^^^ Jesus Christ dude, making fun of someone who’s dyslexic by intentionally misspelling words is a huge dick move. Shit like this is why this site is kind of a joke. The guy presented a valid opinion and instead of engaging in articulate discussion he gets blasted for his thoughts and made fun of for his disability. Stay classy T-Nation.
Yeah, too mean.
I thought TomKaminski’s post was quite good.
I would add that I think it’s sad that too many people outside of Hispters are getting on the organic BS bandwagon.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Jesus Christ dude, making fun of someone who’s dyslexic by intentionally misspelling words is a huge dick move. Shit like this is why this site is kind of a joke. The guy presented a valid opinion and instead of engaging in articulate discussion he gets blasted for his thoughts and made fun of for his disability. Stay classy T-Nation.[/quote]
A ‘valid’ opinion?
Reread the part where he presents his valid opinion against organic food.
Stupid is as stupid does. As Momma always used to say.
[quote]Nards wrote:
Yeah, too mean.
I thought TomKaminski’s post was quite good.
I would add that I think it’s sad that too many people outside of Hispters are getting on the organic BS bandwagon.[/quote]
…OK, I’ll bite. Why is organic food ‘BS’ in your opinion?
No chemical toxins, no GMO, all sounds pretty good right?
It’s the organic food industry as well as health zealots that say our food is full of toxins.
Look, I’m not going to get into some long discussion, I type far too slowly for that.
The FDA is a very careful, sometimes cripplingly so, organization. The idea that they let poisons into our food and only organic can save us is wrong.
[quote]Nards wrote:
It’s the organic food industry as well as health zealots that say our food is full of toxins.
Look, I’m not going to get into some long discussion, I type far too slowly for that.
The FDA is a very careful, sometimes cripplingly so, organization. The idea that they let poisons into our food and only organic can save us is wrong.[/quote]
Exactly and infact organic food is more dangerous.
All of you making various claims in this thread better start backin’ that shit up with some proof or valid articles…
[quote]TomKaminski wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
It’s the organic food industry as well as health zealots that say our food is full of toxins.
Look, I’m not going to get into some long discussion, I type far too slowly for that.
The FDA is a very careful, sometimes cripplingly so, organization. The idea that they let poisons into our food and only organic can save us is wrong.[/quote]
Exactly and infact organic food is more dangerous. [/quote]
gonna have to bite here. how can organic be more dangerous. if a pig is left to wander around outside in lets say an orchard eating watever it wants, and lets sat we kill, cook and eat said pig, are you saying this is more dangerous than if we cook and eat some supermarket pork kept in a shed and fed specialy prepared processed pig nuts. i know organic tastes better, but would not consider this dangerous, apart from the damage it does to your wallet mind!
Well, this may sound wacky, but I think all pesticides are harmless to humans in any amount that we would normally eat.
When you hear someone say that a certain chemical causes cancer it may be true…if you eat 50lbs of a product that uses that pesticide and do that every day for a long time.
I read somewhere (no help to those that want references) that plants themselves produce many of their own pesticides.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Pausteurized Non-organic Milk ( The milk you find EVERYWHERE ) = Shit shit shit.
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Ehhhh…
Not going to wade into the debate on if organic food is good or not, but this sort of preaching is kinda screwed up.
Pasteurized milk is good for you. Whether the “organic” “raw” kind is better is a matter for debate but the stuff in the store is not gonna kill you thats for sure.
Milk is an essential (and cheap) part of any growing teens diet, and a great food for bodybuilding. The majority of people in college certainly can’t afford to drink a large amount of raw milk, unless you’ve got a trust fund or something…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Jesus Christ dude, making fun of someone who’s dyslexic by intentionally misspelling words is a huge dick move. Shit like this is why this site is kind of a joke. The guy presented a valid opinion and instead of engaging in articulate discussion he gets blasted for his thoughts and made fun of for his disability. Stay classy T-Nation.[/quote]
I see one mispelled word. “wouldn’t”.
Calm down.
Was his opinion ‘valid’? Really? You didn’t hear a counter argument as of your post. How could you know it’s valid?
The claim that ‘organic food is bad because it’s stupid’ is pretty far down on the validity list, IMO.
[quote]TomKaminski wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
It’s the organic food industry as well as health zealots that say our food is full of toxins.
Look, I’m not going to get into some long discussion, I type far too slowly for that.
The FDA is a very careful, sometimes cripplingly so, organization. The idea that they let poisons into our food and only organic can save us is wrong.[/quote]
Exactly and infact organic food is more dangerous. [/quote]
This is absurd.
Prove it.
I had a few paragraphs typed up, but forget it. Just prove what you just said.
Prove that it is a FACT that organic food is more dangerous.
Ok let me just touch on the subject of all food has a risk of containing pathogens this is true but we treat it so to minimise risk. Such as not eating high risk food raw. This is what is done with milk and not with raw milk and that is why it is potencially more dangerous.
I’m too busy at the moment to formulate a argument about organic food but will be back on later and sit down to give you references, and hopefully studies if you I can find my notes.
