Blitz Cycles

Pharma / TRT
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I have been reading A. L. Rea’s book Chemical Muscle Enhancement and wonder if anyone on here has experience with something like his blitz cycle

Day1: 200mg Test Prop, 50mg DBol
Day2: 200mg Test Prop, 50mg DBol
Day3: 200mg Test Prop, 50mg DBol, 2iu HGH 4x/d, 6iu slin 2x/d, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d
Day4: 200mg Test Prop, 50mg DBol, 2iu HGH 4x/d, 6iu slin 2x/d, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d
Day5: 200mg Test Prop, 50mg DBol, 2iu HGH 4x/d, 6iu slin 2x/d, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d
Day6: 200mg Test Prop, 50mg DBol, 2iu HGH 4x/d, 6iu slin 2x/d, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d
Day7: 200mg Test Prop, 50mg DBol, 2iu HGH 4x/d, 6iu slin 2x/d, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d

I was thinking how much easier it would be to really set yourself up for one solid week of nothing but hard training each quarter and then just maintain the rest of the year. I wouldn’t run it like he is suggesting because i don’t like dbol and insulin scares me but I might run something a little more conservative like the below plan

Day1: 100mg Test Prop, 100mg Tren Ace
Day2: 100mg Test Prop, 100mg Tren Ace
Day3: 100mg Test Prop, 100mg Tren Ace, 2iu HGH 2x/d, 50mcg IGF-1, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d
Day4: 100mg Test Prop, 100mg Tren Ace, 2iu HGH 2x/d, 50mcg IGF-1, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d
Day5: 100mg Test Prop, 100mg Tren Ace, 2iu HGH 2x/d, 50mcg IGF-1, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d
Day6: 100mg Test Prop, 100mg Tren Ace, 2iu HGH 2x/d, 50mcg IGF-1, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d
Day7: 100mg Test Prop, 100mg Tren Ace, 2iu HGH 2x/d, 50mcg IGF-1, 25mcg Cytomel 2x/d

You could even continue the HGH/IGF/Cytomel for a week or so while the gear is clearing out and run clenbuterol week 2-5 to help retain the mass gained and keep the fat furnace going.

Your thoughts appreciated…

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Yeah, that’s expensive as shit.

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I am unfamilar with L.A. Rea and blitz cycles in general. How much do you expect to gain using these amount for 1 week. I am also assuming there is no PCT needed after this week.
It sounds interesting and I would like to know how this turns out for you.

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Frankly, no matter how fancy and complicated that cycle might seem, I think the entire “blitz” concept is skewed. There is a set limit to how fast the body can regenerate tissue and recuperate from atrophy. I’m not saying the gains don’t appear to be great for the short time considering, but still not that impressive.

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[quote]Contrl wrote:
Frankly, no matter how fancy and complicated that cycle might seem, I think the entire “blitz” concept is skewed. There is a set limit to how fast the body can regenerate tissue and recuperate from atrophy. I’m not saying the gains don’t appear to be great for the short time considering, but still not that impressive.[/quote]

I used to think that too, until I used tren. A lot of things have to be in place for a blitz cycle to work, but even then it’d have to be 3-4 weeks to see max results. There’s not point in cutting it short if you’re body hasn’t “adapted” to the high dose yet.

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Well, one could say the same about Anadrol. But I agree, Tren is in its own world. It’s just the concept of overglorifying something that’s 7 days long (and not using Tren) that I have a problem with.

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I also dont really like the idea of throwing T3 in there from day 3-7 at 50mcgs a day and then nothing.

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I thought the same things you guys are saying when I read his book but I was really intregued and wondered if it could work…

I agree the Cytomel would probably be better tapered up and down so as not to screw with my thyroid too much. unless 4 days at 50mcg is better than having to stretch it out with a piramid approach (4 days 50mcg vs 2 weeks at 25-50-25mcg)…this is open for debate I guess…If anyone can comment please do…

as far as cost it isn’t that bad when you figure that you are only on for about a week instead of months (the HGH, IGF, and Cytomel you are only on for 4 days with his plan…remember those are days not weeks listed). Personally i can’t justify using HGH at the price it is for 12 weeks let alone 6 months…that leaves only using it on certain days of the week during the cycle (such as on 3 lifting days post workout) or in a blitz cycle of one or two weeks of hitting it hard. It might work and you’d only be using a total of 16iu for the 4 days (48iu if you run it the second week). The IGF is a fairly small amount as well when you consider the duration (I actually meant 80mcg in the first email which would put the total at 320mcg).
The high dose of insulin that ALR uses is to help convert HGH to IGF-1 so it is cheaper, safer, and easier to just inject a lower dose of HGH along with some LR3IGF-1 I think. If I want an insulin response to help the process I will drink some Surge along with it.
As far as AAS it would only take 1 x 10cc of test prop and 1 x 10cc tren and you could even run the gear another 3 days into the second week.

