Short Cycle Critique

Pharma / TRT
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This week I will be starting a string of short test cycles (2 weeks on, 3-4 weeks off, Bill Roberts style). I have been using AAS recreationally over the past 5 years. I have 3 longer cycles (10-12 weeks) under my belt, along with a few short cycles as well since then.

My goals are to increase lean mass and decrease fat mass over a period of about 6 months, with minimal water retention, HPTA suppression, liver toxicity, or rapid gains (I want to keep a low profile)

ht 5’7"
wt: 170lbs
bf: 11%

This is what I plan to do:

Week 1-2:

Tren Ace 75mg ED (front loading as well)
Test Prop 50mg ED (front loading as well)
TBol 50mg ED
HGH 4iu ED
T3 60mg ED
Aromasin 25mg EOD
HCG 350 E3D

Week 3-5 (or 6):

HGH 4iu ED
T3 12.5mg ED
Aromasin 25mg E4D
Clenbuterol 120mcg ED

REPEAT

Diet and training is meticulously taken care of. Any suggestions/comments on the gear? I will not use test for more than 2 weeks at a time, so please, consider these limitations

My biggest question is: What is the best protocol for T3 will short cycles such as this ? Run a low dose (12.5-25mg) ED for 5-6 months, then taper, or dose the T3 higher (50-75mcg) for the 2 weeks ON gear , followed by a low dose (6.25-12.5mcg) on the OFF weeks ?

Thanks for your time

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W…T…F…?

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[quote]mightymau5 wrote:
This week I will be starting a string of short test cycles (2 weeks on, 3-4 weeks off, Bill Roberts style). I have been using AAS recreationally over the past 5 years. I have 3 longer cycles (10-12 weeks) under my belt, along with a few short cycles as well since then.

My goals are to increase lean mass and decrease fat mass over a period of about 6 months, with minimal water retention, HPTA suppression, liver toxicity, or rapid gains (I want to keep a low profile)

ht 5’7"
wt: 170lbs
bf: 11%

This is what I plan to do:

Week 1-2:

Tren Ace 75mg ED (front loading as well)
Test Prop 50mg ED (front loading as well)
TBol 50mg ED
HGH 4iu ED
T3 60mg ED
Aromasin 25mg EOD
HCG 350 E3D

Week 3-5 (or 6):

HGH 4iu ED
T3 12.5mg ED
Aromasin 25mg E4D
Clenbuterol 120mcg ED

REPEAT

Diet and training is meticulously taken care of. Any suggestions/comments on the gear? I will not use test for more than 2 weeks at a time, so please, consider these limitations

My biggest question is: What is the best protocol for T3 will short cycles such as this ? Run a low dose (12.5-25mg) ED for 5-6 months, then taper, or dose the T3 higher (50-75mcg) for the 2 weeks ON gear , followed by a low dose (6.25-12.5mcg) on the OFF weeks ?

Thanks for your time [/quote]

Hgh is good for a start, but I would bump it to 6 IU after the second month. You doses for a 2 week cycle are pretty low. It seems like you have been reading about Bill Roberts. IME, these dosages won’t do much, if any good. Increase them, especially the test. Bump it to at least 75mg ED, keep tren the same, and since you are looking to cut, anavar is a good choise, but for such a short cycle, I don’t know if it could be used. Probably at a really high dose, like 150mg ED (I am just talking out of my ass here, dunno really). Also, I would change tbol for dbol or anadrol. I have no idea on the T3, but it does not look like a good idea to me to take it for 6 months continuously.

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Thanks

With a limited budget, would you prefer 6iu/day for only the 2 ON weeks, and say, 2iu/day for the OFF weeks… or 4iu the whole way through? 6iu ED for 6 months is too costly.

I can bump the Prop up to 75-100mg ED. Keep in mind, I will be front-loading 200-250 ED for the first few days.

AS for T3, I was thinking of a couple options:

  1. 3-4 week pyramid, with the peak doses occuring during the 2 weeks ON. If this is done, how much time off would I need, before starting it again?

  2. sticking with 12.5mcg ED for 6 months, as Roberts claims to be safe… ?

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anyone else want to chime in?

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I’ve never done a short cycle so I don’t have an opinion, but I’ve been seeing a lot of questions about 2 week cycles on various forums lately and was curious where the idea is coming from. Is it something Bill posted recently?

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They only short cycles I have seen run are by a few strong men competitors. Obviously their drugs are a little different, but they swear by 3 week cycles.

3 weeks heavy AAS followed by 3 weeks hgh and peptides.

I would have to defer to others on BB goals and short cycles

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[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:
They only short cycles I have seen run are by a few strong men competitors. Obviously their drugs are a little different, but they swear by 3 week cycles.

3 weeks heavy AAS followed by 3 weeks hgh and peptides.

I would have to defer to others on BB goals and short cycles[/quote]

isn’t that just a short blast though and they go back to cruising after? Bill Roberts has you doing a PCT of sorts for his 2 weekers.

I’ve always been intrigued but it just doesn’t seem like it’d work to me.

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yeah when they say they come off, what they really mean is back under 500mg a week, lol.

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The idea of 2 weeks only is that your natural testosterone quickly recovers, versus a longer cycle that will suppress you for months.

I personally would rather see slow steady gains over 6months than make massive gains in 3 months , then spend 3 months recovering.

Im also considering a much larger dose of GH during the ON weeks, 3-4iu, 2x/day, then no GH on the off weeks, to potentially gain more because of the synergy with the gear. Any thoughts on this method, versus 3iu ED throughout the whole thing?

