Hey Shadow, great thread(s), thanks for taking the time to answer the communities questions.
I’m a B&C guy and have reached a point where I’m pretty happy and satisfied with where I am size and physique wise, so I plan on cruising on just test indefinitely (maybe occasional oral to harden up for vacations or what not).
I plan on incorporating GH as part of my cruise regime, mostly to stay lean and for cosmetic effects and recovery, not new mass. My question is, in your experience how much can I take and for how long before I start developing insulin resistance. I don’t want to have to use insulin and I’d also like to keep my sensitivity high for obvious reasons. In terms of dosing, this is all assuming it’s norditropin , thanks!
How about this - take it for one month, do blood work and see if there is improvement. If everything is improved then go off, if not then continue for 3 months. It’s honestly not ideal without HCG and nolva, but it’s worth a try. It wont hurt you.
Keep me posted.
Good question. If it’s only for cosmetic and fat burning purposes as opposed to mass, you can probably get away with 4iu per day (maybe even 3) and see good benefit. First thing in the mornng 30 minutes before eating (this is the best way to take it if your goal is to lose body fat or maintain low body fat). In my opinion at that dose (assuming your diet is good and you are carb cycling your training and not training days) your insulin resistence should stay where it should be. I wouldn’t say indefinitely but if you are doing 6 months on, 1 off youll be just fine. Cardio a few times per week also helps keep insulin resistence in check.
Low dosing of GH is not a huge risk to insulin when it comes to practicality (assuming you are pretty lean to start etc)
Hope that helps
I try and stay lean year round ~10% so that shouldn’t be an issue. And I already do HIIT cardio, either sprinting (not sure how long I can keep doing that, might have to switch to swimming) or HIIT circuit style calisthenics stuff (mixed grip body wieght pull/chin ups, push ups with a plate on my back, handstand push ups) three, sometimes 4 times a week. And I’m pretty low carb around 200-225g/day at 220lb, except on leg training days when I don’t really count but it’s more than 300g. I don’t do my cardio fasted, not trying to cut it’s more for cardiovascular health and to keep my metabolism up. My only remaining question is, is there any need to split the dosage?
Thanx for quick reply.
Do i need also to check - Free Testosterone??? Some people said tha it is really important and I think that mine can be at low level, however I also have SHBG in the lower part.??
Great! thanks for the advice and easy to follow protocol, I think I’ll stick with 3iu in the morning for the next 6 months along with my cruise dose of test, then take a few weeks off and see where I’m at.
Sorry for the late answer,
Well I switched up things
12 weeks cycle
Test E 600mg/week
EQ 500mg/week 1-8
Dbol 50mg/Day 1-6week
Tren 250mg first week 350 until last week 2-10
Test Prop 450mg/week 7-12
Ari E3D
Caber on Hand
HCG starting week 3 250x2/week
PCT starting 3 days after last pin 40/40/20/20 4 weeks!
The plan is 6 weeks mass with moderate cardio 20,25 min EOD to 6 weeks shredding with the prop lowering carbs cardio EOD 40,60 minutes adding fasted if necessary
First of all you look good if you’ve done this naturally to date.
I still stand behind my original advice…first cycle you should always start basic (test) and you WILL get good results. I assume you are not planning to listen based on your response to the last time I gave you that advice so here are my thoughts on what you wrote. The thought that you can build new muscle mass in only 6 weeks and believe it will stay there while you diet for 6 more weeks shows that you don’t have a lot of understanding about how gaining and leaning out works (yet another reason to start with a basic first cycle …learn). Even if you take 10g or everything for 6 weeks, the amount of real muscle you will retain with this plan is very limited. Add on top of that decreasing calories right after the gain (which doesn’t allow the body time to settle into this “new normal”) you are looking at a huge waste of time. Any muscle you do gain will go and if you’re lucky you will end up with a leaner version of your current self with maybe a lb of muscle.
Your test to EQ ration is off (EQ needs to be higher than test) and the timing for long esters like these needs to be at least 12 weeks for actual results.
