Just wondering what you guys think of this.
In my heart, I think it’s wrong; I think that people should have the right to where whatever they fucking want.
In my head, I think it’s a decisive step. It sends a strong message, and I think it could do wonders for the liberation of a few women in these countries. The UK will never follow suit. I find it difficult to pin-point exactly how I feel about this.
This is a BS idea.
Do you know how many women in Austria there are wearing them?
Roughly 100 and yet some shitheads wish to get some political mileage by denying them the right to interpret their religion and customs as they see fit.
No, government has no business enforcing a dress code.
[quote]orion wrote:
Roughly 100 and yet some shitheads wish to get some political mileage by denying them the right to interpret their religion and customs as they see fit.[/quote]
As their husbands and/or father see fit.
Burqua’s were banned in Turkey (1997), Tunisia (1981) and Muslims survived.
Recently, the Bangladesh Supreme Court ruled that; “it is a woman’s personal choice to cover her head or not and nobody can force them to do so against their will.” And I don’t hear any Muslims denying this.
(source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gqjZLhknLJhhPk_QDYnO6T2K3t8Q)
Now what do those three countries have in common?
[quote]cremaster wrote:
Burqua’s were banned in Turkey (1997), Tunisia (1981) and Muslims survived.
Recently, the Bangladesh Supreme Court ruled that; “it is a woman’s personal choice to cover her head or not and nobody can force them to do so against their will.” And I don’t hear any Muslims denying this.
(source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gqjZLhknLJhhPk_QDYnO6T2K3t8Q)
Now what do those three countries have in common?
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High rates of honor killing?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Roughly 100 and yet some shitheads wish to get some political mileage by denying them the right to interpret their religion and customs as they see fit.[/quote]
As their husbands and/or father see fit.[/quote]
So?
Do you know how many domestic violence calls there are on an average night in an average city?
If you leave an oppressive country and adopt a new country as your own, then I think you should abide by their laws. If they are good enough to house you, then you should agree to their laws and customs.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If you leave an oppressive country and adopt a new country as your own, then I think you should abide by their laws. If they are good enough to house you, then you should agree to their laws and customs. [/quote]
You have a custom of burqua banning?
Dont bullshit yourself, you want a new law, just for them.
You want to tell women what to wear in the name of preventing that someone tells them what to wear.
So you people who think burqua should be allowed in the name of freedom, you also think people should be allowed to walk around naked ?
There is a limit to put somewhere in front of every individual freedom.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If you leave an oppressive country and adopt a new country as your own, then I think you should abide by their laws. If they are good enough to house you, then you should agree to their laws and customs. [/quote]
You have a custom of burqua banning?
Dont bullshit yourself, you want a new law, just for them.
You want to tell women what to wear in the name of preventing that someone tells them what to wear.
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Calm down. I have a problem with those who bring their oppressive way of life (the very way of life that caused them to leave their home country), and bringing it to a new place that allows you to flourish. Do you know what happens when you let everyone into the country club? It goes to total shit.
I don’t like it.
God knows I like Western culture and female equality and would like to see it spread. It just seems counterproductive to do it this way. It’s just a pointless, controversial measure that immigrants will only perceive as anti-immigrant. Here, a special law, just for you, about what you can and can’t wear. It’s not a very good advertisement for freedom.
You know what changes the status of women in traditional societies? TV.
http://aidwatchers.com/2010/04/this-device-will-change-the-world/
Women in rural India and Brazil see our silly TV shows, Desperate Housewives and the like, and they’re attracted to the way women live here. They have fewer children, less tolerance of domestic violence, and are more likely to enroll their sons and daughters in school. It can be pretty darn appealing to live like a Western woman.
Exporting pop culture is much more compelling than a burqa ban. Do you really think that a law banning an article of clothing will motivate men to treat their wives and daughters better?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If you leave an oppressive country and adopt a new country as your own, then I think you should abide by their laws. If they are good enough to house you, then you should agree to their laws and customs. [/quote]
You have a custom of burqua banning?
Dont bullshit yourself, you want a new law, just for them.
You want to tell women what to wear in the name of preventing that someone tells them what to wear.
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Calm down. I have a problem with those who bring their oppressive way of life (the very way of life that caused them to leave their home country), and bringing it to a new place that allows you to flourish. Do you know what happens when you let everyone into the country club? It goes to total shit. [/quote]
“Everyone” ?
100 in Austria, 100 in Belgium.
This is sheer populism.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Roughly 100 and yet some shitheads wish to get some political mileage by denying them the right to interpret their religion and customs as they see fit.[/quote]
As their husbands and/or father see fit.[/quote]
So?
Do you know how many domestic violence calls there are on an average night in an average city?
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Enough of your moral relativism. It’s utter bullshit when it comes to the matter at hand. The fact is that is DOES promote a negative view toward women, and their husbands tend to be abusive for growing up in that culture. To say “Oh other people do it” is completely ignoring the problem.
There is no right answer. You’re just going to have to piss someone off or undermine security.
One problem with banning burqa in public, is some of those women who were allowed to go outside wearing a burqa will now be forced to stay home/inside. Freedom is relative.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Roughly 100 and yet some shitheads wish to get some political mileage by denying them the right to interpret their religion and customs as they see fit.[/quote]
As their husbands and/or father see fit.[/quote]
So?
Do you know how many domestic violence calls there are on an average night in an average city?
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Enough of your moral relativism. It’s utter bullshit when it comes to the matter at hand. The fact is that is DOES promote a negative view toward women, and their husbands tend to be abusive for growing up in that culture. To say “Oh other people do it” is completely ignoring the problem.[/quote]
I do not care what their culture does.
I care about mine though, and mine does not enforce dress codes at gunpoint.
Yet.
If they stay with an abusive husband, that is entirely there problem.
[quote]orion wrote:
If they stay with an abusive husband, that is entirely there problem.[/quote]
No, it isn’t. Do you really think it’s that easy for them?
Stop deluding yourself.
Don’t like it, and hope we see nothing of the sort in the US.
I think i’ll start wearing a ski mask everywhere I go from now on. How do you think that will go?