Research has found that shame EXACERBATES the problem. Simply put, obese people react to shame by eating MORE. That’s partly why many of them are obese to begin with!
Yale’s Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity has done work regarding this.
I understand.
It was the “liberals” part. Damn liberals.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I understand.
It was the “liberals” part. Damn liberals.[/quote]
It was just because “liberals” actually do believe, at least implicitly, that you can “better” people through government force.
I believe that to be impossible.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I love DB’s writing style so much.
It’s like our board is lucky enough to have its very own Kurt Vonnegut/Hunter Thompson/Bill Hicks(reformed)![/quote]
Thanks Nards. And Lanky. And yolo.
Hey Lanky, you mentioned one of the many unwritten novels floating around in my head. It’s funny you say that because I’ve seriously been considering sitting down and sketching out the idea for a novel and getting to it. I have a couple ideas about what I want to say, because good writers always have Something To Say, but I’d be curious to know what you, and others, think is something that might make an interesting topic. I don’t want to reveal anything about what I have in mind so far, only that it will definitely lean toward addressing narcissism in our society, maybe in some American Psycho meets Brave New World sort of way.[/quote]
Just yesterday I downloaded WAOVW and plan on watching it this weekend. I’ve caught bits and peices over the years but never the whole thing. This is your doing fucker. BTW, you never did answer my question in the jeapoardy thread. It was an easy one too. After all I figured it out in no time.
You mentioned earlier about working in a hospital. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve had a job in a large hospital for a couple years now. It’s life changing to say the least. You catch yourself pissing and moaning about this or that and then the morgue cart goes by lol.
[/quote]
Wait, what question did you ask me? I’ll go back and look but I guess I didn’t notice it.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I love DB’s writing style so much.
It’s like our board is lucky enough to have its very own Kurt Vonnegut/Hunter Thompson/Bill Hicks(reformed)![/quote]
Thanks Nards. And Lanky. And yolo.
Hey Lanky, you mentioned one of the many unwritten novels floating around in my head. It’s funny you say that because I’ve seriously been considering sitting down and sketching out the idea for a novel and getting to it. I have a couple ideas about what I want to say, because good writers always have Something To Say, but I’d be curious to know what you, and others, think is something that might make an interesting topic. I don’t want to reveal anything about what I have in mind so far, only that it will definitely lean toward addressing narcissism in our society, maybe in some American Psycho meets Brave New World sort of way.[/quote]
Just yesterday I downloaded WAOVW and plan on watching it this weekend. I’ve caught bits and peices over the years but never the whole thing. This is your doing fucker. BTW, you never did answer my question in the jeapoardy thread. It was an easy one too. After all I figured it out in no time.
You mentioned earlier about working in a hospital. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve had a job in a large hospital for a couple years now. It’s life changing to say the least. You catch yourself pissing and moaning about this or that and then the morgue cart goes by lol.
[/quote]
Wait, what question did you ask me? I’ll go back and look but I guess I didn’t notice it.[/quote]
Hey you
I posted something on the G
You ignoring me now or what?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I love DB’s writing style so much.
It’s like our board is lucky enough to have its very own Kurt Vonnegut/Hunter Thompson/Bill Hicks(reformed)![/quote]
Thanks Nards. And Lanky. And yolo.
Hey Lanky, you mentioned one of the many unwritten novels floating around in my head. It’s funny you say that because I’ve seriously been considering sitting down and sketching out the idea for a novel and getting to it. I have a couple ideas about what I want to say, because good writers always have Something To Say, but I’d be curious to know what you, and others, think is something that might make an interesting topic. I don’t want to reveal anything about what I have in mind so far, only that it will definitely lean toward addressing narcissism in our society, maybe in some American Psycho meets Brave New World sort of way.[/quote]
Just yesterday I downloaded WAOVW and plan on watching it this weekend. I’ve caught bits and peices over the years but never the whole thing. This is your doing fucker. BTW, you never did answer my question in the jeapoardy thread. It was an easy one too. After all I figured it out in no time.
