Shadow Pro Q&A 4.0

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[quote]Lukekk1 wrote:
Hey Shadow,

got few questions and a little problem…

They found few lymph nodes on me, they diagnosed as no danger, caused by some kinda inflamation… So i wasn’t really worried and as we spoke before i said that i will try dbol towards the end of my cycle… it was mild to 20mg a day, then i got rechecked and they noticed that it got worse and that the swelling became bigger and they found more of them

so i was pretty sure it was to dbol, coz dbol is kinda toxic thing. I removed dbol as soon as i could and went to 250mg/e7d just to wait for the next diagnose, didnt wanted to go straight to pct coz i dont know what they will say next.

Now a question concerning prostata enlargement, there are a lot of studies sayin that high test can cause it and some of them say that it’s not due to exogen high test, some people say that DHT’s like dbol can do a lot of negative to it aswell. I was at the urologist yesterday, he checked my balls and said they were ok, no cancer and so on but he didnt check my prostata yet.

Since i\m on 250mg e7d, which is a lot higher than the normal range test you produce, i’m still kinda in danger of it getting even larger(?) Is there anything i can do against it, until i get my next diagnose? Finasterid, does it help in this case?

I seen a lot of people getting it, but they say, if its due to high test then it will get to it’s normal size once you stop with the cycle?
How do you pro’s deal with it, since there is a lots of more drugs than just 500mg test a week?

what would be your best advice in this case? i’m just at 250mg e7d, i’m just eating an extremely calories surplus just to put overall size, including fat right now, should i even go down to 250mg e10d for this purpose(?) and wait for what they gonna tell me when i have my next analysis?

10mg nolva should be enough for 250mg e7d?

thanks in advice[/quote]

Every kidney protection supplement would help to some extent with prostate issues. Your dosages are very low so it’s hard for me to believe that this is the reason you have issues.

10mg of nolvadex will definitely be enough for the dosage you’re taking.

I never really had an issue with this so it’s hard for me to give you advise because I don’t know a lot on the subject.

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[quote]Gtecthefuture wrote:
Hey Shadow,

Whats your opinion on a Test E/Tbol/Anavar cycle for lean mass?

Also what do you think about Front loading (high test dosage first week) for someone who has only 1 cycle under their belt. (Test E cycle only)?[/quote]

I would probably drop the tbol and add masteron or tren (if you’re a more experienced user)
I wouldn’t do any front loading as you suggested.

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[quote]Uncreative123 wrote:
Shadow, you helped me prep for a show (mens physique) last year and it helped a ton. Here I am again waiting til the last minute but I thought I’d try reaching out to you again while in the home stretch (10 days out). I know in your article you mentioned running both Adex AND nolvadex leading up to the show to help dry out- just wanted to confirm this.

I will be out of adex by the end of this week, but have plenty of nolva on hand. I’m going to run the last of my test p/tren a/mast through the end of the week (I know you suggest cutting this 2 weeks out, but I feel that I can dry out pretty fast) and running winny probably up to a day or two before the show. I’ve been running a small amount of T3 as well (25-30mcg)

I know I’m behind where I should be, but I feel good going into this final stretch because the fat still keeps falling off- I haven’t stalled out or shown any signs of stalling out yet either, so I’m hoping I can still drop a decent amount over the next week by upping cardio.

My biggest problem right now…is bloating. I’ve been taking a little detox (intek), though I don’t have a ton, so I’ve kind of been saving it for the last minute. I’ve started a new job where I sit on my ass for 8+ hours a day and I’m not use to it at all and I’ve been bloating up pretty bad on some days because of it. I don’t know why this is so I was wondering if you have any insight on it?

I stopped drinking ICE (those carbonated flavored waters) and it helped a little and I’ve been taking rolaids, which has also helped, but I still get bloated. I can’t pin it on any one food or drink or whether or not it’s my breathing or what. It makes working on posing difficult/frustrating- and even taking pictures. I still felt pretty bloated in the picture I took this morning which I’ve attached. I’m starting to reduce my sodium (hoping to keep it under 2000mg) and I’ll probably take diuretics going into the show. I’m going to experiment with that this weekend and see how it goes.