as far as adaptation to the short duration he gives the example that when GH occurs naturally in puberty it comes in bursts/pulses of 2iu about 4 times a day for a period and then it is normal for a while. This makes sense to me because it would be giving the body breif periods of growth with long periods of rest to prepare for the next growth phase (restoring satelite cells, letting the body adapt to the new mass, growing the newly created muscle cells, etc). so it got me thinking if that might be a better route to go.

The whole reason of the short cycle is no recovery period needed. 1 week isn’t enough to shut you down. I am not sure how long you can run HGH, IGF-1, or Cytomel before the body starts to compensate so if anyone knows please respond…

I have done 2 fairly long cycles (one 12 weeks with nolva as PCT and one 6 months long with a test taper as PCT). On both I got shut down hard. I didn’t recover very well from either one…the test taper worked better than nolva but it still has taken me a while to get fully back to normal. Overall on the two cycles I gained (after recovery) about 7 lbs of new muscle and 3 lbs of fat…not great considering I went through 9 months of gear, having to inject myself, etc but better than training naturally for a year and a half…what if I can make better gains on 4 x 1 week a year of hitting it hard and then just training and living normally the rest of the year?

For this reason my next cycle experiment is likely going to be a short one to see if I recover better from that (either a one week blitz, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, or a 6 week cycle…all of which would use short acting compounds with the possible exception of some primobolan on the 6 week cycle). I am doubtfull a 6 week cycle would be any better than a 12 week because I was shut down after about 3-4 weeks on the previous 2 cycles so I will eliminate that for now.

A second option for the blitz that I was thinking would look like this, it stretches the 1 week to a 2 week cycle and a little longer for the T3 and Clen. I’m not sure if it would be better to just match up the T3 and Clen and run them both 3 weeks.

Note - HGH injection is done early AM and Post Workout, IGF-1 is done Post Workout, Cytomel and Clen is spread evenly morning, noon, and early evening.

…TestP/TrenA/HGH/IGF-1/Cyto/Clen
Day1: 100mg/100mg/0iu/0mcg/25mcg/0mcg
Day2: 100mg/100mg/0iu/0mcg/25mcg/0mcg
Day3: 100mg/100mg/4iu/80mcg/25mcg/0mcg
Day4: 100mg/100mg/4iu/80mcg/50mcg/0mcg
Day5: 100mg/100mg/4iu/80mcg/50mcg/0mcg
Day6: 100mg/100mg/4iu/80mcg/50mcg/0mcg
Day7: 100mg/100mg/4iu/80mcg/50mcg/0mcg
Day8: 100mg/100mg/4iu/80mcg/75mcg/40mcg
Day9: 100mg/100mg/4iu/80mcg/75mcg/40mcg
Day10:100mg/100mg/4iu/80mcg/75mcg/40mcg
Day11:000mg/000mg/4iu/80mcg/75mcg/60mcg
Day12:000mg/000mg/4iu/80mcg/50mcg/60mcg
Day13:000mg/000mg/4iu/80mcg/50mcg/60mcg
Day14:000mg/000mg/4iu/80mcg/50mcg/80mcg
Day15:000mg/000mg/0iu/0mcg/50mcg/80mcg
Day16:000mg/000mg/0iu/0mcg/25mcg/80mcg
Day17:000mg/000mg/0iu/0mcg/25mcg/60mcg
Day18:000mg/000mg/0iu/0mcg/25mcg/60mcg
Day19:000mg/000mg/0iu/0mcg/00mcg/60mcg
Day20:000mg/000mg/0iu/0mcg/00mcg/40mcg
Day21:000mg/000mg/0iu/0mcg/00mcg/40mcg
Day22:000mg/000mg/0iu/0mcg/00mcg/40mcg

Totals needed for the cycle
Test 1 x 10cc 100mg/ml
Tren 1 x 10cc 100mg/ml
HGH 48iu
IGF1 960mcg
Cytomel 850mcg
Clen 840mcg

So all together in the area of $600 worth of gear, peptides, and pharma which I guess is a lot when you compare it to a cycle of test enth for 12 weeks but it is done in 3 weeks and if it works it would give permenant gains that you can reproduce once every 3-4 months.

