Hey guys!!! I intend going in for my 2nd cycle,also competing at the end of it.I intend going in for a 16 week cycle culminating at the competition.
My previous cycle was
Weeks 1-4
D-bol 20mg ed
Deca 300mg/week
Sustanon 100mg/ed(250mged for the first 3 days of week1)
week 5-8
D-bol 30mg for week 5 alone
Sustanon 100mg ed
Deca 300mg/week
Weeks 9-12
winnytabs 40mg ed
PCT weeks 13-16
HCG 5000 I.U./week for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mg ed
Clomid 50 mg ed
i intend going in for a more advanced cycle this time incorporating Masteron,Eq and HGH.I am not sure how i need to stack them.I am looking for gains in size initially and end up with a good degree of vascularity.Reply asap.
if you have 16 weeks before the show, then why don’t you run a bulking cycle for around 3-5 weeks and then do minor pct for your HPTA then run another cutting cycle for around 4-8 weeks leading up to and for about a week or two after the show? if you keep the bulk cycle short you will not cause as much HPTA shutdown and will rebound much better after the show is over by having that short off period in the middle of your contest prep. in the off weeks between the bulking and cutting protocols you could also employ some thyroid drugs along with the hcg and insulin to promote a synergistic post cycle anti-catabolic and somewhat anabolic off period, while positively affecting the amount of thermalgenesis occuring during that third, fourth, or fifth week of dieting, depending on how long you intended the bulking cycle to last. You may or may not be aware that after two to three weeks of dieting your thyroid levels will have decreased anywhere from ~20-50% depending on how severe the caloric restriction was from the onset of the diet. by employing a new protocol of drugs, esp. hGH and thyroid drugs you can hopefully delay this level from suppressing any further, if you catch it early enough, and increase total thermalgenesis while allowing yourself to resensitize and possibly up-regulate androgen receptors in preparation for your next hopefully densely packed androgenic cycle. the suggestion i made about taking your cycle past your competition date by a week or two is really quite simple if you think about it! what do most competitive bodybuilders do the minute after a show is over? they partake in TBA (Total Buffet Annihilation) and gorge themselves with ungodly amounts of food. Thus causing massive anabolism and great gains for around one to three or four weeks after the show depending on how depleted and strict their precontest prep was. So, in leu of the suggestion of running the cycle post contest for one to two weeks you can capatalize on a double-whammy, if you will. With the huge gorge-fest taking place and the increased anabolic environment from using AAS and breaking a several week long fast, you can only imagine the type of gains made while taking in this amount of muscle building foods. and not to mention awesome…no, unbelieveable pumps in the gym and sick weights for having just competed and being so much weaker than you usually were. i hope this helps and if you need more information on types of cycles for bulking(i hate that term, i prefer something like cycles with little concerns for holding water and appearing smooth or something, because we all know diet determines whether you really bulk or not, so remember that in your choices) or contest prep cycles then either shout back at me or check out some articles by Cy Willson, I think one is ironically called steroid dieting or something to that nature, and on a last note if this is your second cycle then you shouldn’t need the exotic drugs that you mentioned, i.e. masteron. Tren, prop., winny, primo, anavar, deca and eq could make for two great cycles, but if you have the masteron already then i’d probably use it for the second cycle right up to or through the contest. hope this helps some, good luck
Thanks Bro!That was kinda informative jus’ that i could only get the outline of what you said.Could you please put it in the form of an ideal cycle that’d fit my requirements?The bulkin cycle,bridge and cutting cycle.Reply asap.Diet has not been much of a problem for me.