I know, kind of vague and no mention of diet, but I didnt have a lot of time to write this, so I guess I’m just seeing if you have any last minute advice or anything that you can offer.

Thanks man- and really looking forward to the book![/quote]

This is too complicated to answer in a forum post. I helped you one time with this and you didn’t learn your lesson and you’re asking for advice again at the last minute. There are way too many variables to play with here and it’s cutting it way too close at 10 days out. You’re asking me for a peak week protocol without me knowing any relevant background information.

Last minute advice: don’t leave anything for the last minute! Be prepared on time. This is not how you should look at 10 days out. I apologize for sounding harsh but there’s no magic at 10 days out.

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[quote]Spanish_Bull wrote:
Hello Shadow Pro,

Thanks for this fantastic thread, I’ve been out of “the game” more than half year I’ve lost about 12kg (26 lbs), before stopping I was 230 pounds for 6,3 feet. I’m actually about 15% BF I hope lower it to 13% until December that I will start with roids to continue lowering it and recomp. to the point I was before, after that I want continue improving my physique.

  1. I want that you help me decide what of the following cycle options you consider the more effective way to go.

Option 1: 2 short and one mid length cycle.

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Optiong 2: 2 long cycles.

I know that for many people form here a 14 or 16 weeks cycle is not considered a long cycle, but the longest I’ve ever gone was 14 weeks…

Option 3: Blast & Cruise.

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I’ve never done before a blast & cruise I know that with this option I will archive the greatest gains, but at the same time I’m afraid to do it and don’t recover well… considering that I want to be father in the future…

  • As you see I always start with nandrolone, that’s because actually I’ve got a tendinitis in the shoulder and I think that nandrolone will help to the recovery.
  • I know you’re not a big fan from nandrolone but it always worked for me, boldedone I tried it before at 500mg/EW in addition to Tren-E 600mg/EW and Test-E 750mg/EW and sincerely I didn’t fell any benefit compared to running the same combo without Bolde, however y will give it another try but at this time at 900mg/EW.
  1. What did you think about Pyramiding? I know it was very popular in '70s '80s, now the way to go is lineal dosages but recently I read that is better increase the dosage to keep low the miosatin…

Thanks ;)[/quote]

If you want my advice can you please post a current picture.

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[quote]IVENHOE wrote:
This Pic is for the Guys who wants to know, how the Titties look like, after a Gyno Surgery:

[/quote]

My best advise is that before you think about doing any cycle you should concentrate on lowering your body fat to 10% or less. At this body fat the cycle you’re suggesting won’t give you much.
Concentrate on diet, cardio and training then you can think about a cycle.

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[quote]patrick4588 wrote:
You look like a new lifter, not someone with ten years lifting and especially juicing. Your training and diet need more attention [/quote]

Right on.

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[quote]oceanw0lf wrote:
Hello ShadowPro!

English is not my native language so bare with me :slight_smile:

In a couple of weeks I will start my first ever insuline cycle, along with some test, deca and dbol. I’ve read several guides on how to use slin properly but almost every guide says different things, except for the most basic things such as 7-10g carbs for each iu etc.

The insuline i’m going to use is the fast acting humolog.

I’ll tell you what I eat in a day so you get a good view of my situation:

Meal 1: 8 egg whites, 100g raw oats, 30g whey protein, 30g peanut butter(the one with no sugar) and some vitamins + omega-3.

Meal 2: Gainer consisting of 25g protein, 57g carbs and 350kcal (I’m at work at this point so it’s hard for me to eat a solid meal).

Meal 3: 250g chicken, 100g jasmine rice, 1 table spoon olive oil and broccoli.

Meal 4: Gainer consisting of 25g protein, 57g carbs and 350kcal (I’m at work at this point so it’s hard for me to eat a solid meal).

Before workout(time of the day is around 17:00): Creatine, pre-workout(if I have any), BCAA.

Meal 5 (directly after the workout is done): Gainer consisting of 25g protein, 57g carbs + half dose of vitargo (35g carbs).
Here is where I plan on taking the insuline, directly after workout, 5 minutes pre my post workout shake (thoughts?)