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BUMP

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It’s an interesting theory, but does it work in real life? I did sort of a similar thing with the original Mag10, and I gained, and lost, 12-15 pounds per cycle. So I’m not so sure about the “under the radar” aspect.

And IMO your planned T3 here is overkill and dangerous.

Do inform us of how it goes, especially since you have done short cycles before. Good luck!

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lots of threads and info on short cycles on this site. use the search engine to find threads relating to 2 on 4 off…2 on 2 off…short cycle…bill roberts. plenty of stuff in those threads to answer any question you have.

just quickly looking at your proposed shorty…bigger AAS doses would be nice. HGH is better pulsed (look into it). T3 is well suited as an add on to shorties…search for what BBB said about it. Fuck clen, but it’s your choice. HCG is overdosed…250 twice a week is fine. there is no PCT in there, which means possibly a partial or totally failed recovery between, defeating the purpose of short cycles…do a pct, because short cycle minimize shut down, but you still will be supressed to a degree.

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UPDATE:

Ran the first 2 weeks then took 4 off. Very minimal weight gain, but noticeable change in composition. Actually saw consistent gains in weeks off. Now a week into the next cycle, with a few changes…Adding Masteron, switching T-bol to D-bol in second week, adding Nolvadex for PCT and splitting GH into twice daily injections. What do you think guys? I’ve been experimenting and reading about these cycles for a few years but there are always new things I learn each time.

Week 1-2:

Tren Ace 100mg ED, Day 1-12 (frontloaded 150mg for each of day 1-3)
Test Prop 150mg ED, Day 1-12 (frontloaded 200mg for each of day 1-3)
Masteron Prop 75mg ED, Day 1-12
D-Bol 50mg ED, Day 11-15
HGH 5iu ED (2.5iu twice), Day 1-15
Aromasin 12.5mg ED, Day 1-15
HCG 200 E2D, Day 2-10

Week 3-5:

HGH 3iu ED, Day 16-35
Aromasin 25mg E4D, Day 16-35
Nolvadex 20mg ED, Day 16-35

Week 6:

Repeat from week 1

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PS:

I cut the T3 as well. I will be adding it for the next 2 weeks that Im ON…50mg ED, tapering down over 6 weeks

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[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:
They only short cycles I have seen run are by a few strong men competitors. Obviously their drugs are a little different, but they swear by 3 week cycles.

3 weeks heavy AAS followed by 3 weeks hgh and peptides.

I would have to defer to others on BB goals and short cycles[/quote]

I’m actually just starting a 2 weeker for bodybuilding purposes–was just about to start a log about it actually when I saw this post. I am a powerlifter at heart but I am trying to put on a little bit more size at the moment, and I had a bit of gear left over from my unsuccessful cycle I ran earlier this year. So I figured why not!

You can check out my thread, but total dosages will end up being 1 g Test Prop + 500 mg Tren Ace + 500 mg Mast Prop per week for the entire 2 weeks.

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Mightymau5,

How were your results on the second cycle? Are you getting any of the horrible tren sides?

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[quote]timhortons1989 wrote:
Mightymau5,

How were your results on the second cycle? Are you getting any of the horrible tren sides?[/quote]

I did 3 in the Spring and then took a while off due to injury. One of the benefits of these short cycles the flexibility to stop for unplanned circumstances, like injury. I was forced to take 6 weeks off from training, during which time I let myself go… gained about 5 lbs of fat and lost about the same amount of muscle. In the past 7 weeks Ive returned to the shape I was in pre-injury.

Im now running my first shortie since June:

Test P - 25mg ED, Day 1-10
Tren A - 100mg ED, 1-10
Mast P - 100mg ED, 1-10
Dbol - 50mg ED, 11-14
Winstrol Oral - 50mg, 11-14
Letro - 1.25 ED, 1-14
HCG - 125IU ED, 1-10
HGH - 3.3IU ED, 1-14

PCT, 2 weeks of:

Aromasin - 25mg E3D
Nolvadex - 25mg ED
D-Aspartic Acid - 3g ED

Results as of Day 11 now: Size, but with hardness, vascularity, and looking slightly leaner all over. My diet has been spot on, aside from 1 cheat meal and a night of drinking.

Have not noticed much change in strength, but that is hard to measure within just a few days. Perhaps I could track more diligently now that Im consistently back in the gym. It would make sense to look at changes over a period of a few cycles, rather than comparing only from before a single cycle to afterwards.

As for side effects, the most annoying is night sweats. It hit me about 5 days in and has woken me up every night since. Ive had to change my sheets and eventually sleep with a towels now. This has been typical for all my cycles, regardless of the Tren dosage. They seem to dissipate within days after my last shot, so its not bad enough to have me changing my plans yet.

I also caught a cold on Day 6, which I have not had in a couple years. Ive stayed healthy for many short tren cycles, but I think immunity can really be impaired with high tren doses. I experienced this a few years ago when I did my last long (10 week) cycle of tren ace/test prop.

I also tend to feel short of breath, throughout the 2 weeks, but this is somehow overcome by increased aggression and intensity in the gym.

I have never had a propensity to rage or get acne, so for the amazing and quick results Ive been achieving, that list above is worth the compromise. That said, Im happy to have at least 3 weeks while I can enjoy restful sleeps.

You will notice that this current cycle is dosed higher in tren, with very small dose of prop. The theory Im experimenting with suggests that fat loss is improved when estrogen is kept quite low. Supposedly the tren sides are much less with this ratio, although judging by my poor sleep, I haven’t found that sweet spot yet. I may even cut the prop altogether next time and allow HCG use provide all the needed test for libido.