no problem on helping set up the protocol. just need to know a few things about you and your current status, plus what you have already purchased or what you have available to you. just need to know what i’m working with here if you know what i’m saying? the more you have available to you, the better off things will be, but not necessarily the more you’ll need. so remember that when you’re thinking about what you can and can’t get ahold of, and even let me know how you felt during your previous cycle, how long after you ceased administration did it take your HPTA to return to normal, what drugs you have problems with (ie. gyno, prolactin, serious headaches, etc.) and how much you have to spend on these extra goodies, you know, a whole lot, not much, as much as you need to, blah blah blah. also if you’ve recently had any blood work done then some numbers that stick out to you that may be of importance to me like test levels, free and bound, thyroid, liver values, glucose readings, etc. anything will help and i’ll get back to you asap
Hey let me explain to you.I xan get deca, sust, test enanthate, HGH and Eq, Winny depot & tabs. I can try to get mastabol (masteron) thai make. i am from india and these stuff except HGH aren’t very expensive out here. Also the last time i went thro a cycle it was great had no problems of the kind u mentioned, did have traces of gyno but subsided during PCT as for Blood Work i didn’t do any,was lazy to hav on done. Things r absolutely normal now i guess. I happened to hav diarrohea for a day after about a week of stopping D-Bol. Now i am experiencing some hair loss around the center of my head. Also hav managedto retain about 75-80% of gains. As for the stuff i can’t get out here they are the rest like test cyp, primobolan, tren, etc…
Pl help me in designing an ideal cycle in the lines of the one you were hinting. I intend starting it only sometime in Oct 04. Reply asap.
vnkat, i’ll be out of town tomorrow but i’ll have some time while i’m there to help you put together a protocol. so look for my reply on sunday sometime in the afternoon to night time(eastern us time). hope that isn’t too long, but seeing that you aren’t starting til october then i assume that will be okay? til then, chuck
Thanks Bro!I’ll look out for it on sunday.
chuckdiesel: I would think that with your concern for side effects (ie./ recommending not doing a 16 weeker because of HPTA suppression) you would NEVER EVER recommend a beginner to use insulin. This is ridiculous advice, not to mention dangerous!!! Also, recommending using T3 while off cycle is a recipe for muscle loss. Very, very unwise…
This is a contest prep cycle, I don’t think 16 weeks is unrealistic.
First, I would recommend you use a weekend protocol for your HCG rather than waiting for your nuts to shrink to raisens before you use it (see Chotto’s thread).
Second, GH use is pretty much all based on budget. If you could afford 4IUs a day for 4 months, do it!
Third, why don’t you post a cycle and have us critique it rather than asking us to do the work for you.
archaic: First off, insulin use is dangerous for everyone, no matter whether they are a beginner or whether they have earned a pro status, etc. however there are ways to utilize insulin in a synergistic manner with GH and T3 in order to preserve lean mass during off periods of AAS usage. Go research the effects of T3, Clen, GH and Insulin and then try and think outside the box about ideas such as androgen receptor upregulation, increased protein synthesis, increased glucose sensitivity, anti-catabolic environments, etc. When used together you cause actions that will in turn further future AAS success.
Second of all a 16 week pre contest cycle would probably be alright for some people, but may not be for others. VNKAT is a newbie to AAS usage and will benefit from whatever he does, but why the hell not go ahead and utilize a protocol that will allow for the most muscle mass retention and the most room to still make adjustments in his future cycles? I am thinking long term as well as this specific precontest prep. I’m sure if this is his second cycle then he’s probably got a lot of growing to do with many other competitions in his future.
Third, I honestly don’t feel that he will need the T3, hGH, Insulin for this prep as the sides are a more risky, especially to novice AAS users. I simply stated an alternative to his proposed cycle in his first post, so don’t go putting words in my mouth, please. I said he could use, not i would recommend him to use. I was stating alternative methods to week after week of AAS usage for months on end.
Fourth: VNKAT took an open mind to my suggestions and asked for advice on what I was suggesting. So, in that sense I don’t believe that you should tell him to post a sample cycle, as he is trying to get the foundation behind the types of ideas I presented to him. So as for us doing all the work for him, I don’t believe that was his intentions, and if it was then I wouldn’t have been as likely to take the time to give him my suggestions.
Fifth: I’m not trying to be an ass but as I read back over this I kind of took that approach, I think? Sorry about that but your post’s tone sent me down that path.
That;s fine but i guess u were busy answering archaic’s post.You havn’t got down to my query yet on designing one on the lines you mentioned.Also i can’t get T-3 inthis part of the world.As for GH usage, how long does it take to see the results?Does it help in hardening the muscle gained from a mass cycle,say using D-bol,deca and test Enanthate.If so how long does it take to do so?If it works well with winny then should it reduce the period i need to be on GH,does using primo alongside do any good?Let em kno more on this asap.