Meal 6 (around 1 hour after my post workout shake, this should be the time my humalog is peaked I believe): 300g potatoes, 200g chicken, broccoli.

Meal 7: 200g beef/red meat, 100g jasmine rice, 1 table spoon olive oil, broccoli.

Meal 8 (before bed): 50g oats, 45g casein/slow protein, 30g natural nutmix.

This is what a day for me looks like 90% of the time.
Would you recommend me taking the insuline post workout together with my shake, or in the morning? What is the pros and cons of the two options? Anything you think I should change?

I usually train 6 days a week, and i’m not planning on doing insuline on my day off.

I want to start low and work my doses up gradually, I’m thinking of something like:

Day 1: 2iu
Day 2: 3iu
day 3: 4iu
Day 4: 5iu
day 6: 6iu
Day 6: 7iu
Day 7: 8iu

And stay on day 7 dose for the rest of the cycle. Planning on doing insuline for 4-6 weeks and then take a break. Another thing I’ve read somewhere is to only do slin 2-3 times a week after a large musclegroup workout (legs, back etc) to avoid diabetes. Thoughts?
I will always have sugar on me if I would get any signs of hypo.

My apologies if this text looks like a mess, I hope you understand enough to give me some advice.

My best regards
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I would like to see a current picture in order to recommend whether you use insulin or not. I usually also recommend that you use it with GH and not alone. It really depends on your goal… For most people I suggest taking it preworkout followed by Plazma at the right amount to compliment the insulin dose.

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[quote]j0hn wrote:
If you could pick a third substance for either bulking or cutting, what would it be?[/quote]

Depends what the first two are.

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[quote]DarkHypnotiq wrote:
Shadow pro thanks for your help I hope you are getting some kind of reimbursement for your wisdom. Quick question, dermatologist put me on Finasteride 1.25mg and Minoxidil 5% a few weeks back and my receding hair line is already growing back FAST. I’m about to begin a cycle but I need to know what’s safe to run with the Finasteride ect. This is also for a bulk but I do not want anything to harsh that will halt my hair regrowth.

Also a few months back you told me to try Eq instead of NPP due to the progesterone sides so I thought I’d add it in the stack. Think I’ll keep the test at a trt dose and let the other compounds do the work since test is the harshest on hair. How often should I pin the boldenon cyp? I like fast esters BTW I like to get in and get out and recover!
Wk 1-4 Anavar 60mg ED
Wk 1-10 Test p 50mg EOD
Wk 1-10 Boldenon Cypionate 600mg ew[/quote]

I’ve never used this substance so I don’t know what their synergetic effects would be.
If you decide to use it do twice a week injections of boldenon.
Add an antiestrogen and HCG here too.

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[quote]EricoB wrote:
Hi ShadowPro, I am still reading up with the previous threads so I hope I am not asking something that has been asked before. If I am, apologies.

Stats:
34 years old
6 foot tall (1.83meters)
185 pounds (84kg)
Bodyfat: 12-14% (estimate)
Sports background: did my last triathlon (1.5km swimming, 40km biking, 10km running) 6 months ago and since then concentrating completely on lifting. From age 18 to 24 I worked out daily in the gym to get in shape, age 24 till 30 I have been doing muay thai, and age 31 till 33 focused on triathlons combined with lifting weights. Since 6 months only weight lifting / bodybuilding.
Goal: build more muscle, gain strength, maybe do a natural amateur competition in a few years
Records: SQ: 90kg / BP: 100kg / DL: 135kg (squat is a bit behind as I used to run/bike/swim)
Supplements use: creatine, protein, multivitamin, fish oil
Juice history: none and also not considering starting for the coming 3 years

Training:
Day 1: Chest, triceps
Day 2: Back, biceps, calves
Day 3: Shoulders, traps
Day 4: Chest, legs, calves
Day 5: Biceps, triceps, traps
Day 6: Back, shoulders
Day 7: Legs, calves, traps

I do abs every other day and a normal training lasts for 60-75 minutes (3 working sets per exercise with 8 repetitions). After training 7 days I have a rest day, or sometimes I do the series above two times in a row followed by 2 rest days depending on how sore I get, how I feel, and my agenda. My focus is on form and I start with the big compound exercises and end with isolation exercises.

