MODOk…you already know what I am going to say about that study, right?
[quote]MODOK wrote:
[quote]TITOV BIG BOY wrote:
Don’t get worked up MODOK, there are plenty of people that can be given reams of information and still not get it. As an aspiring author you’ll need to except that.
I find it interesting that today, mankind thinks that the natural products we have consumed for hundreds if not thousands of years, can be improved upon or altered. Mass grains for high populations aside, they should just leave it the hell alone.[/quote]
Oh, I’m not worked up or upset. I’m sorry if its coming off that way, I didn’t mean it to. We have good, sometimes lively discussions. Its enjoyable and educational to hear all sides of an issue. Its the best tool for learning that I know of.[/quote]
You forget that many here have turned every discussion into a popularity contest. Sides get chosen just so people can yell at each other.
I may think MODOK is a hippy for his stance here, but it isn’t like I have no respect for him.
MODOK- how do you get your raw milk? sorry if I’ve missed it in this thread
My anecdotal experience also tells me there’s something to the benefits of raw milk. Growing up we were given raw goat milk (countryside in Spain). I wouldn’t drink it, but my 3 siblings did. I was the only one to develop allergies later in life. We are obviously very similar genetically, grew up in the same environment, and for the most part ate the same foods. The thought of drinking raw goat milk seemed disgusting to me…maybe I should’ve forced it down. There could be other reasons for my allergies, but hearing that there are studies that echo this experience makes me think that maybe there’s something to it.
A newborn will triple its body weight in around a year ----> Babies drink milk. ----> Milk makes you triple your body weight in a year!!!
Makes sense right?
I needs me some of that magical liquid.
-Zep
Don’t know if anyone has linked this site yet, but here it is:
My opinion on the topic of raw milk vs ‘regular’ milk is that raw milk is superior from a health standpoint, not necessarily from performance though. The enzymes exist in raw milk also help with digestion overall, which is certainly a benefit. Also, if you’re getting regular milk, the fat in it will most likely be inferior quality due to the cow likely being fed grains instead of being grass fed (assuming your raw milk is gotten from a farm where the cows are grassfed).
Also, if you want another respected opinion, read some of John Meadows’ views on raw milk vs. pasteurized milk, but I’m sure at this point, all that have issue with raw milk have already thoroughly examined the literature to make their conclusions.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MODOk…you already know what I am going to say about that study, right?[/quote]
Of course. You are never going to find a population study worth a damn on anything, especially a nutrition study and one that relies on self-reporting. But thats the entire problem with nutrition science, it really can’t be studied scientifically as we can study genetics or chemistry. The mainstream studies that everyone sites are also extremely flawed like these studies, relying on questionaires with questions like " how much margerine have you eaten per week each of the last 12 weeks. Nevertheless, I guess if they want to play on that ball field, we have to play on it as well…so I post the studies favorable to my position.
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It’s not just that. That study was clearly set up by people who wanted to see a positive benefit from raw milk. That bias can affect how you even look for data. A questionnaire and an allergy test is what is now being talked about on raw milk forums across the globe as the definitive “proof” of raw milk benefits.
If anything, that study simply showed that kids who grow up on a farm MAY have less respiratory issues or less allergies.
I mean, in general throughout history, farm kids are assumed to be more healthy than kids who grew up on X-Box and Fruit Loops.
I just know most people throwing this study around likely haven’t even read it or they don’t understand what they are really looking at.
Kids in cities are exposed to much higher levels of pollution.
I’ve talked to people who grew up in small towns, and one of the first things they notice when moving here is the level of pollution.
I’d be more inclined to believe rural kids are less likely to develop asthma and allergies because of their lower exposure to pollutants.
Not because they drink raw milk.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I just know most people throwing this study around likely haven’t even read it or they don’t understand what they are really looking at.[/quote]
Sadly that’s the case with most studies.
