[quote]obatiger11 wrote:
First, get as far away from the chiropractor as possible. See an orthopedic doctor. Have him perform an x-ray or possibly an MRI if he/she see’s necessary. If he/she see’s a problem, then try to find a reputable physical therapist and have them start you on an exercise program to address any problems you might have or may have in the future.
I am not a fan of Chiropractors because most simply want to perform “adjustments” on people. This may give some relief for a while but it does not address the issues causing the problem. Malalignments could be due to flexibility, muscular strength deficits or muscle imbalances. I think a lot of chiro’s don’t look deep enough into an injury and try to determine what is causing the problem. It does not make them money if they fix you and give you a home exercise program and you never have to return to their practice again. Please, don’t get me wrong I am sure there are some decent Chiro’s out there but I don’t agree with alway’s wanting to “adjust” people.
Adjustments can feel great because they cause endorphens to be released. However, constantly adjusting someone’s spinal column can lead to laxity in the ligaments that hold the vertebrae together. That’s why I prefer flexibility and strengthening programs.
Look for a solution that fixes the variables leading to the injury. Don’t just mask the contributing factors with some sham treatment.
If you have a hole in your floor, sure you can throw a carpet over it and cover it up, but it doesn’t fix the damn thing. [/quote]
After dealing with several ankle sprains and some mild rotator cuff issues over the past several years I"ve discovered that orthopods are basically useless for soft tissue injuries (well unless you’ve torn something and need surgery). I’ll stick to a good physical therapist or preferably a chiro/ART therapist. I give the chiro/ART person the edge because they can do adjustments which are very helpful with some injuries e.g. ankle sprains.
It’s my understanding, and hopefully Doc Ryan can correct me if I’m wrong, that years ago, when the AMA allowed DO’s in, there was also a push to involve chiropractors, as in the old adage “If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em.”. However, probably because of the active assault on chiropractic from medical doctors from the early decades of it’s inception, the head honchos of chiropractic told AMA to shove it.
5’9" and 188 pounds sounds like you are a lot thicker than your chiropractor. Your musculature is one of the things she has to deal with when she adjusts your neck and back.
Detraining for a little while can allow those muscles to loosen up and lengthen which can make it easier to take the joint through a full range of motion. It’s important to note that she only said lay off of your back and shoulders for 90 days not forever.
It’s not unusual to have a new pain after an adjustment. Before I started going to a chiropractor the outside edge of both my legs had gone numb to the point that I could not feel the 8 inches above my knee.
After my first adjustment where he got a bad subluxation out of my neck that night I regained the feeling in my legs. I could tell that he had unpinched a nerve and it felt good. A day or two later though I started getting jolts of pain along my sciatic nerve which was a result of the nerve being pinched for so long. It went away after a while and now I feel much better.
I would go with the doctors advice it’s only 3 months. It’s not bad for the body to take a break once in a while. Maybe trying out some new types of physical activity might be really rewarding.
[quote]Dr. Ryan wrote:
nuwayv wrote:
Majin wrote:
I thought chiropractors aren’t even in a real medical field are they? It’s like ‘alternative’ medicine…
That’s always been my understanding of it. chiropractors are not doctors and I don’t believe they are a part of the AMA.
These may be helpful.
I would like to commend you. You aren’t afraid to put your ignorance (Ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing)up on a pedestal for everyone to see. You wear it proudly and you have to respect a guy for that.
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Retract the claws, dude. My name isn’t Dr. Barrett, last I checked. I was just putting my two cents in by dropping a couple of web sites that I and others have found helpful. Rather than give simple give simple redirection to some alternate sites, you chose, for the most part, an ad hominem attack. I don’t think you’ll get many new patients that way.
[quote]conorh wrote:
It’s my understanding, and hopefully Doc Ryan can correct me if I’m wrong, that years ago, when the AMA allowed DO’s in, there was also a push to involve chiropractors, as in the old adage “If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em.”. However, probably because of the active assault on chiropractic from medical doctors from the early decades of it’s inception, the head honchos of chiropractic told AMA to shove it.
I may have that all wrong…[/quote]
Basically true. The chiropractors did not want to give up their autonomy and be governed by the AMA. The DO’s, chose to join and the DC’s opted not to. Unfortunately all that did was piss off the AMA, who then set out to disparage chiropractic every chance they got. Worked pretty good from the sounds of the people on this site. However, the AMA got sued by the ACA in the 80’s for this very thing and the AMA was found guilty.
[quote]cougarenegade wrote:
That is pretty stupid to compare a chiropractor or any doctor to a mechanic. Chiropractors go pre-med undergrad (4 years) and spend usually 3 plus years studying their ass off full time to get their degree, similar to med school for doctors who do probably triple the time when you combine residencies etc.
Most are pro’s at what they do, however, many will let their bias towards things like weightlifting get in the way of their vast knowledge, this happens with every profession though.
