Hey guys!!I am loking for some short cycles bridges adequately over a long period in order to gain sufficient lean mass and body weight at the same time.My first cycle was productive but tis been 8 months now and am looking forward to gaining at least 12- 15lbs of lean muscle mass over the next few months.I earlier had the idea of going in for a 16 week cycle terminating in a competition starting sometime in january.Chuck diesel clarified that such a cycle might not give me the kinda gains i was looking for and that i hould go in for some short cycles.Pl suggest how i ned to go about it.How short should the cycles be?and should they also incorporate bulking and cutting or should they be ones that dont hold too much water or should they be bulkingin one cycle and cutting in the next cycle.Pl elaborate on how it has to be spaced.
My previous cycle was
Weeks 1-4
D-bol 20mg ed
Deca 300mg/week
Sustanon 100mg/ed(250mged for the first 3 days of week1)
week 5-8
D-bol 30mg for week 5 alone
Sustanon 100mg ed
Deca 300mg/week
Weeks 9-12
winnytabs 40mg ed
PCT weeks 13-16
HCG 5000 I.U./week for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mg ed
Clomid 50 mg ed
Why wouldn’t you be able to gain the 12-15 pounds you are looking for on a 16 week cycle?
The cycle i was suggested was this
Week 1:
CYP/ENAN @ 600MG
DIANABOL @ 25 MG/DAY
Week 2:
DECADURABOLIN @ 300MG
EQ @ 300MG
DIANABOL @ 25 MG/DAY
Week 3:
CYP/ENAN @ 600MG
DIANABOL @ 25 MG/DAY
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
Week 4:
DECADURABOLIN @ 300MG
EQ @ 300MG
DIANABOL @ 25 MG/DAY
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
Weeks 1-4:
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
PROVIRON @ 25MG/DAY IF NEEDED
Week 5:
PROVIRON @ 25MG/DAY
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
CLENBUTEROL @ 40MCG/DAY ON DAY 1&2
@ 60MCG/DAY ON DAY 5&6
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
Week 6:
PROVIRON @ 25MG/DAY
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
CLENBUTEROL @ 80MCG/DAY ON DAY 1,2,5,6
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
Week 7:
CLENBUTEROL @ 100MCG/DAY ON DAY 1,2,5,6
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
Week 8:
CLENBUTEROL @ 120MCG/DAY ON DAY 1,2,5,6
Week 9&10:
OFF
Week 11:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
Week 12:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
CLEN @ 80MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
Week 13:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
CLEN @ 80MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
Week 14:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
CLEN @ 100MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
Week 15:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
CLEN @ 120MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
Week 16:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
CLEN @ 120MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
Week 17:
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
HCG @ 500iu/DAY
CLOMID @ 100MG/DAY
Week 18:
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
HCG @ 500iu/DAY
CLOMID @ 50MG/DAY
Week 19:
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
HCG @ 500iu/DAY(IF NEEDED)
CLOMID @ 50MG/DAY
I guess this wouldn’t help me gain 12-15 lbs of lean mass atleast that’s what i believe,from this cycle.If so could suggest some changes to this cycle or help me put together an altogether new cycle.Also i can’t find any T3 out here.Pl reply asap.
I don’t understand your use of long acting esters weeks 1-4, then a 5 week break, then an even long acting undecanoate ester in 11-16 with a bunch of short ones.
So in essence your going to be on for probably over 20 weeks until the undecanoate finally leaves your system and with some very inconsistent blood levels to boot.
Why would you run a cycle like this?
Did ChuckDiesel suggest you do this? If so ask him to explain it in under a thousand words being concise and using paragraphs.
Looks ugly to me.
why proviron? this doesn’t seem to fit. perhaps an armatase inhibitor like arimidex or letrozole (the latter being preffered) could be used during aromatizable compounds. also there seems to be no addressing of HPTA recovery between the two cycles and perhaps the second cycle could use a little more recovery planning. also supplements are layered in
Hey!This was aimed at terminating in a competition i intended cometing in.It was only later that i told him that i was looking forward to bulking up first and then cutting up.He suggested that it wouldn’t be wise to waste time tryin to lose all the water that i would have retained during the bulking phase and the reasons for those weeks 1-4 having long acting esters alternating and ending abruplty ,i believe was to not shut down HPTA completely and then again start kicking in some cutting gear.Later when i mentioned i was looking to put on some 15lbs of lean body mass and that i thought bulking up heavily and cutting up later would make sense,that he suggested i go in for some short cycles that i dropped the idea.Now that i intend starting a cycle i do not kno how to go about it,either i go in for short cycles spread over the next 6 months or go in all out for a bulking cycle using say D-bol,anadrol,deca and test enanthate and cut up later using winny,eq,HGh.IPl let me kno how i need to go about it.I am right now competing in Flyweight categiry and intend moving up to bantam weight for which i would need to put on at least 12-15 lbs of quality lean muscle.Pl reply asap.
14-16 weeks is not a short cycle. 6-8 weeks is more like it. I have been doing this 6 on 6 off for over a year with steady gains. I use 600mg cyp/wk 400mg deca/wk and 200 primo a week. I loose very little in the off cycle.
I forgot cleanup. Week 1 150mg/day clomid with one androgel pack. Weeks 2-3 100 mg clomid with androgel pack. last 3 weeks clomid at 50 mg per day.
That sounds more like cuting cycle.Also how much gains can i expect from a cycle like that?Also they say that the time off should be twice the time on.Also wouldn’t i need some bromo for the deca part.I find a cycle without enethate unconvincing though i havnt used enanthate bfoe only sust,tis true that from a cycle like this.Ican expect to retain most of the gains still Pl Elaborate on the gains i can expect!!.
If your worried about water retention because your planning to compete then buy arimidex. You should be able to use test, deca, dbol, or whatever and not have much water retention if your one of those people that really gets bloated.
And you obviously know that your diet is the key when on a cutting or bulking cycle, so don’t get too hung up on the idea that you have to use specific steroids for cutting or bulking.
No one can tell you what gains to expect or how much you will retain, it depends on you. We have no idea how dedicated you are to eating right, working out hard, and getting enough rest.
How long do you suggest this cycle be?
Also test, dbol& deca would mean considerable loss of gains post cycle. Pl suggest an 8 week cycle using deca,dbol,test,eq,Winny. Also let me kno if these can be incorporated in an 8 week cycle for lean mass gains or should it be a longer cycle. I suppose a longer cycle would warrant longer time off makiing it difficult to bridge or star another cycle.Suggestions pl.