You mentioned earlier about working in a hospital. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve had a job in a large hospital for a couple years now. It’s life changing to say the least. You catch yourself pissing and moaning about this or that and then the morgue cart goes by lol.
[/quote]
Wait, what question did you ask me? I’ll go back and look but I guess I didn’t notice it.[/quote]
Hey you
I posted something on the G
You ignoring me now or what?[/quote]
Oh. I’ll check it out right now and get back to you on it.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I love DB’s writing style so much.
It’s like our board is lucky enough to have its very own Kurt Vonnegut/Hunter Thompson/Bill Hicks(reformed)![/quote]
Thanks Nards. And Lanky. And yolo.
Hey Lanky, you mentioned one of the many unwritten novels floating around in my head. It’s funny you say that because I’ve seriously been considering sitting down and sketching out the idea for a novel and getting to it. I have a couple ideas about what I want to say, because good writers always have Something To Say, but I’d be curious to know what you, and others, think is something that might make an interesting topic. I don’t want to reveal anything about what I have in mind so far, only that it will definitely lean toward addressing narcissism in our society, maybe in some American Psycho meets Brave New World sort of way.[/quote]
Just yesterday I downloaded WAOVW and plan on watching it this weekend. I’ve caught bits and peices over the years but never the whole thing. This is your doing fucker. BTW, you never did answer my question in the jeapoardy thread. It was an easy one too. After all I figured it out in no time.
You mentioned earlier about working in a hospital. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve had a job in a large hospital for a couple years now. It’s life changing to say the least. You catch yourself pissing and moaning about this or that and then the morgue cart goes by lol.
[/quote]
Wait, what question did you ask me? I’ll go back and look but I guess I didn’t notice it.[/quote]
Hey you
I posted something on the G
You ignoring me now or what?[/quote]
Okay, I looked. I don’t get it. Are you worried that Kaepernick might run into Tony Romeo in the offseason and snap his neck or something? Oh, wait a second. You probably hope something bad happens to that fucking choke artist so you guys actually have a chance in the near future. The way it is now, Romeo is just good enough to keep you guys in NFL purgatory, where you’re not good enough to make the playoffs but too good to have a shot at any of the really good quarterbacks in the draft each year. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I love DB’s writing style so much.
It’s like our board is lucky enough to have its very own Kurt Vonnegut/Hunter Thompson/Bill Hicks(reformed)![/quote]
Thanks Nards. And Lanky. And yolo.
Hey Lanky, you mentioned one of the many unwritten novels floating around in my head. It’s funny you say that because I’ve seriously been considering sitting down and sketching out the idea for a novel and getting to it. I have a couple ideas about what I want to say, because good writers always have Something To Say, but I’d be curious to know what you, and others, think is something that might make an interesting topic. I don’t want to reveal anything about what I have in mind so far, only that it will definitely lean toward addressing narcissism in our society, maybe in some American Psycho meets Brave New World sort of way.[/quote]
Just yesterday I downloaded WAOVW and plan on watching it this weekend. I’ve caught bits and peices over the years but never the whole thing. This is your doing fucker. BTW, you never did answer my question in the jeapoardy thread. It was an easy one too. After all I figured it out in no time.
You mentioned earlier about working in a hospital. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve had a job in a large hospital for a couple years now. It’s life changing to say the least. You catch yourself pissing and moaning about this or that and then the morgue cart goes by lol.
[/quote]
Wait, what question did you ask me? I’ll go back and look but I guess I didn’t notice it.[/quote]
Hey you
I posted something on the G
You ignoring me now or what?[/quote]
Okay, I looked. I don’t get it. Are you worried that Kaepernick might run into Tony Romeo in the offseason and snap his neck or something? Oh, wait a second. You probably hope something bad happens to that fucking choke artist so you guys actually have a chance in the near future. The way it is now, Romeo is just good enough to keep you guys in NFL purgatory, where you’re not good enough to make the playoffs but too good to have a shot at any of the really good quarterbacks in the draft each year. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!![/quote]
Lol
No you goofy bastard.