Week 1:
CYP/ENAN @ 600MG
DIANABOL @ 25 MG/DAY
Week 2:
DECADURABOLIN @ 300MG
EQ @ 300MG
DIANABOL @ 25 MG/DAY
Week 3:
CYP/ENAN @ 600MG
DIANABOL @ 25 MG/DAY
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
Week 4:
DECADURABOLIN @ 300MG
EQ @ 300MG
DIANABOL @ 25 MG/DAY
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
Weeks 1-4:
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
PROVIRON @ 25MG/DAY IF NEEDED
Week 5:
PROVIRON @ 25MG/DAY
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
CLENBUTEROL @ 40MCG/DAY ON DAY 1&2
@ 60MCG/DAY ON DAY 5&6
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
Week 6:
PROVIRON @ 25MG/DAY
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
CLENBUTEROL @ 80MCG/DAY ON DAY 1,2,5,6
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
Week 7:
CLENBUTEROL @ 100MCG/DAY ON DAY 1,2,5,6
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
Week 8:
CLENBUTEROL @ 120MCG/DAY ON DAY 1,2,5,6
Week 9&10:
OFF
Week 11:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
Week 12:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
CLEN @ 80MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
Week 13:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
CLEN @ 80MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
Week 14:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T3 @ 25MCG/DAY FOR 2-ON/1-OFF
CLEN @ 100MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
Week 15:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
CLEN @ 120MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
Week 16:
DYNABOLIN-
(NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE)
@ 322MG(4ml) 2ml ON MON & THURS
WINNY V @ 150MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
T. PROP. @ 300MG (HALF MON & HALF THURS)
TREN @ 225MG(3ml) 1ml ON MON,WED,FRI
CLEN @ 120MCG/DAY (2-ON/2-OFF)
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
Week 17:
BROMOCRIPTINE @ 2.5MG/DAY
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
HCG @ 500iu/DAY
CLOMID @ 100MG/DAY
Week 18:
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
HCG @ 500iu/DAY
CLOMID @ 50MG/DAY
Week 19:
NOLVADEX @ 10-20MG/DAY
HCG @ 500iu/DAY(IF NEEDED)
CLOMID @ 50MG/DAY
vnkat,
I HOPE THIS HELPS, BUT I KNOW IT WON’T BE PERFECT FOR YOU. I HOPE YOU ALSO GET THE GIST OF WHAT I AM TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH DURING THESE CYCLES. THE ALTERNATING OF TEST CYP/ENAN AND DECA-EQ ALLOWS FOR WASHOUT PERIODS FOR EACH POTENTIAL NEGATIVE EFFECT. BY USING THE ACTIVE LIFE OF EACH OF THE DRUGS YOU CAN TIME IT TO WHERE ONE IS DYING OUT AS THE OTHER BEGINS TO PEAK, THUS ALLOWING FOR CONSTANT CIRCULATORY PLASMA LEVELS, BUT MINIMIZING THE EXCESSIVE ON TIMES OF EACH INDIVIDUAL DRUG. BY DOING THIS YOU CAN UTILIZE MUCH HIGHER DOSAGES OF EACH DRUG WITH LESS CHANCE FOR SIDE EFFECTS FROM EXTENDED EXPOSURE. I ALSO COMBINED DECA AND EQ BECAUSE THE SYNERGISTIC EFFECTS OF THE DRUGS ADMINISTERED TOGETHER ALLOW FOR BETTER RESULTS THAN EITHER OF THE TWO DRUGS USED AT THE SAME DOSAGES ALONE. THE REST SHOULD BE EASILY UNDERSTOOD, AS IT JUST DEALS WITH ACTIONS AND REACTIONS. THE DYNABOLIN COULD BE SUBSTITUTED WITH DECA DURABOLIN, BUT IT IS MORE ANDROGENIC THAN DECA AND IS STRONGER MG FOR MG THAN DECA DUE TO IT’S ESTER WEIGHT, THUS ALLOWING FOR LOWER WEEKLY DOSAGES AND HOPEFULLY LESS WATER ACCUMULATION. I HOPE THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU AND HELPS BUT I’LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANYTHING YOU HAVE REGARDING DECISIONS I’VE MADE AND PROBLEMS YOU HAVE WITH GETTING AHOLD OF THINGS, IF WE NEED TO MAKE SOME EXCHANGES. BEST OF WISHES TO YOU AND LIKE I SAID TO ARCHAIC, IT’S YOUR OPEN MINDEDNESS THAT MADE ME TAKE THE TIME TO HELP YOU OUT IN THIS SITUATION. I HOPE FROM THIS YOU WILL LEARN SOMETHING NEW AND BE ABLE TO PUT MORE TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THESE IDEAS.