Twice a week I add an early morning session of steady pace cardio on a stationary bike (I enjoy doing that with my triathlon background) burning about 500 calories in 30-45 minutes. Based on your earlier posts I will add HIIT also in the near future. In aim to do cardio 4-5 times a week.

Diet:
3,000 calories for maintenance coming from about 275 grams of proteins, 70 grams of fats, and 325 grams of carbohydrates. I am already making changes in what I eat based on advice you gave others earlier (cut out dairy products and add in more red meat, and I will lower my fat intake to below 50 grams per day).

Sleep:
8-9 hours a day (I am pretty strict with that otherwise it will affect my mood too much)

Now I have the following questions and am interested in your opinion on this:

  1. Based on the picture and my stats, would you recommend me to first cut or can I start bulking at this point already?
  2. Do you spot anything out of the ordinary with my training routine and split? I do traps and calves 3 times a week as these body parts normally need more stimulation and on the second round of doing a muscle group in a week I avoid doing the same exercises as I did earlier that week.
  3. I calculated that I need about 2,400 calories per day for maintenance if I do not train. In case I want to cut I would subtract 10% of the calories to reach a deficit and for a bulk I add 300 calories. Next I add the number of calories I burn with exercising to come to my total caloric goal per day. This means that during a bulk my calories can move between 2,700 calories if I do not train and 3,800 calories when I do a cardio session of 45 minutes in the morning and I lift weights for 75 minutes in the afternoon/evening. Does it make sense to you to increase and decrease my calories so much day-to-day keeping in mind that my surplus is stable at 300 calories per day? Or should I aim for an equal amount of calories per day so that it averages out to 300 calories?
  4. In case I want to go from a bulk to a cut my daily calories would drop by about 550 overnight (from a 300 calories surplus to a 10% deficit). Is this smart to do that quickly or would you recommend doing it gradually? If that is the case, how long should it take to go from a bulk to a cut? And the other way around (cut to bulk) it is the same story?
  5. Do you recommend doing the steady pace cardio in the early morning on an empty stomach or is it better to eat first? My gut feeling tells me that an empty stomach leads to burning more fat as no other fuel is available in the early morning.

Thanks a lot in advance already.
[/quote]

  1. You can go either way, you’re lean enough to start some sort of lean gaining cycle but I would do a short 4-6 week diet to go under 10% bf and then start gaining from there.
  2. I don’t answer training questions here
  3. I also don’t write diets here… What you’re doing doesn’t look bad. Your calories and macros in general should change according to your training and activity level.
  4. I always recommend doing things gradually. You’re asking very specific questions here, the answer of how fast to go from phase to phase is very individual.
  5. The difference is not that big. I would probably drink 2 servings of mag10 and do cardio 30min after.
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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]…
[/quote]

  1. You can go either way, you’re lean enough to start some sort of lean gaining cycle but I would do a short 4-6 week diet to go under 10% bf and then start gaining from there.
  2. I don’t answer training questions here
  3. I also don’t write diets here… What you’re doing doesn’t look bad. Your calories and macros in general should change according to your training and activity level.
  4. I always recommend doing things gradually. You’re asking very specific questions here, the answer of how fast to go from phase to phase is very individual.
  5. The difference is not that big. I would probably drink 2 servings of mag10 and do cardio 30min after.[/quote]
    Thanks a lot for the quick feedback, really appreciated!

I will go with your advice and do a 4-6 week cut first. That will also give me some time to monitor if my “maintenance” level was calculated correctly. And of course I will keep reading up with the earlier threads and improve my training/diet further where possible.

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Hello SP,

Been a while since ive been on this thread.
I took your advice and slimmed down before starting a new cycle.
Ive attached a current pic of the shape im in now.
i want to start within a few weeks with 8 weeks: test e 250 mast e 250 e/w and running HCG 250 2x e/w. 10 days after last inject 10 days of 50 mg clomid.
what do u think?