He is far, far, far from being “muscle bound” for fucks sake
I am waiting on the wife to come home from work, week has fucking sucked and I am behind on football talk.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I love DB’s writing style so much.
It’s like our board is lucky enough to have its very own Kurt Vonnegut/Hunter Thompson/Bill Hicks(reformed)![/quote]
Thanks Nards. And Lanky. And yolo.
Hey Lanky, you mentioned one of the many unwritten novels floating around in my head. It’s funny you say that because I’ve seriously been considering sitting down and sketching out the idea for a novel and getting to it. I have a couple ideas about what I want to say, because good writers always have Something To Say, but I’d be curious to know what you, and others, think is something that might make an interesting topic. I don’t want to reveal anything about what I have in mind so far, only that it will definitely lean toward addressing narcissism in our society, maybe in some American Psycho meets Brave New World sort of way.[/quote]
Just yesterday I downloaded WAOVW and plan on watching it this weekend. I’ve caught bits and peices over the years but never the whole thing. This is your doing fucker. BTW, you never did answer my question in the jeapoardy thread. It was an easy one too. After all I figured it out in no time.
You mentioned earlier about working in a hospital. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve had a job in a large hospital for a couple years now. It’s life changing to say the least. You catch yourself pissing and moaning about this or that and then the morgue cart goes by lol.
[/quote]
Wait, what question did you ask me? I’ll go back and look but I guess I didn’t notice it.[/quote]
Hey you
I posted something on the G
You ignoring me now or what?[/quote]
Okay, I looked. I don’t get it. Are you worried that Kaepernick might run into Tony Romeo in the offseason and snap his neck or something? Oh, wait a second. You probably hope something bad happens to that fucking choke artist so you guys actually have a chance in the near future. The way it is now, Romeo is just good enough to keep you guys in NFL purgatory, where you’re not good enough to make the playoffs but too good to have a shot at any of the really good quarterbacks in the draft each year. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!![/quote]
Lol
No you goofy bastard.
He is far, far, far from being “muscle bound” for fucks sake
I am waiting on the wife to come home from work, week has fucking sucked and I am behind on football talk. [/quote]
I’ll meet you over in the NFL thread in five minutes if you want to chat it up. Either that or on G. Your call.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I love DB’s writing style so much.
It’s like our board is lucky enough to have its very own Kurt Vonnegut/Hunter Thompson/Bill Hicks(reformed)![/quote]
Thanks Nards. And Lanky. And yolo.
Hey Lanky, you mentioned one of the many unwritten novels floating around in my head. It’s funny you say that because I’ve seriously been considering sitting down and sketching out the idea for a novel and getting to it. I have a couple ideas about what I want to say, because good writers always have Something To Say, but I’d be curious to know what you, and others, think is something that might make an interesting topic. I don’t want to reveal anything about what I have in mind so far, only that it will definitely lean toward addressing narcissism in our society, maybe in some American Psycho meets Brave New World sort of way.[/quote]
Just yesterday I downloaded WAOVW and plan on watching it this weekend. I’ve caught bits and peices over the years but never the whole thing. This is your doing fucker. BTW, you never did answer my question in the jeapoardy thread. It was an easy one too. After all I figured it out in no time.
You mentioned earlier about working in a hospital. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve had a job in a large hospital for a couple years now. It’s life changing to say the least. You catch yourself pissing and moaning about this or that and then the morgue cart goes by lol.
[/quote]
Okay, I found your question. What is, Michael Schenker. Duh!
Just kidding. I had to wikipedia the fuck out of that one. I had no clue. Ironic question, too. My neighbor who jams with me sometimes plays a Flying V and was inspired by Dave Mustaine to start playing with it.