To make it worth while it would have to yield about 4-5 lbs of new muscle and burn off a fair amount of fat (which it should as long as a strick diet was held during the 3 weeks and the few weeks following it).

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So any responses from the vets or people who have experience with something similar to this your help is appreciated.

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In addition to the cycle above i think it is worth mentioning that the prep for the cycle would be to overtrain and underfeed yourself for about a week to make you body as broken down and receptive to HGH/IGF as possible.

So the idea would be to try to progress until I am back where I was at the end of my last cycle (or as close as I can get naturally) with solid training and eating well. Then once I am back to my plateau I would cut calories and increase the workload for a week until I was overtrained.

Take the first 2 days of injections off from lifting and then hit it with a vengence for the remainder of the 2 weeks and eat as much protien as I can handle (ALR suggests 1.5-2gm/lb of bodyweight and overall cals of 18-20/lb of bodyweight).

Prisoner, Bushy, and any other vets lurking out there let me know what you think. Thanks.

FG

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I’m no vet but I have been really interested in short cycles for a long while, and I have actually done some.

My reasoning was that if I maintained 1.5-2 pounds of “permanent” muscle gains after a cycle for a couple of 2 weekers, then 1-1.5 pound of permanent gain for the next 5, that would be around a 10 pound permanent gain after 7 cycles of 2 weeks on and 5 weeks off in one year. Not bad! In theory…

I havent done enough to be sure but from what I’ve tried is that I gained 12 solid pounds in 2 weeks, and basically lost them all afterwards.

And while Tren works like nothing else in a short period of time, it shuts you down hard and even for such short cyles you’re screwed for a couple of weeks IMO.

The same goes for the idea of 2 weeks on 2 weeks off: you’re not off long enough to get back to normal so you might as well never stop, or else take longer breaks.

I’ve just finished a 12 weeker (300 TestE+ 300 Equipoise so a low dose cycle) and again gained 12 pounds, the same as in 2 week of intensive use, but I felt better, training was more fun, and now, in the 4th week at 90mg of TestE doing Prisoner’s test taper I have lost two pounds max - and I had a damn cold so that didnt help.

So… I’ll post my results after I’ve done the taper all the way through but so far so good. I like it better than the short cycles. It cant be healthy going up and down 12 pounds in such a short period of time.

I’m still quite interested in short blitz cycles and the way you set the training and nutrition makes sense to me. But does anybody has some great resuts to show for it? The idea of short cycles is nothing new so many must have done it.

And why insulin and T3 and HGH for one weeker? Seems like useless overkill to me.

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I really don’t think short cycles are all that magical.

Diet and training will determine results over what kind and how much gear. The possible exception being tren. But if tren is good for blitz’s - it should be even better for longer cycles.

It has been my experience that the longer the cycle, the more permanent the gains - not the other way around.

I don’t like the blitz-type cycles because they are too short. Personally, any cycle shorter than 6 weeks is going to be a waste of time.

Then again, I am an old man with an addiction to test. Make of it what you will.

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ahhhh. i like it rainjack. the world is a little empty with normal test levels isn’t it?

Whoever asked…the point of the T3 for such a short period is to fire up the thyroid (temporarily) to fill the body with energy…not to lose a ton of weight/fat (although I think there would be some effect on that with the 2 week cycle plan). We are trying flood the body with calories/energy to make new muscle fibers by blasting protein, androgens, HGH, and IGF-1 into the system at the same time. Kind of a “make hay while the sun is shining approach” but I am cranking up the sun and giving the hay super nutrient rich soil, steroids, and growth peptides.

