Just throwing this out there is anyone is interested (I remember rds was fairly keen on this sort of cycle).
I did:
Day 1-8 Test p 100mg ED
Day 1-8 Tbol 60mg ED
Day 6-10 Dbol 100mg ED
No AI due to low E issues
Weight gain = 3kg, ~6 pounds. Lean weight, very little water and no body fat. Maintained 28" waist.
I am now on day 4 of PCT, energy is slightly low but libido is good. Sleeping a little longer also, I am taking 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid along with 3 shots of 1000iu hCG.
I discontinued the Tbol because I was getting mild and dull testicle pain. I tried researching this but couldnt find anything on it.
So far I liked the cycle, gained more then I expected. I know I ran it less than 2 weeks but thats just what I wanted to experiment with.
Will be hitting another one soon and will use this thread as a log.
SB
I’m very interested in this approach. I got pretty sick of being ‘on’ after about 6 weeks… still felt great physically, but started having trouble sleeping and started snoring regularly for the first time in my life, which my wife just loved. I think it was mainly just gaining too much weight too fast, which a 2on/2-4off approach would easily correct, and make recovery easier to boot.
I’m curious how much of that ~7 lbs you will lose by the time you start your next cycle. Seems like the norm is about 50%. I’m surprised you weren’t holding more water on 100mg of dbol, but if your E is low anyway…
ya I was very interested to hear about this.
I’ll definitely follow your log. I’m just in PCT at the moment so it’ll be a while before I do anymore gear, but I am very keen to try this
[quote]hockeysledder wrote:
I’m very interested in this approach. I got pretty sick of being ‘on’ after about 6 weeks… still felt great physically, but started having trouble sleeping and started snoring regularly for the first time in my life, which my wife just loved. I think it was mainly just gaining too much weight too fast, which a 2on/2-4off approach would easily correct, and make recovery easier to boot.
I’m curious how much of that ~7 lbs you will lose by the time you start your next cycle. Seems like the norm is about 50%. I’m surprised you weren’t holding more water on 100mg of dbol, but if your E is low anyway…[/quote]
Yep lets see how easy recovery really is for someone with a fragile HPTA.
Energy is the main concern at this point, feeling really tired.
I did not hold much water, very little in fact. The main reason I used such high dose of Dbol was for the benefits of aromatisation. I felt like crap the first 5 days or so due to the AI use, once I completely cut out the adex I felt better. I got no gyno or puffiness from this dose, a good indicator that Im not too prone to aromatisation.
I also had this problem of snoring, maybe gaining too fast but I dont think 3kg is ‘too much’ so it could be attributed to something else, I dont know.
Ive learnt now that even .25mg adex drives my E down too low, in the future I will cycle without it and add it in if needed.
SB
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
ya I was very interested to hear about this.
I’ll definitely follow your log. I’m just in PCT at the moment so it’ll be a while before I do anymore gear, but I am very keen to try this[/quote]
Thanks 
Will be taking a break now till exams are done, but then I will try most combo’s.
Prop/Ace
Prop/NPP
Drol/Winny/Var
SB
the prop NPP is the one that appeals to me the most out of those, is NPP not quite suppressive though?
I’d probably do prop/var myself
I don’t aromatise prop much either. I didn’t need an AI at all until I started dbol, but then it became necessary.
NPP has a 5 day hl, no? Makes it a little more difficult to run in a 2-weeker, maybe use a frontload and then cut it off at day 9 (assuming 14 day cycle). That’s what I plan to do when I use prop/NPP.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
ya I was very interested to hear about this.
I’ll definitely follow your log. I’m just in PCT at the moment so it’ll be a while before I do anymore gear, but I am very keen to try this[/quote]
Thanks
Will be taking a break now till exams are done, but then I will try most combo’s.
Prop/Ace
Prop/NPP
Drol/Winny/Var
SB[/quote]
Sounds like a nice cycle. Although I have yet to actually try one myself, so far I’ve recovered from some very heavy use and some long cycles, I’m seriously thinking of taking a break for a long while in the next few months. The temptation to hit the gear though will be high so two weekers could be the way to satiate my gear addiction lol.