I haven’t read the whole thread, so sorry if this has already been mentioned. But I would be against shaming because if one person were to committ suiced from getting “shamed” than it is a horrible idea. And I don’t think it’s that far of a stretch. How many homosexuals that feel ashamed in small towns or from very religous families committ suiced? Very sad…
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread, so sorry if this has already been mentioned. But I would be against shaming because if one person were to committ suiced from getting “shamed” than it is a horrible idea. And I don’t think it’s that far of a stretch. How many homosexuals that feel ashamed in small towns or from very religous families committ suiced? Very sad…[/quote]
At the risk of starting a whole new thread, I think the issue of choice is what separates your two scenarios. No one is born obese.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread, so sorry if this has already been mentioned. But I would be against shaming because if one person were to committ suiced from getting “shamed” than it is a horrible idea. And I don’t think it’s that far of a stretch. How many homosexuals that feel ashamed in small towns or from very religous families committ suiced? Very sad…[/quote]
At the risk of starting a whole new thread, I think the issue of choice is what separates your two scenarios. No one is born obese.[/quote]
Oh well by all means that changes everything…who cares if they kill themselves.
You should realize, it is you and those who think like you that are the reason the fat acceptance movement exists. Funny eh?
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread, so sorry if this has already been mentioned. But I would be against shaming because if one person were to committ suiced from getting “shamed” than it is a horrible idea. And I don’t think it’s that far of a stretch. How many homosexuals that feel ashamed in small towns or from very religous families committ suiced? Very sad…[/quote]
At the risk of starting a whole new thread, I think the issue of choice is what separates your two scenarios. No one is born obese.[/quote]
Oh well by all means that changes everything…who cares if they kill themselves.
You should realize, it is you and those who think like you that are the reason the fat acceptance movement exists. Funny eh?
[/quote]
People who think like me? I don’t call fat people names. I just don’t embrace the victim attitude, which is what fat acceptance really is.
what are people’s thoughts on:
- the reason behind the massive increase in obesity in many Western countries over the last 25 years
and
- what are the solutions to solving this crisis
personally i don’t really agree with shaming for the reasons given in this thread but what action can be taken? No one seems a fan of Gov intervention (banning soft drinks or whatever) so if you are a fan of some kind of “education” what form can this take so as to be actually effective and result in large scale results?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Living in Japan has given me a VASTLY enhanced perspective on the topic. The culture of shame is alive and well here, and while I must make clear that there are aspects of it that I absolutely despise, and I think that there will never be a way to apply it that does not involve certain instances or degrees of “collateral damage,” a little time spent here will go a long way toward convincing just about anyone that collectively administered shame can be one of the most powerful and stabilizing forces in existence for enforcing mutually agreed upon standards of behavior.
[/quote]
I’ll just stand up and say that living in Japan is given me a VASTLY enhanced perspective on the topic as well. I agree the culture of shame is alive and well, but I take the exact opposite view as you do Cortes.
While there may be (may be) times when “ijime” has positive results for society at large, overall it is a horrible thing for (Japanese) society. I just asked my wife what she thinks and she said it is “horrible, horrible.” THis is a debate going on in the country now. I simply think you are on the wrong side of it.
My wife told me that if we ever go back to Japan she never wants to send our kids to middle school in Japan. This is a personal choice that we will make…maybe things will change… but one large reason for this decision is the “shaming”/ijime culture.
as always, this is just my 2 cents.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
what are people’s thoughts on:
- the reason behind the massive increase in obesity in many Western countries over the last 25 years
and
- what are the solutions to solving this crisis
personally i don’t really agree with shaming for the reasons given in this thread but what action can be taken? No one seems a fan of Gov intervention (banning soft drinks or whatever) so if you are a fan of some kind of “education” what form can this take so as to be actually effective and result in large scale results?
[/quote]
I think we (here on this forum) have a pretty good idea of the causes, largely diet but exercise too. I think the key is to get that understanding out there as well as studying to gain a better understanding of the behavioral factors and the mass commercialization of food and it’s social impact or people appetites and eating habits. ie) watch TV for a few hours and see how many times you’re staring at fucking delicious looking food. Food channel, people share food porn on facebook (I do this too btw) but I think these things all affect one’s will to stick to a healthy diet.