The reason I included the Clen was to assist a little with lypolisis while the T3 was going but mainly because it is known to help preserve muscle mass in adverse conditions (such as coming off a 7-10 day 200mg/d dose of adrogens) so in theory it should help maintain some of the hypertrophy gained but the real point of a cycle like this isn’t hypertrophy because you guys are right, there really isn’t enough time for a serious amount of hypertrophy to go down (the majority of hypertrophy would simply be water retention which would be gone when the cycle is over)…it is HYPERPLASIA we are after with this approach.

What this whole cycle is designed for is to create ideal circumstances for the body to create a lot of new muscle fibers in a very short period. Which you would then hypertrophy by working out regularly for the next 2-3 months before doing another cycle like this. That’s why I think it may be possible to attain long term gains with an approach like this.

The reason we are limiting androgen use to 7-10 days is because we don’t want to shut the system down. We are just shocking it into growth before it has time to compensate and then leaving it alone for a while.

It may also work to alternate between a blitz and a traditional 12 week andgrogen cycle so that you are acheiving better results with the hypertrophy phase.

FG

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A single shot of AAS, even at relatively low doses of 100-200mg, will shut down your T production. Short cycles are great for getting in massive gains before the body adapts to higher steroid levels, leading to dwindling gains. The time period for this is four to eight weeks. Anything less and you’re selling yourself short of gains, and any thing longer and you’re doing the same.

Other reasons come into play as to why someone would choose longer or shorter cycles, but as far as maximizing gains from a certain amount of AAS, 4-8 weeks is about the limit. You may stay on for say 12-20 weeks and still gain, but at a much lower rate. You may use shorter cycles so you have more time off, or less time on, but cutting the cycle short won’t help your body recover any better than it would a after a 4-8 week cycle.

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“What this whole cycle is designed for is to create ideal circumstances for the body to create a lot of new muscle fibers in a very short period. Which you would then hypertrophy by working out regularly for the next 2-3 months before doing another cycle like this. That’s why I think it may be possible to attain long term gains with an approach like this.”

Interesting. From my short cycles I did retain strenght though not any mass. I was shocked how much I gained with (seemingly) no puffiness or water weight. Of course that rapid gain was probably water, glycogen, etc but those 12 pounds LOOKED solid.

“It may also work to alternate between a blitz and a traditional 12 week andgrogen cycle so that you are acheiving better results with the hypertrophy phase.”

At one point I was thinking that as well. Do 3-4 short cycles than a longer one during the summer.

BTW from what I’ve read the reasoning to do 10-12 days or less is that beyond that you’re shut down so you might as well go longer. My problem with Tren then is that it does shut you down VERY quickly.

Maybe do 10 days with Tren then do 2-3 weeks of stasis at 100Mg of test. In a way doing a short version of Prisoner’s test taper idea. Mmmm.

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I will admit I didn’t spare the time to read through all this, however I will agree with the other ‘old’ vets that the blitz cycle is a waste of time and gear.

Your body frankly will not have enough time to grow to be bothered by this, and keep in mind that the dramatic ‘swing’ from anabolic to catabolic will undoubtedly just screw you up. You will find yourself wanting to be back ‘on’ again.

And of course the side effects such as acne e.t.c.

one plausable reason to attempt something like this is if you were a natural athlete in a ‘tested’ sport. And the majority of your training was done naturally, and the goal was to cap off the ‘peak’ of your training peroid.

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I think the cycle he said he used after the controlled catabolism was 500mg test e a day for four days,then 400mg for 4 days, then 300,etc. That doesn’t make sense and sounds like a modified Paul Borreson cycle were you use 500-1000mg/day(really?) for 20 days and then go off.

Only he usually recommended long acting stuff, and at that level it would be around for weeks, so you are really doing a wierd, medium length cycle. Suggesting that shows bad judgement and I doubt his first blitz cycle you posted will work very well, unless you used it every few weeks to spike a moderate cycle.

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Short cycles work well for one purpose…maintenance. This is not a bad thing really, for us old guys that have used gear for many years and are as big as we care to be it is a great way to minimize time on and still keep the great majority of your size.

For instance i am on legitimate HRT at a whopping 100mgs per week. Since my doctor considers me to be an “abuser of steroids”, he makes me have labs every 8 weeks to be sure i am not “abusing” these drugs. So…of course that gives me time to blitz some short compounds for a few weeks, then go back to my HRt dose and still look fine on my blood tests.