Multiple opinions on an issue are always the best way to go.[/quote]
That school period sounds strangely similar to what I am doing for my clinical doctorate in physical therapy. (Just thought I’d throw that in the fire)
BTW, I love the way this discussion is opening up eyes about different areas in healthcare.
hmmm I would love to see Bushy’s take on this,Chiropractors are like any other profession,I had severe elbow tendonitis and my Chiro recomended wrist and reverse curls after every workout.Find a Chiro with sports interests. No you do not need to stop working out.Get a second opinion.
Though I did not read every post on this thread I will say that YES CHIROPRACTORS ARE REAL DOCTORS YOU FUCKING DOUCHE BAG,cirriculam is almost identical to a “REAL” and by real I assume you mean a drug pushing not knowing anything about nutrution M.D.?. WHY WOULD OU NOT TRUST SOMEONE WHO’S EDUCATED INTENSELY ON BIO MECHANICS AND KNIESEOLOGY( you can look that big word up later)
[quote]Dr. Ryan wrote:
conorh wrote:
It’s my understanding, and hopefully Doc Ryan can correct me if I’m wrong, that years ago, when the AMA allowed DO’s in, there was also a push to involve chiropractors, as in the old adage “If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em.”. However, probably because of the active assault on chiropractic from medical doctors from the early decades of it’s inception, the head honchos of chiropractic told AMA to shove it.
I may have that all wrong…
Basically true. The chiropractors did not want to give up their autonomy and be governed by the AMA. The DO’s, chose to join and the DC’s opted not to. Unfortunately all that did was piss off the AMA, who then set out to disparage chiropractic every chance they got. Worked pretty good from the sounds of the people on this site. However, the AMA got sued by the ACA in the 80’s for this very thing and the AMA was found guilty.
Thanks for the stimulating the history lesson.[/quote]
I understand why chiropractors do not want anything to do with the American Medical Association. The philosophy of chiropractic goes against everything the AMA represents.
Here are two great arguments against the AMA’s coercive and state-sponsored monopoloy of the health care profession from an Austrian Economics School perspective.
I’m sure T-Nation’s Dr. Ryan is a nice guy and is sincere about helping others with back problems. Even Dr. Stephen Barrett has recognized that chiro care consisting of gentle spinal manipulation can be a good adjunct in back pain management.
However, I am by nature a skeptic and I personally would never see a chiro nor recommend such treatment to anyone. Keep in mind that chiropractic was started by an Iowa grocery store owner who also believed in magnetic healing.
About 3 years ago I injured my neck and to better educate myself about my condition and researched spinal anatomy. The spine is a truly remarkable structure connected by very strong ligaments and surrounded by very strong muscle. Common sense says that it would take a hell of a lot of force to pop a vertebra out of alignment.
A 1970 study showed just that. The researcher used cadavers to determine how much force was necessary to “subluxate” the vertebrae and discovered that the force necessary to cause subluxations also caused the vertebrae to fracture. Bottom line: if you really have a spinal subluxation, chances are you also have a broken back. This study is on Dr. Barrett’s site.
I urge everyone to read the chirobase site Dr. Barrett’s chirobase site before seeking chiropractic treatment. Very interesting stuff there.
[quote]Dr. Ryan wrote:
Basically true. The chiropractors did not want to give up their autonomy and be governed by the AMA. The DO’s, chose to join and the DC’s opted not to. Unfortunately all that did was piss off the AMA, who then set out to disparage chiropractic every chance they got. Worked pretty good from the sounds of the people on this site. However, the AMA got sued by the ACA in the 80’s for this very thing and the AMA was found guilty.
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Chiropractors love this case and they claim that it was some type of judicial recognition of the legitimacy of chiropractic care and that M.D.s are someone no longer allowed to say bad things about chiropractic. That is not accurate at all. What the AMA did was prohibit any M.D. who was an AMA-member from referring a patient to a chiropractor at the risk of losing AMA membership.
The chiropractors sued saying that this practice violated antitrust laws. The court agreed and told the AMA that it could not prevent its members from referring patients to chiropractors who wanted to do so. It was an antitrust case. That’s all.
However, I am by nature a skeptic and I personally would never see a chiro nor recommend such treatment to anyone. Keep in mind that chiropractic was started by an Iowa grocery store owner who also believed in magnetic healing.[/quote]
I’m naturally skeptical, also. However, just because the founder of chiropractic believed in magnetic healing doesn’t mean that chiropractic is not a legitimate practice. One could apply the same reasoning to allopathic medicine (M.D.s), because Hippocrates, the father of medicine, believed that the four humours influenced the body’s health. His idea was still mainstream up to the time of the War Between the States, i.e. bloodletting.
Now we know that to be totally false. But just because doctors practiced bloodletting in the past doesn’t mean everything they did was wrong.
If I were to go to a chiropractor, I would go to one that isn’t afraid to be in the same office as a physical therapist. I’m not saying that all chiros who aren’t in the same office as a PT are quacks, it just makes things easier.