Exercise, well that’s just a matter or prioritization mostly, but there are other factors, for example perhaps the excessive warnings about check with your doctor before you do a pushup nonsense that’s a result of the over litigiousness we enjoy right now is telling people that if they can feel their heart beat they are over doing it and will die.
Those are just off the top of my head but I think there are a multitude of factors working against the average kid growing up right now with regards to obesity Actually forget obesity, how about health? Because people get the bad habits and the compromised metabolism and hormone profile before they are obese. Obesity is the result of the broken threshold of years of unhealthy living.
My start would be a food advertising filter on my TV 
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Living in Japan has given me a VASTLY enhanced perspective on the topic. The culture of shame is alive and well here, and while I must make clear that there are aspects of it that I absolutely despise, and I think that there will never be a way to apply it that does not involve certain instances or degrees of “collateral damage,” a little time spent here will go a long way toward convincing just about anyone that collectively administered shame can be one of the most powerful and stabilizing forces in existence for enforcing mutually agreed upon standards of behavior.
[/quote]
I’ll just stand up and say that living in Japan is given me a VASTLY enhanced perspective on the topic as well. I agree the culture of shame is alive and well, but I take the exact opposite view as you do Cortes.
While there may be (may be) times when “ijime” has positive results for society at large, overall it is a horrible thing for (Japanese) society. I just asked my wife what she thinks and she said it is “horrible, horrible.” THis is a debate going on in the country now. I simply think you are on the wrong side of it.
My wife told me that if we ever go back to Japan she never wants to send our kids to middle school in Japan. This is a personal choice that we will make…maybe things will change… but one large reason for this decision is the “shaming”/ijime culture.
as always, this is just my 2 cents.[/quote]
First, “shame” is NOT solely defined by ijime. For the 50th time, I am using a very broad definition of the idea.
With that in mind, riddle me this. How would you, if you could, go about removing the Japanese tendency to punish non-conformity without basically scooping out the very essence of the culture with a melon baller?
Because most of what Japan is, good or bad, is either because of or tied up in the concept of conformity to the group.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
what are people’s thoughts on:
- the reason behind the massive increase in obesity in many Western countries over the last 25 years
and
- what are the solutions to solving this crisis
personally i don’t really agree with shaming for the reasons given in this thread but what action can be taken? No one seems a fan of Gov intervention (banning soft drinks or whatever) so if you are a fan of some kind of “education” what form can this take so as to be actually effective and result in large scale results?
[/quote]
I think we (here on this forum) have a pretty good idea of the causes, largely diet but exercise too. I think the key is to get that understanding out there as well as studying to gain a better understanding of the behavioral factors and the mass commercialization of food and it’s social impact or people appetites and eating habits. ie) watch TV for a few hours and see how many times you’re staring at fucking delicious looking food. Food channel, people share food porn on facebook (I do this too btw) but I think these things all affect one’s will to stick to a healthy diet.
Exercise, well that’s just a matter or prioritization mostly, but there are other factors, for example perhaps the excessive warnings about check with your doctor before you do a pushup nonsense that’s a result of the over litigiousness we enjoy right now is telling people that if they can feel their heart beat they are over doing it and will die.
Those are just off the top of my head but I think there are a multitude of factors working against the average kid growing up right now with regards to obesity Actually forget obesity, how about health? Because people get the bad habits and the compromised metabolism and hormone profile before they are obese. Obesity is the result of the broken threshold of years of unhealthy living.
My start would be a food advertising filter on my TV
[/quote]
what do you think of something like introducing a basic fitness test for school age kids every year?
i understand Putin wants to implement something along these lines in Russia
so maybe something such as every kid from age 6-7 onwards has to meet X standards in flexibilty/endurance/strength
i see no reason to pussy foot around and aay wait until the kids are 12 as many are already very obese by then
standards obviously relatively low and tested every 3 months and increase in difficulty each year until age 18 (and include it in college too)
i think this alone could really help
and if your average over the 4 tests a year is 10% below the standard you have 6 weeks to pass it at the right level or repeat the academic year