[quote]qsar wrote:
My anecdotal experience also tells me there’s something to the benefits of raw milk. Growing up we were given raw goat milk (countryside in Spain). I wouldn’t drink it, but my 3 siblings did. I was the only one to develop allergies later in life. We are obviously very similar genetically, grew up in the same environment, and for the most part ate the same foods. The thought of drinking raw goat milk seemed disgusting to me…maybe I should’ve forced it down. There could be other reasons for my allergies, but hearing that there are studies that echo this experience makes me think that maybe there’s something to it.[/quote]
similar story here. as a child of the 70’s i came from a large ish family with access to the family farm. we grew up on raw milk fresh from the cow," rich jersey milk that was about 30% cream" (mouth watering just thinking about it). to be honest, in those days hygene wasn’t given much consideration to be honest, cow was milked, filtered through an old cloth to get the bits of crap out, chilled and drunk. sometimes while still warm. myself and my family have never had food alergies, or rarely even get stomach bugs or any kind of gastro illnesses.
i have no problem with pasteruized milk per se, in fact i expect it probably is much better in the uk anyway, (grass fed is pretty standard).
(and yes i am am a bit of an old hippy)
I honestly think that the milk we get is some genetically mutated superfood, for the worst and for the best.
These cows are pumped with hormones and growth factors, and don’t tell me there’s no consequence on the milk.
I am northern european so I am practically 100% lactose tolerant. I never get an irritated stomach or gas no matter how much I drink.
I do, however, experience other things.
Milk makes me bloat like no other food does. I mean some serious bloat, holding alot of water and looking puffed.
It also helps me put on mass better than any food. It seriously feels anabolic.
And on the downside, it gives me bad acne. I am practically acne free save the occasional pimple here and there, but when I start drinking milk heavily and frequently, it’s like I went back to puberty.
I am 100% sure all these things are to blame on all the hormones we pump into cows.
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
I am 100% sure all these things are to blame on all the hormones we pump into cows.[/quote]
lol
o rly?
I got raw milk today for the first time…had to drive 30 mins for it…haven’t cracked it open yet. Tomorrow I will be drinking it and eating my cap’n crunch with this stuff. I hope it doesn’t taste as good as people tell me…because then I’ll probably go through the entire gallon in one day…
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
I honestly think that the milk we get is some genetically mutated superfood, for the worst and for the best.
These cows are pumped with hormones and growth factors, and don’t tell me there’s no consequence on the milk.
I am northern european so I am practically 100% lactose tolerant. I never get an irritated stomach or gas no matter how much I drink.
I do, however, experience other things.
Milk makes me bloat like no other food does. I mean some serious bloat, holding alot of water and looking puffed.
It also helps me put on mass better than any food. It seriously feels anabolic.
And on the downside, it gives me bad acne. I am practically acne free save the occasional pimple here and there, but when I start drinking milk heavily and frequently, it’s like I went back to puberty.
I am 100% sure all these things are to blame on all the hormones we pump into cows.[/quote]
With 60% of the men in this country with some form of gyno, I would blame your environment way more than “growth hormone and steroid infused milk” that is supposedly causing havoc with your hormone levels.
I mean…it could just be your diet and your own tolerances…but naw, let’s blame it on the hormones.
[quote]alit4 wrote:
[quote]qsar wrote:
My anecdotal experience also tells me there’s something to the benefits of raw milk. Growing up we were given raw goat milk (countryside in Spain). I wouldn’t drink it, but my 3 siblings did. I was the only one to develop allergies later in life. We are obviously very similar genetically, grew up in the same environment, and for the most part ate the same foods. The thought of drinking raw goat milk seemed disgusting to me…maybe I should’ve forced it down. There could be other reasons for my allergies, but hearing that there are studies that echo this experience makes me think that maybe there’s something to it.[/quote]
similar story here. as a child of the 70’s i came from a large ish family with access to the family farm. we grew up on raw milk fresh from the cow," rich jersey milk that was about 30% cream" (mouth watering just thinking about it). to be honest, in those days hygene wasn’t given much consideration to be honest, cow was milked, filtered through an old cloth to get the bits of crap out, chilled and drunk. sometimes while still warm. myself and my family have never had food alergies, or rarely even get stomach bugs or any kind of gastro illnesses.
i have no problem with pasteruized milk per se, in fact i expect it probably is much better in the uk anyway, (grass fed is pretty standard).
