouldn’t stress over throwing ruining everything else for you. Many world class throwers, as previously mentioned, are amazingly strong with raw lifting numbers. Would they be stronger as powerlifters, maybe?

Louie Simmons trained an Ohio State Shotputter back in the 80’s you may find some good stuff on him.

I’m not jsut talking about lifting, I mean as far as time for work, and homework goes.

I think I’ll try it out and if it’s too much my parents will understand.

If you can keep up the grades and all it’ll be a good prep for life on your own to add another sport. Plus if you only participate seasonly it’ll only affect a couple of months in the spring. Do you play other sports? Regarding powerlifting, you may have read this elsewhere but I believe that Benedikt Magnusson attributes his deadlifting prowess in part to sprints and olympic lifting. So, even if you decide to focus on the power lifting you could still branch into other areas with your training, maybe you already do.

Again, good luck.[/quote]

thanks, I’ll probably give it a whirl.

i realize this is an old thread but i stumbled upon it and wish to give my opinion as a current high school thrower

  1. throwing does not take much time. you’ll probably practice for maybe 2 hours

  2. depending on your coach, you shouldn’t be very tired after practice so you can lift after if you’re not lifting in practice. and thrower lifting is similar to powerlifting workouts

  3. track girls are hot and seeing you in track too gives you something in common so they’re more comfortable. plus, everyone is looking for something to do at weekend invitationals

  4. you’d probably be good at it. you’re strong and appear to be athletic

  5. it’s friendly competition. a track meet is just like a powerlifting meet, just more events

on the negative side, it takes up alot of saturdays, folks aren’t good their first year so you’d have be patient

my practices are very relaxed. we just go out, throw a few times, and watch everyone else. we do have a very relaxed coach though. ask the coach what a typical practice is like.

take it or leave it. that pretty much sums it up.

Zep, what did you decide? Was this winter or spring track we were talking about?

it had always been my experience that doing track was basically lifting with your friends 3 times a week, then throwing for an hour-ish with some short distance sprints on those throwing days. Its fun because most of the guys that throw are just like you so chances are you’re gonna be around people with similar interests, i.e. powerlifting. However last year (junior year) I did not throw because of my back injury, and spent the summer getting ready for football and spring rehabing.

My opinion, stick to what you love, while throwing is fun and even more fun if your good at it and winning meeets, if its not something your using to go to school or plan on doing in the olympics then focus on what you love. and dont forget, you are in highschool, have some fun.

When I was in high school, I was in your same position. In the spring I would have to go to school at 6am football workouts, then school, then track practice, then go to work, then come home and study. I felt like I have no social life but you know what it has paid off in the end. here’s why:

  1. I got alot stronger

  2. I did compete in my state meet which I think is way cooler than any football game I have ever played

  3. I recieved a scholarship from a small D2 school for track. (more money = Less WORK!)

Overall, Throwing will not be counterproductive to your lifting. It can only make you better and more explosvie. Also its FUN!! I love going to practice and working on my technique and figuring out what things work better for me to throw far. Its all about seeing how far you can push yourself just like any other strength sport.

Well you got plenty of feedback already…

Though considering how often/easy you seem to get injured and what with that sleep condition…

Why don’t you pm heavythrower (does he still post here? Haven’t heard of him in months) and pick his brain about throwing, what he’d do differently if he could go back (shoulder health etc, what injuries he got from it, how he trained for it, the whole story basically)…

I personally prefer to focus on a few things and get as good at them as I can (that would be school and PL in your case, as well as getting some money together…) instead of adding yet another activity to a busy schedule worsened by lack of sleep.

Not that I want to appear overly negative here, mind you. Have fun no matter what you decide. Have you found out what gave you your shoulder tendonitis?

why dont u like team sports might i ask

[quote]masonator wrote:
Plus track girls are hot as shit. Seriously, give it a try. [/quote]

This is excellent advice. Honestly, the worst thing that could happen is it doesn’t work out and you have to quit. Why not try it? My little bro got into shotput pretty randomly in high school. He started out pretty shitty, but got good and that helped him get into a sick college. You never know, your experience could be similar.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Zep, what did you decide? Was this winter or spring track we were talking about?[/quote]

I can’t at least this year. I have no time, I work nearly every day.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Well you got plenty of feedback already…

Though considering how often/easy you seem to get injured and what with that sleep condition…

Why don’t you pm heavythrower (does he still post here? Haven’t heard of him in months) and pick his brain about throwing, what he’d do differently if he could go back (shoulder health etc, what injuries he got from it, how he trained for it, the whole story basically)…

I personally prefer to focus on a few things and get as good at them as I can (that would be school and PL in your case, as well as getting some money together…) instead of adding yet another activity to a busy schedule worsened by lack of sleep.

Not that I want to appear overly negative here, mind you. Have fun no matter what you decide. Have you found out what gave you your shoulder tendonitis?
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Honestly CC you hit the nail on the head. I’m fucking exhausted 24/7. And I work nearly every night, plus lifting. I really am not going to be able to do throwing without really fucking myself up, I’ve been burnt out for months now, and probably will stay burnt out until I summer vacation starts again. My shoulder tendonitis was most likely from using the max legal width on all my benching and benching 2-3 times a week in the 3-8 rep range for months before even starting my log here.