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[quote]EricoB wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]…
[/quote]

  1. You can go either way, you’re lean enough to start some sort of lean gaining cycle but I would do a short 4-6 week diet to go under 10% bf and then start gaining from there.
  2. I don’t answer training questions here
  3. I also don’t write diets here… What you’re doing doesn’t look bad. Your calories and macros in general should change according to your training and activity level.
  4. I always recommend doing things gradually. You’re asking very specific questions here, the answer of how fast to go from phase to phase is very individual.
  5. The difference is not that big. I would probably drink 2 servings of mag10 and do cardio 30min after.[/quote]
    Thanks a lot for the quick feedback, really appreciated!

I will go with your advice and do a 4-6 week cut first. That will also give me some time to monitor if my “maintenance” level was calculated correctly. And of course I will keep reading up with the earlier threads and improve my training/diet further where possible.[/quote]

Try not to over analyze this… Go to the gym and rely on big heavy compound movements with high volume. Pay attention to periworkout nutrition - use Plazma for recovery and to support long/hard sessions. Meal timing is also very important(especially carbs)

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[quote]maikeltjeh89 wrote:
Hello SP,

Been a while since ive been on this thread.
I took your advice and slimmed down before starting a new cycle.
Ive attached a current pic of the shape im in now.
i want to start within a few weeks with 8 weeks: test e 250 mast e 250 e/w and running HCG 250 2x e/w. 10 days after last inject 10 days of 50 mg clomid.
what do u think?[/quote]

You look way leaner and I would say this is a good place to start a cycle from. I would probably go with 400/week of each and just run 10-20mg/day of nolva through the whole cycle.

For pct you can just use nolva and AlphaMale, you don’t need clomid at these dosages.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Spanish_Bull wrote:
Hello Shadow Pro,

Thanks for this fantastic thread, I’ve been out of “the game” more than half year I’ve lost about 12kg (26 lbs), before stopping I was 230 pounds for 6,3 feet. I’m actually about 15% BF I hope lower it to 13% until December that I will start with roids to continue lowering it and recomp. to the point I was before, after that I want continue improving my physique.

  1. I want that you help me decide what of the following cycle options you consider the more effective way to go.

Option 1: 2 short and one mid length cycle.

1081×799 418 KB

Optiong 2: 2 long cycles.

962×741 355 KB

I know that for many people form here a 14 or 16 weeks cycle is not considered a long cycle, but the longest I’ve ever gone was 14 weeks…

Option 3: Blast & Cruise.

1024×824 314 KB

I’ve never done before a blast & cruise I know that with this option I will archive the greatest gains, but at the same time I’m afraid to do it and don’t recover well… considering that I want to be father in the future…

  • As you see I always start with nandrolone, that’s because actually I’ve got a tendinitis in the shoulder and I think that nandrolone will help to the recovery.
  • I know you’re not a big fan from nandrolone but it always worked for me, boldedone I tried it before at 500mg/EW in addition to Tren-E 600mg/EW and Test-E 750mg/EW and sincerely I didn’t fell any benefit compared to running the same combo without Bolde, however y will give it another try but at this time at 900mg/EW.
  1. What did you think about Pyramiding? I know it was very popular in '70s '80s, now the way to go is lineal dosages but recently I read that is better increase the dosage to keep low the miosatin…

Thanks ;)[/quote]

If you want my advice can you please post a current picture.
[/quote]

Yes of course, currently this is my poor shape :`( http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=f92a754

Since these days I have been thinking about various options, I ended making another cycling option: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=457cdc2

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]j0hn wrote:
Just wanted to first thank you Shadow. This has been very educational!

How effective is a test only cycle? at 1g/wk? 2g/wk? etc.

What would you say is the most cost-effective cycle for both bulking and cutting. Test and tren for bulking? Test, tren and winny for cutting?

As you can see I’m on a budget haha.[/quote]

Test only cycles can be very effective. The dosage depends of your past use and level of training and physique. Test and tren combo can be used either for bulking or cutting, the difference will be in the diet.
Same idea for winstrol it can be used for both.