vnkat, i didn’t see your post before i posted mine regarding your protocol, so that’s why there is nothing specifically mentioned about your post. also, i see that you can’t get T3 in your part of the world, but i would suggest that you look elsewhere between now and then and try to get some as the dosages are low and will be beneficial to you, without the mentioned muscle loss during off periods. if you’re calories, esp protein, are right, you should minimize the amount of muscle loss that could occur from using T3. but if no luck then just leave it out and follow the rest to the best that it fits you. like i said, nothing will be perfect, and only you’ll know if the ideas i’ve presented are going to work in your favor or not.
regarding your questions on GH, the following statements made by Mr. Author Rea sum it up very well in my opinion.
"GH itself is not responsible for the majority of the effects seen from GH use. Actually GH is only a precursor to the so-called “good stuff”. When GH passes through the liver, it is converted into INSULIN-LIKE GROWTH FACTORS (such as IGF-1). IGF-1 is a very active but unstable chemical, which is why the body waits until the last second to make it naturally.
The liver has a limited capacity to convert excess GH into IGF-1 unless other chemical hormone levels are also elevated. Insulin, T-4/T-3 thyroid hormones, gonadotropins, androgens/anabolic hormones, and even estrogen and corticosteroids all play an important role in the positive effects of GH. So they too were often exogenously elevated in what was considered ?the correct ratios? by the largest of the self administering athletes. For the liver to convert high levels of GH to IGF-1 several times a day and cause a high quality anabolic response, it was commonly noted that T-3 thyroid hormone and insulin also needed be increased to accomplish the desired effect."
This statement is also what influenced the previous posts where i mentioned the synergistic effect of all three, GH, T3 and insulin. This is also why i left GH out of your protocol. I feel that you could spend your time and money on better things at this point that will benefit you in the future, while allowing you somewhere to turn to when things start to diminish in terms of results.
later, chuck
Do you really think cytomel(T3) would play a better role in retaining muscle mass ,than Masteron.i guees i can get thai masteron,mastabol.Wouldn’t that be better cutting aid.Also using so much of anti aromatase and inhibitors like Bromocriptine would suppress the effect of the Gear to a large extent.Do you think Bromocritpine is absolutely necessary to counter the side effects of Dynabolin.I didn’t use any in my last cycle where i used Deca@300mg/week for 8 weeks and didn’t see any problems.Pl elucidate.Also would i require front loading of Enathate?
[quote]vnkat wrote:
Do you really think cytomel(T3) would play a better role in retaining muscle mass ,than Masteron.i guees i can get thai masteron,mastabol.Wouldn’t that be better cutting aid.Also using so much of anti aromatase and inhibitors like Bromocriptine would suppress the effect of the Gear to a large extent.Do you think Bromocritpine is absolutely necessary to counter the side effects of Dynabolin.I didn’t use any in my last cycle where i used Deca@300mg/week for 8 weeks and didn’t see any problems.Pl elucidate.Also would i require front loading of Enathate?[/quote]
About the masteron being better at retaining muscle mass than cytomel(T3) I’m not sure in which instance you are talking about? If it’s the second, cutting cycle, then I would say no, because that’s not why I used the T3. You said you planned to compete at the end of the cycle, so I am using the T3 in order to allow you to get leaner at the end, when you’ll already be at a low calorie intake. As far as being a better cutting aid in general, then you have to look at what each drug is doing chemically speaking in the body. Masteron is a very strong androgen and therefore is binding to the androgen receptor and signaling an increase in protein synthesis. However, T3 is signaling an increase in total energy lost (used,burned) by increasing the actions of uncoupling proteins in the mitochondria of the cells, which will in turn utilize protein, carbs, and fats as energy and increase the amount of energy that can leak out of the cell as heat. So as far as cutting agents, in my opinion, as well as physiologically speaking, the T3 would be a better choice for cutting, and the Masteron would perhaps be a better choice for retaining muscle mass, if it were used correctly. I say correctly, because if it takes your total androgen count too high and you have a tough time recovering your HPTA afterwards then it was a crappy choice for retaining muscle mass, whereas T3 could have been the better choice due to the fact that it has the ability to help clear androgen receptor sites, which could help in total HPTA revival and future AAS cycles. See my point. I chose T3 for the two forementioned reasons, but if you wanted to use the masteron, since you seem to really be infatuated with the drug? then I would either replace the weekly tren dosages for it, or either lower the tren and mix it in at lower dosages. However, I feel that this being your second cycle you will do fine with the total weekly dosages of drugs that I laid out, and honestly probably much less. I don’t like really high dosages when pretty low dosages will offer nice results and still allow for plenty of wiggle room in the future with your protocols and drug selections.