I worked for a major package delivery company, and I used to make a lot of deliveries to chiro offices. If I was making a delivery to an office, it was full of obscenely marked-up and questionable supplements. It was disturbing that so many of these guys weren’t concerned about bilking their patients, or thought that they had some sort of degree that would make them an authority on the subject. Unfortunately, this was true of most offices in the multiple suburbs that I worked in. I think these docs would have fainted if you asked them for rehab exercises.
Dr. Ryan, is there an organization of chiropractors who share your treatment philosophy? It’s hard to rely on the advice of friends.
O.k.for all you skeptics, choose 5 different “real” Doctors present each of them with a list of the same symptoms and see how many different treatment protocols and drugs are prescribed and how many different diagnosis’ are given,quacks indeed!
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I’m sure T-Nation’s Dr. Ryan is a nice guy and is sincere about helping others with back problems. Even Dr. Stephen Barrett has recognized that chiro care consisting of gentle spinal manipulation can be a good adjunct in back pain management.
However, I am by nature a skeptic and I personally would never see a chiro nor recommend such treatment to anyone. Keep in mind that chiropractic was started by an Iowa grocery store owner who also believed in magnetic healing.
About 3 years ago I injured my neck and to better educate myself about my condition and researched spinal anatomy. The spine is a truly remarkable structure connected by very strong ligaments and surrounded by very strong muscle. Common sense says that it would take a hell of a lot of force to pop a vertebra out of alignment.
A 1970 study showed just that. The researcher used cadavers to determine how much force was necessary to “subluxate” the vertebrae and discovered that the force necessary to cause subluxations also caused the vertebrae to fracture. Bottom line: if you really have a spinal subluxation, chances are you also have a broken back. This study is on Dr. Barrett’s site.
I urge everyone to read the chirobase site Dr. Barrett’s chirobase site before seeking chiropractic treatment. Very interesting stuff there.[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, do you have any idea of the amount of force generated on the spine when doing even light squats or desdlifts or heaven forbid good mornings,now compare that to the “cadavor” data,hmm I wonder just how stiff does connective tissue get after death…more A.M.A. wool pulling!
Broken Neck IALMAO!!!
Oh and another point, a leading cause of death in 2004? Improperly prescribed drugs and treatment plans…by “real” Doctors, hmmm wonder if you will find that on the A.M.A. website? Love to give a bunch of cool links to prove my point but do your own research
[quote]Dr. Ryan wrote:
conorh wrote:
It’s my understanding, and hopefully Doc Ryan can correct me if I’m wrong, that years ago, when the AMA allowed DO’s in, there was also a push to involve chiropractors, as in the old adage “If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em.”. However, probably because of the active assault on chiropractic from medical doctors from the early decades of it’s inception, the head honchos of chiropractic told AMA to shove it.
I may have that all wrong…
Basically true. The chiropractors did not want to give up their autonomy and be governed by the AMA. The DO’s, chose to join and the DC’s opted not to. Unfortunately all that did was piss off the AMA, who then set out to disparage chiropractic every chance they got. Worked pretty good from the sounds of the people on this site. However, the AMA got sued by the ACA in the 80’s for this very thing and the AMA was found guilty.
Thanks for the stimulating the history lesson.[/quote]
Funny, it’s the opposite way around here in Canada. Or at least it is in Quebec. DOs are seen as just a notch from witch doctors by older doctors, whereas DCs are quite aggressive in their claim to be the only real manual medicine. Hopefully, the younger generation of health practionner is more open-minded, on both sides of the fence.
[quote]obatiger11 wrote:
First, get as far away from the chiropractor as possible. See an orthopedic doctor. Have him perform an x-ray or possibly an MRI if he/she see’s necessary. If he/she see’s a problem, then try to find a reputable physical therapist and have them start you on an exercise program to address any problems you might have or may have in the future.
I am not a fan of Chiropractors because most simply want to perform “adjustments” on people. This may give some relief for a while but it does not address the issues causing the problem. Malalignments could be due to flexibility, muscular strength deficits or muscle imbalances. I think a lot of chiro’s don’t look deep enough into an injury and try to determine what is causing the problem. It does not make them money if they fix you and give you a home exercise program and you never have to return to their practice again. Please, don’t get me wrong I am sure there are some decent Chiro’s out there but I don’t agree with alway’s wanting to “adjust” people.
Adjustments can feel great because they cause endorphens to be released. However, constantly adjusting someone’s spinal column can lead to laxity in the ligaments that hold the vertebrae together. That’s why I prefer flexibility and strengthening programs.
Look for a solution that fixes the variables leading to the injury. Don’t just mask the contributing factors with some sham treatment.
If you have a hole in your floor, sure you can throw a carpet over it and cover it up, but it doesn’t fix the damn thing. [/quote]
You sir are an idiot any good chiro will address flexibility and muscle imbalance