Where your non-violent brethren are culpable is they haven’t and aren’t doing a single fucking thing about it. It’s a problem muslims need to fix in house and they aren’t. They will condemn but there is always a caveat, “Yeah, 9/11 was a tragedy, BUT if America _____________.” “Ok, suicide bombing are bad, BUT if Israel ___________.” Sorry, I find that disingenuous. If you are against something really, there are never any "BUT"s involved.[/quote]
What are you doing about crimes commited by white people?
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Ever hear of laws, police and courts?
let me know when Hamas arrests a wanna-be suicide bomber.[/quote]
If Pat was talking about legal authorites in those countries not doing their jobs, your response would be fitting. But he wasn’t, he was blaming moderate muslims for the actions of a few extremists.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If Pat was talking about legal authorites in those countries not doing their jobs, your response would be fitting. But he wasn’t, he was blaming moderate muslims for the actions of a few extremists.[/quote]
I understand what you and Pat wrote. What I was saying is (and I speak for myself and not Pat), if an extremist Christian kills an abortion doctor, I am against this. I think many mainstream Christians would be against this also. But regardless of this extremist’s views, killing an abortion doctor is against the law and he will be arrested, tried and incarcerated if caught.
What i do see is (Pakistan as an example): Musharraf’s forses sorounding a mosque housing radical muslim insurgents. They do what they have to do to take these guys down. Next thing you know, muslims around the world are bitching, calling him an American puppet, when in reality all he did was stop a radical element from getting a foothold in his country. But a lot of muslims, including ones on this board, condemned his actions…and these were so-called “moderate” muslims.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If Pat was talking about legal authorites in those countries not doing their jobs, your response would be fitting. But he wasn’t, he was blaming moderate muslims for the actions of a few extremists.[/quote]
I understand what you and Pat wrote. What I was saying is (and I speak for myself and not Pat), if an extremist Christian kills an abortion doctor, I am against this. I think many mainstream Christians would be against this also. But regardless of this extremist’s views, killing an abortion doctor is against the law and he will be arrested, tried and incarcerated if caught.
What i do see is (Pakistan as an example): Musharraf’s forses sorounding a mosque housing radical muslim insurgents. They do what they have to do to take these guys down. Next thing you know, muslims around the world are bitching, calling him an American puppet, when in reality all he did was stop a radical element from getting a foothold in his country. But a lot of muslims, including ones on this board, condemned his actions…and these were so-called “moderate” muslims.[/quote]
Thats a bit off topic from Pats original point. Also, I’d have to look into the event you’re talking about before I can really comment on it.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
To be completely honest, I think this attempt at an anti-Sharia law was more primarily political grandstanding than anything else.
Having said that, I’m amazed at how “asleep” some of you seem to be!
In the last few years, we have had what is arguably America’s leading academic institution publish a scholarly study of “the cartoons.” WITHOUT the goddamned cartoons themselves! We have had a network COMEDY CARTOON censored. We have had people threatened with death – and in other Western countries, even murdered – for criticising a religion or it’s prophet. Islamic violence and threats have been responsible for all of this.
How do you not get this? There is a significant part of Islam that accepts NOTHING less than what it sees as “truly Islamic.” It doesn’t matter the location, the religious persuasion of those involved, or the rule of law. Islam is the ONLY way.
And it’s not like Islam has no history of “moving in, taking over and cleansing.” It does.
So, this particular law might not be such a huge deal, but some of you need to stop acting like others here are just paranoid fear-mongerers.
It wasn’t that long ago that a person would have been laughed at for predicting that someday you would be threatened with death for drawing a cartoon. Yet, here we are.
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WTF? What do you think CHRISTIANITY did?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? You could replace “Islam” with “Christianity” in your post.[/quote]
Are you saying you support this?
A black guy killed a white guy so now it is ok for a white guy to kill a random black guy appears to be a decent analogy.
What i do see is (Pakistan as an example): Musharraf’s forses sorounding a mosque housing radical muslim insurgents. They do what they have to do to take these guys down. Next thing you know, muslims around the world are bitching, calling him an American puppet, when in reality all he did was stop a radical element from getting a foothold in his country. But a lot of muslims, including ones on this board, condemned his actions…and these were so-called “moderate” muslims.[/quote]
What event are you talking about? Why are you talking about Musharraf?
Sorry Gkhan, I think the verb tense confused me (“What I do see is” an event from 3 years ago). I guess I shouldn’t read the political forums w/o enough coffee in the system.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sorry Gkhan, I think the verb tense confused me (“What I do see is” an event from 3 years ago). I guess I shouldn’t read the political forums w/o enough coffee in the system. [/quote]
no problem.
One thing though…the original question was about crimes committed by white people…not Christians…I guess I got confused myself.
anyhow, Islam is not a race, it’s a religion. We have laws and courts to deal with crimes committed by people of all races, whites included.
Well, I’ve written enought about this, I want to hear from Pat now.
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