(and yes i am am a bit of an old hippy)
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…but, I grew up on store bought milk…have no food allergies and rarely get stomach bugs.
Do I blame that on store bought milk?
That’s what all of you are doing.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
I honestly think that the milk we get is some genetically mutated superfood, for the worst and for the best.
These cows are pumped with hormones and growth factors, and don’t tell me there’s no consequence on the milk.
I am northern european so I am practically 100% lactose tolerant. I never get an irritated stomach or gas no matter how much I drink.
I do, however, experience other things.
Milk makes me bloat like no other food does. I mean some serious bloat, holding alot of water and looking puffed.
It also helps me put on mass better than any food. It seriously feels anabolic.
And on the downside, it gives me bad acne. I am practically acne free save the occasional pimple here and there, but when I start drinking milk heavily and frequently, it’s like I went back to puberty.
I am 100% sure all these things are to blame on all the hormones we pump into cows.[/quote]
With 60% of the men in this country with some form of gyno, I would blame your environment way more than “growth hormone and steroid infused milk” that is supposedly causing havoc with your hormone levels.
I mean…it could just be your diet and your own tolerances…but naw, let’s blame it on the hormones.[/quote]
‘My’ enviroment?
What enviroment, exactly?
Modok,
Pasteurized organic milk is available to me, but raw milk is not.
Is it still worth buying over the standard stuff?
For those who love milk and what it does for the body, but not necessarily the watery shits and death farts, try taking probiotics and eating a little greek yogurt. My body used to lynch my intestines every time I’d have a glass, but now it barely gives me gas.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Bovine hormones are also biologically active in primates like ourselves. We all know bb who take tren acetate in the form of finaplix, a bovine hormone. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that rBGH also has biological activity in our body? Do you trust commercial operations, who make their money on volume and weight of an animal, to tell you that? If so, you are much more trusting than I am. I have seen too many people harmed by industrial mistakes initially deemed “harmless” by industry.
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That’s a good point, but the oral bioavailability of rBGH has got to be nil…not fair to compare it to injected tren.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
I honestly think that the milk we get is some genetically mutated superfood, for the worst and for the best.
These cows are pumped with hormones and growth factors, and don’t tell me there’s no consequence on the milk.
I am northern european so I am practically 100% lactose tolerant. I never get an irritated stomach or gas no matter how much I drink.
I do, however, experience other things.
Milk makes me bloat like no other food does. I mean some serious bloat, holding alot of water and looking puffed.
It also helps me put on mass better than any food. It seriously feels anabolic.
And on the downside, it gives me bad acne. I am practically acne free save the occasional pimple here and there, but when I start drinking milk heavily and frequently, it’s like I went back to puberty.
I am 100% sure all these things are to blame on all the hormones we pump into cows.[/quote]
With 60% of the men in this country with some form of gyno, I would blame your environment way more than “growth hormone and steroid infused milk” that is supposedly causing havoc with your hormone levels.
I mean…it could just be your diet and your own tolerances…but naw, let’s blame it on the hormones.[/quote]
Bovine hormones are also biologically active in primates like ourselves. We all know bb who take tren acetate in the form of finaplix, a bovine hormone. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that rBGH also has biological activity in our body? Do you trust commercial operations, who make their money on volume and weight of an animal, to tell you that? If so, you are much more trusting than I am. I have seen too many people harmed by industrial mistakes initially deemed “harmless” by industry.
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Bodybuilders using trenbolone are injecting it.
For all I know, eating a finaplix pellet will result in a finaplix pellet (or parts of it) in your stool the next day.
Now if people start injecting cow meat laced with hormones, or cow milk laced with hormones, we might have a problem. Im not so sure that eating hormones designed for injection will have any noticeable effect. The oral bioavailibility of esterified hormones is pretty bad, as you know.