I’m actually interested in what everyone thinks is the best way to run a two weeker, and I’d love to hear Bill come in on this. And when I mean the best way I mean really get into detail.
I’ll throw out my personal opinion for discussion.
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Since you’re only on for two weeks, you want maximum growth, and “All you can eat” diet should be in order. You cant get that fat in two weeks right? lol
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Gear choice: If you want maximum gains, I personally feel that tren is your only option, but then again I am now hooked on tren and arent really that bothered about any other AAS. I think my brain was designed to run on tren.
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Dosage: Maximum gains - maximum dose you know you can tolerate without unmanageable sides
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Timing of the cycle within a training cycle. My training for the most part has been four week periodised. This one I’m really not sure about. Volume and intensity increases over the first three weeks followed by a deload week. Is it better to run the gear through the two hardest weeks because of a the strength increase (esp with tren), the last two (so the hardest and the deload) or on an overlap covering the deload and first week of the next training block. I am leaning towards either the last two or the overlap. The main reason being is ive noticed most gains seem to come in the deload week (muscle weight that is)
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Hcg use: I guess this is an individual thing whether you need to run any at all and what you should run. If you have trouble recovering (like singh) then it may well be a good idea to run a daily shot of hcg at 200-300iU, that way your nuts should be in perfect condition. And before anyone chimes in about there’s no suppression after two weeks of gear use thats also a very individual thing and dose and compound dependent.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
I’m actually interested in what everyone thinks is the best way to run a two weeker, and I’d love to hear Bill come in on this. And when I mean the best way I mean really get into detail.
I’ll throw out my personal opinion for discussion.
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Since you’re only on for two weeks, you want maximum growth, and “All you can eat” diet should be in order. You cant get that fat in two weeks right? lol
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Gear choice: If you want maximum gains, I personally feel that tren is your only option, but then again I am now hooked on tren and arent really that bothered about any other AAS. I think my brain was designed to run on tren.
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Dosage: Maximum gains - maximum dose you know you can tolerate without unmanageable sides
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Timing of the cycle within a training cycle. My training for the most part has been four week periodised. This one I’m really not sure about. Volume and intensity increases over the first three weeks followed by a deload week. Is it better to run the gear through the two hardest weeks because of a the strength increase (esp with tren), the last two (so the hardest and the deload) or on an overlap covering the deload and first week of the next training block. I am leaning towards either the last two or the overlap. The main reason being is ive noticed most gains seem to come in the deload week (muscle weight that is)
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Hcg use: I guess this is an individual thing whether you need to run any at all and what you should run. If you have trouble recovering (like singh) then it may well be a good idea to run a daily shot of hcg at 200-300iU, that way your nuts should be in perfect condition. And before anyone chimes in about there’s no suppression after two weeks of gear use thats also a very individual thing and dose and compound dependent.
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Long time friend.
In regards to the all you can eat approach, I think it kind of defeats the purpose of these short cycles. I understand where you are coming from, to achieve the maximum advantage from the anabolic state however these cycles are meant to provide steady lean gains not huge bursts like longer cycles.
I grew pretty nicely on my one even though I only ran it from around 10days.
My initial estimate was wrong, I actually gained 5kg instead of 3kg. That equates to around 11lbs, lean weight.
So far I am still standing at the same weight, just looking more dry (most probably due to the water).
Energy has gone better since yesterday, so I feel I am recovering (energy may be due to the use of modafinil for exams ).
In regards to the doseage, you are spot-on. As high dose as possible without unmanageable sides. I hit 100mg Dbol but then felt my BP was rising too high so popped some aspirin and used less pre-workout.
Yes Tren would be the best bet here, I see from your other thread you have become a Tren Sapien 
I dont know about the training protocol, I dont follow any programs but sometimes I will do some different things. Currently I am doing Tri-sets for delts, seems to be working well.
The hCG use, I used 500iu E3D. Once off I am using around 1000iu ED for 4-5days, seems to be doing the trick. Also 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid ED.
SB
what previous cycles have you ran?
[quote]jared530 wrote:
what previous cycles have you ran?[/quote]
Test cyp
Test and deca
Test tren
SB