about the bromocriptine, it’s up to you. I like the drug a lot, period. I feel that it does more than help counter hyperprolactinemia. I have used it before without signs of prolactin buildup, or lowered dopamine transmission, etc., and have really appreciated what it did for my total metabolism and the ability to get leaner while dieting and eating lower calories and not wanting to drop down further. Lyle Mcdonald wrote a lot about “additional” uses of bromocriptine and if you search the net, you’ll find what i’m talking about. If not, I leave it up to you, but would suggest you take the time to research the other benefits. As you mentioned, the anti-estrogens may decrease the effects from the cycle somewhat, but to what cost does it affect you? If you develop gyno and have to receive surgery then that was a total bitch and you would have wished you had atleast used some more anti-estrogens, However, if you don’t get gyno and you get an additional 10% gains from the cycle, but your HPTA doesn’t recover as nicely as it should have and you lose 7% more than you would have if you had used the anti-estrogens, then hypothetically you only gained an additional 3% from not using them and took the risk for some serious side effects. Better safe and healthy, than ambitious and sorry, in my opinion. So if it were me, I’d go with the anti-e’s and get that hypothetical 3% on my next cycle, cause you got plenty of time to grow an don’t need any more problems than absolutely necessary.
I wouldn’t front load the enanthate, because I already gave you a fairly moderate to high dosage for being on your second cycle and believe that you will benefit nicely from just utilizing the alternating protocol between the test/eq/deca. don’t try to do more than what’s necessary to grow. you’ll have plenty of future cycles to worry about trying to front load your heavy androgens to totally saturate receptors from the start, but seeing as it is your second cycle and your androgen receptor count isn’t anywhere near as high as it will be, granted you continue to lift, eat, sleep, etc., in say two years from now. keep it simple for now and just plan your protocols with action/reaction in mind and you’ll do fine. I’ll let you try and figure out what the reaction from front loading your enanthate would be and tell me if it would truly benefit you and the rest of the cycles laid out ahead of you. for now, chuck
My previous cycle was
Weeks 1-4
D-bol 20mg ed
Deca 300mg/week
Sustanon 100mg/ed(250mged for the first 3 days of week1)
week 5-8
D-bol 30mg for week 5 alone
Sustanon 100mg ed
Deca 300mg/week
Weeks 9-12
winnytabs 40mg ed
PCT weeks 13-16
HCG 5000 I.U./week for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mg ed
Clomid 50 mg ed
Thank you for replying to my post in detail.I hav pastd my previous cycle jus to question the raionale behind
the low dosages of Deca and test that too for short periods of time.Also since my preivious cycle involved
hihgh dosages for a period of about 8 weeks , am dubious about the effects of such short deca usage in the
cycle you designed.After having hit the androgen sites so hard the first time am dubious about the effect of such short duration low dosage inj.Also would like to kno if i can couple sust with Test enathate
to utilise the sffects of the Propionate and decanoate esters from sust whilst using the long acting enathate at the same time. I would like to have you views on that.
As for tren i am not sure about it’s availability here,havn’t done my searching yet. Suggestions Pl.