How many really good mass gaining sessions do you think you can fit into 6 weeks? Even for top level body builders with a lot of experience 6 weeks is nothing…most take a 6-8 month gaining period to put on new quality muscle. 12 weeks is a bare minimum to think about maintaining your gains.
Less cardio would be more suitable for you also.
I think you are trying to juggle two goals in one cycle and you don’t have enough time so will miss both. Then adding way too much drugs for a first cycle and you’re honestly just never know what works and what doesnt since its too little time and training and too many drugs.
My advice is pick a goal - gain or diet and stick to it for 12 weeks on a test only cycle.
if you completely insist on more than test then add mast for dieting or dbol for gaining with the test. Nothing else. You’ll get great results and will begin to understand how juice works in your body. If you’re in this for the long haul this is the way to go - doing more in your first cycle is not better - patience is the key here.
Yeah man you must be right thank you for the knowledge
Getting too hasted on becoming enhanced ahah
So EQ should be at atleast 700 I thought about doing it for 8 week to get a bit of its effect and be able to be cleared out for PCT 3 days after last test Prop pin Judging by what you said I should switch that up
I’m scared to push above 12 weeks since I’ve read only bad things about your normal production and you go long run
Yes i never cycled before first of october marks my sixth year of training so maybe i’m getting too hasted about it and should go with something more reasonable
If I can ask something more specific with your professional experience where do you think I should head right now ? Bulking a bit more or shredding ? I’m aiming for Muscular men’s physique or classic physique
I will start with the end of the post.
In my professional opinion, your best way to move forward from where you are today is to get yourself below 10% bodyfat BEFORE starting your cycle, and then use the cycle to add clean muscle (this is my advice to anyone fyi before beginning a cycle - over 14% which is about where you are at, the body doesn’t favor adding muscle rather than fat and in fact often favors adding fat depending on your genetics. Below 10% the body tends to have a much easier time adding clean muscle than above, and this is even more true on juice). First thing you should do is adjust your cardio, training, and diet to get yourself down to 10% or below (8-12 weeks should do it depending how strict you are and if you know what you’re doing nutrition wise). Then I still recommend the same cycle I sent to you (500 test per week with some anti estrogens and HCG) and use it to add muscle. You will grow significantly more with this plan trust me. You are getting ahead of yourself and your plan is going to be much worse for you in the long run - your body receptors are clean and fresh adn they don’t need much to be responsive. Why rush so much when the benefit will not be more for you (you can’t rush the body…you will add a similar amount of muscle the first cycle no matter how many compounds you throw at it. You will have more benefit from lowering your body fat first than you will be by adding more drugs).
If you are not open to my plan above, then I would suggest using the cycle (and just to be clear I still mean the basic test cycle) to lean out rather than bulk. If this is the case, use prop rather than E and do daily shots (still 500 per week). This cycle you can run for 8 weeks for dieting purposes - the short ester works right away. If you diet hard for 8 weeks it will be enough to see benefit.
As for your comment about pushing past 12 weeks. 12 weeks is the right amount of time for long esters - my point was more to use the cycle to focus on ONE of your two goals and push it long enough to see the proper gains/fat loss.
You’re making this much more complicated than you need to in my opinion…keep it simple and do things right for the best results short and long term.
Good day, Shadow! I want to add insulin to my cycle. the goal is a set of muscle mass. How can I distribute it during the day and what dosage is needed? My weight 104 kg , bf 14%.
Thanks.
We talked a few months ago. You gave me some good tips for my cycle. Thanks so much.
Last cycle was in May with Test P, Eq, Tren A. I had to stop Eq because I noticed I was loosing some hair. I loved the Tren A though.
First pix is how I looked like in July. Second pix is today.
I’d like to start a new cycle with Test E or Cyp and maybe Deca (scared to do Eq again). The goal is to get bigger while staying lean. What do you suggest for a 12 weeks cycle?