I do not ask for you to take my word for things, the perpose of this is to get you to question things. So I ask why do you belive raw milk is good? There must be a reason other then Mr meadows (not that I don’t agree with everything he says) told me or incert bodybuilder/ “nutritionists” name here said so.
And please no coments like this is rubish. Because I said so that just makes you look silly and childish. Question things don’t exept everything you read. Have a reason for your beliefs rather than because someone bigger then me said so…
[quote]TomKaminski wrote:
Ok let me just touch on the subject of all food has a risk of containing pathogens this is true but we treat it so to minimise risk. Such as not eating high risk food raw. This is what is done with milk and not with raw milk and that is why it is potencially more dangerous.
I’m too busy at the moment to formulate a argument about organic food but will be back on later and sit down to give you references, and hopefully studies if you I can find my notes.
I do not ask for you to take my word for things, the perpose of this is to get you to question things. So I ask why do you belive raw milk is good? There must be a reason other then Mr meadows (not that I don’t agree with everything he says) told me or incert bodybuilder/ “nutritionists” name here said so.
And please no coments like this is rubish. Because I said so that just makes you look silly and childish. Question things don’t exept everything you read. Have a reason for your beliefs rather than because someone bigger then me said so…[/quote]
The purported benefits of raw milk were already addressed on page one.
You have made multiple posts about how you know organic food or raw milk (whichever youre arguing against at this point, I certainly dont know as you keep jumping back and forth as if theyre the same thing) is bad/dangerous/stupid. Yet you also say that you dont have time to get into why. But ask why others believe what they believe.
The burden is on YOU at this point. YOU have made the claims completely bucking the trend. To flip the discussion around is what some people label as ‘trolling’. If you want to be taken seriously start making posts with some substance.
[quote]TomKaminski wrote:
please no coments like this is rubish because I said so, that just makes you look silly and childish. [/quote]
This is exactly what you have done in each of your posts. Stop it or go away. Troll a different board if this is what youre into.
Gawd damn, what is with the reaction here? You all act like he is attacking your kids or something.
I personally haven’t seen enough data to convince that I NEED organic foods or that my body will literally show a measurable benefit from them that can be DIRECTLY linked to consuming more of those products.
I honestly think this boils down to preference more than anything else.
Eat all the organic foods you want if you see a benefit from doing so…but I haven’t seen anyone linking articles or studies PROVING the direct benefit to people who eat like many of us anyway.
Elevate the damned discussion instead of reducing all of them to this.
People COULD be learning right now…if the juvenile attacks could stop for a minute.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gawd damn, what is with the reaction here? You all act like he is attacking your kids or something.
I personally haven’t seen enough data to convince that I NEED organic foods or that my body will literally show a measurable benefit from them that can be DIRECTLY linked to consuming more of those products.
I honestly think this boils down to preference more than anything else.
Eat all the organic foods you want if you see a benefit from doing so…but I haven’t seen anyone linking articles or studies PROVING the direct benefit to people who eat like many of us anyway.
Elevate the damned discussion instead of reducing all of them to this.
People COULD be learning right now…if the juvenile attacks could stop for a minute.
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I know you arent talking to me because Ive said nothing juvenile, but I’ll reply to clarify something.
This guy isnt just saying that organic food is no more beneficial than ‘regular’ food. He’s saying that it’s MORE HARMFUL. That is a bold claim that requires substantiation.
It seems as if you dont realize this discussion is in the process of being elevated, because you couldnt even spot the issue at controversy. The people questioning the british guy posting are simply asking for information that backs up his claims. As someone who just said that you havent seen enough data to sway you one way or the other it would seem like YOU, of all people, would want this guy to substantiate his claims.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gawd damn, what is with the reaction here? You all act like he is attacking your kids or something.
I personally haven’t seen enough data to convince that I NEED organic foods or that my body will literally show a measurable benefit from them that can be DIRECTLY linked to consuming more of those products.
I honestly think this boils down to preference more than anything else.
Eat all the organic foods you want if you see a benefit from doing so…but I haven’t seen anyone linking articles or studies PROVING the direct benefit to people who eat like many of us anyway.
Elevate the damned discussion instead of reducing all of them to this.
People COULD be learning right now…if the juvenile attacks could stop for a minute.
[/quote]
Well, when it comes to performance, organic vs. regular isn’t as important as when we’re talking overall health and longevity IMO.
Eating regular store bought beef over grass fed beef is not as good in terms of health as it is a pro-inflammatory due to the types of fats in it whereas grass fed beef has a higher ratio of healthier fats (similar to that of wild salmon etc).
There are other examples, but that’s just one that came to mind.
In terms of health, grass fed is better than grain fed (the norm), but it probably won’t affect performance.
This guy is like the RogueVampire of nutrition science.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Raw Milk = food of the gods
Pausteurized Organic Milk = it’s alright…
Pausteurized Non-organic Milk ( The milk you find EVERYWHERE ) = Shit shit shit.
This sums it up.
I only wish I knew this a few years before.[/quote]
100% correct.