[quote]vnkat wrote:
My previous cycle was
Weeks 1-4
D-bol 20mg ed
Deca 300mg/week
Sustanon 100mg/ed(250mged for the first 3 days of week1)
week 5-8
D-bol 30mg for week 5 alone
Sustanon 100mg ed
Deca 300mg/week
Weeks 9-12
winnytabs 40mg ed
PCT weeks 13-16
HCG 5000 I.U./week for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mg ed
Clomid 50 mg ed
Thank you for replying to my post in detail.I hav pastd my previous cycle jus to question the raionale behind
the low dosages of Deca and test that too for short periods of time.Also since my preivious cycle involved
hihgh dosages for a period of about 8 weeks , am dubious about the effects of such short deca usage in the
cycle you designed.After having hit the androgen sites so hard the first time am dubious about the effect of such short duration low dosage inj.Also would like to kno if i can couple sust with Test enathate
to utilise the sffects of the Propionate and decanoate esters from sust whilst using the long acting enathate at the same time. I would like to have you views on that.
As for tren i am not sure about it’s availability here,havn’t done my searching yet. Suggestions Pl.[/quote]
first off, i wouldn’t couple the sustanon with the enanthate, because of the short cycle and the inconsistent blood levels that present themselves with the esters in the sust. remember i was allowing you to use higher dosages of the enanthate and deca than you had before while minimizing the effects from either drug by timing it to where the half lives were diminishing when the other was peaking. you could possibly do higher dosages of the enanthate for weeks 1 and 3 but like i told you in the last post, why do more if you will still grow on lower dosages. this is your second cycle, and depending on how long it’s been since you completed your last cycle, i would try to keep the dosages as low as growing was possible so future AAS usage will benefit from willingness of your body to keep responding to gradual increases in dosages as well as financial reasons and health precautions. think about this, most people start out much higher than they need to doasage wise, and they grow. However,they will now have to atleast meet that dosage level again or even go higher in the next cycle in order to see nice results to them as well. if they would have kept the dosages low enough to allow for new growth they could have repeated that cycle again to see if they could still grow from those dosages and if not in the next cycle they can increase the dosages or add in new drugs in order to keep growing and not just adding in drugs and more injections and chances for more side effects, etc. think smart. you wouldn’t add 50lbs to 90% of your 1RM for the bench press and think that you would benefit from it in the long term more than you would if you gradually made increments of 5lbs and kept the weight steadily moving up week after week or workout after workout. i know they’re not exactly the same physiological conditions, but it’s the general concept of gradual progression or progressive load. hope that helps. chuck
That’s exactly what i have been tryoing to say for the fat that in my previous cycle ihave been dosing Deca@300mg/week for 8 weeks ,Sust@100mg/day for 8 weeks and D-Bol@25mg/day for 5 weeks,i would like to know if the dosages aforementioned in you cycle would be suffice since i have subjected my boduy to such high dosages in my previous cycle and not that i am interested in high dosages.My idea is to just reap the required gains from a cycle and not lose out due to stringent diasges and cost factors.My Last cycle was about 5 months ago.Though i haven’t used Enathate earlier my earlier use of Deca lasted for 8 weeks that is one of the reasons behind my questioning the raionale behind a 2 week Deca usage.As for my D-Bol i only have the 10mg pills ,How could i go in for a 25mg dosage,maybe i could start with 20mg for the first week and go in for 30mg from week 2.Also the idea of alternating the enathate and Eq cycles could it be extended for one more week each 'cos my previous cycle had a 8 wek Deca,Sust Dosage and dosing it for just 2 weeks now don’t you think it might not be as effective?This is my only concern.Idon’t want to overdose at the same time i don’t want to land up not seeing any gains 'cos of underdosing,relative to my previous cycle.
vnkat, my suggestions are just that. Suggestions. I see where you are/would be concerned with not having high enough dosages in the alternating week cycle. Your ideas are all possible alterations of my suggestions. You have to tweak it for yourself. I just wanted to get you thinking out of the “box”. Now you are, so my purpose is fulfilled. Just evaluate your success with your last cycle and make decisions based on what you did then and what you now know. Just use your imagination and you’ll be fine. The whole purpose of the first 4 week alternating cycle was to allow you to be “on” and keep you from giving up too much muscle from that initial caloric drop. It wasn’t the main focus of the cycle, it was sort of a mini, kick-start, with HPTA recouperation time between the more potent pre-contest cycle. That’s all. It wasn’t really a bulking cycle per se’ and I really didn’t want to allow you to go ahead and shut down your HPTA too much, too soon, when you were going to be doing another cycle in the near future that would have heavier dosages and more drugs involved. Don’t become one of those who thinks about being on all the time or who thinks time off is time wasted. That’s sad and your body will reap havoc for that decision. My suggestions are to try the mini cycle, without the extra weeks of each drug, so that you’ll have plenty of time to recuperate and maybe up the dosages a little more, but I would leave them the same. Use the first 4 week cycle to keep the muscle you have from leaving you when you drop your calories for your diet, and you’ll probably notice that it will do a nice job of that and you may still experience some growth out of it. You are going to be in a contest prep and you will be on a restricted calorie diet for most of the cycle for that matter and growth isn’t really going to skyrocket during the time anyways. I am thinking action/reaction. Keep you from losing muscle/burn more calories without dropping calories too low. Do a short 4 week cycle and prevent major HPTA shutdown/able to begin second cycle earlier without risking giving up too much muscle during your prep mode and post contest. BY THE WAY: I intended for you to compete at the end of week 14 so that would leave 2 weeks of AAS usage post contest before HPTA stimulation begins. Sorry for not mentioning that earlier. Happy reading. Chuck
O.K.That’s perfectly Fine.I"ll tell you pretty clearly what ia mlooking at.Right now i am 5’3" tall and weigh 135lbs(61kgs),that’s a lot of bulk for a person my heightand am thrty years old.I intend competing in the 60-65 Kg(Bantam Weight category) for which i ned to put on at least 12lbs(6Kgs) 0f bulk and then Shredd it ,while doing so i might lose about 4lbs.Will this cyle help me accomplish that?this was the reason i doubted the length of the Bulking part.I am no Hard Gainer esp after my First Cycle.Sorry for not mentioning this earlier.Sugg Pl.
VNKAT, first thing that catches my attention is that you believe that you have to bulk up in order to cut it up. You don’t have to add shitty weight in order to gain muscle. Avoid the fat gain from the cycles at all costs in your situation. There is just no room for having to take in to account extra lbs(kgs) of fat at the start of a pre contest prep because you wanted to gain an extra 6 lbs. Just let your diet to its job. If you just gain extra fat so you can say you added weight then there is no point in doing a cycle at all. You’ll just end up fatter with lower test levels once the cycle is over, and you won’t be able to really support the 6 lbs of muscle that came along with the cycle. If you are planning on putting on 12 quality pounds from one cycle before you start your contest prep mode then the one i mentioned isn’t for you. 12 lbs is a good bit of muscle and should take some time to acquire if you really plan on keeping it post cycle. Sounds to me like you’re being too impatient and that’s not something that will lend you success in the future. I don’t know what else to say to you in terms of drugs, if you honestly believe that you can gain 12lbs of quality muscle while dieting for a show. Ain’t going to happen, especially not on your frame in my opinion, without risking health in leu of taking dosages extremely higher than what you should be taking in say three years from now. This is your second cycle. I should have said this from the start, but you shouldn’t be looking to add quality muscle to your body in a time of restricted calories. My advise is to forego the show and do several mini cycles over the next 4-6 months and really eat and rest without the hassle of a show to get in the way. But first I would stay off of AAS for a few more months and let your body clear out. Maybe that would allow you to start back on those smaller, shorter cycles and really benefit in the long run without have to spend a crapload of cash and deal with extremely high levels of AAS for your second cycle. Start back smart and plan your cycles according to what you wish to accomplish and always account for action/reaction so that you don’t find yourself in a pickle, so to speak. Sorry for just bringing this out, but I’m not trying to advise you to take your drugs even higher on your second cycle, just for the sake of doing it. Focus on quality gains over the long haul, because those quick gains of 12lbs as you so speak rarely stay with you after the cycle is completed. Again, sorry for the confusion and change of info, but you have until october to decide and I just had to say that in reply to your last couple of posts. great success in the future, chuck