If budget is an issue test and tren combo would be your best option for either purpose. I would also add an antiestrogen and HCG with it. If you can post a picture and some info I can be more specific.

[/quote]

Sorry still getting used to using this forum thing.

If you could pick a third substance for either bulking or cutting, what would it be?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]maikeltjeh89 wrote:
Hello SP,

Been a while since ive been on this thread.
I took your advice and slimmed down before starting a new cycle.
Ive attached a current pic of the shape im in now.
i want to start within a few weeks with 8 weeks: test e 250 mast e 250 e/w and running HCG 250 2x e/w. 10 days after last inject 10 days of 50 mg clomid.
what do u think?[/quote]

You look way leaner and I would say this is a good place to start a cycle from. I would probably go with 400/week of each and just run 10-20mg/day of nolva through the whole cycle.

For pct you can just use nolva and AlphaMale, you don’t need clomid at these dosages.[/quote]

Ty mister!
dont i need any HCG at this dosage? if not, i dont mind :slight_smile:
ill take nolva instead and leave the clomid then.
ty for your reply!

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
Since i’ve found this new source the tren a is giving very pronounced results. I’m 5lbs lighter and i’ve smoked my previous DeadLift PR.

I’m struggling to hold my weight. are there any decent “gainer” shakes or really dense calorie shakes i could use. I’m having to eat some junk food now just to keep from shriveling away. granted I’ve leaned out without even trying or wanting to. I really wanted this to be a gaining cycle (1050-EQ, 600-tren a, test p 630) but my appetite is struggling and my ability to use carbs has been quite amazing.

what i dont want is a shitty whey concentrate type gainer.

I’m all ears for advice.

Edit 11/12/15

I’ve added 25mg Dbol and this has mad a dramatic difference in appetite and can finally smash the calories that I need. for such a light dosage I can already see the benefits of the Dbol. large pumps and the extra carbs have already gave me a much fuller look and have helped me recover from my workouts.[/quote]

Great call on the dbol. I would probably advise running the test a bit higher than the tren for more appetite and gains if mass is your goal here. Increase test to about 750-800. No need to eat junk to keep your weight up.
A great idea for a gainer shake that you can add is Surge Recovery for post workout and in the morning try something like: 16 egg whites, 1 scoop Metabolic Drive, 3tbsp honey, 2-3tbsp almond butter, 1-2 pieces of fruit.
[/quote]

currently my WO nutrion is
Indigo-3G
Micro-PA
Finibar
3 scoops Plazma
PWO nutrion
1 serving MAG-10.

should i add in the Surge Recovery with the MAG-10 or simply replace MAG-10 with the Surge Recovery.

right now my ability to process carbs is unlike ive ever had.
I think adding Surge Recovery because the extra calories and carbs would be necessary given my body’s ability while on this cycle and with my very demanding WO im doing right now.

the question is just add 1 serving or 2?

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[quote]Spanish_Bull wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Spanish_Bull wrote:
Hello Shadow Pro,

Thanks for this fantastic thread, I’ve been out of “the game” more than half year I’ve lost about 12kg (26 lbs), before stopping I was 230 pounds for 6,3 feet. I’m actually about 15% BF I hope lower it to 13% until December that I will start with roids to continue lowering it and recomp. to the point I was before, after that I want continue improving my physique.

  1. I want that you help me decide what of the following cycle options you consider the more effective way to go.

Option 1: 2 short and one mid length cycle.

Optiong 2: 2 long cycles.

962×741 355 KB

I know that for many people form here a 14 or 16 weeks cycle is not considered a long cycle, but the longest I’ve ever gone was 14 weeks…

Option 3: Blast & Cruise.

I’ve never done before a blast & cruise I know that with this option I will archive the greatest gains, but at the same time I’m afraid to do it and don’t recover well… considering that I want to be father in the future…

  • As you see I always start with nandrolone, that’s because actually I’ve got a tendinitis in the shoulder and I think that nandrolone will help to the recovery.
  • I know you’re not a big fan from nandrolone but it always worked for me, boldedone I tried it before at 500mg/EW in addition to Tren-E 600mg/EW and Test-E 750mg/EW and sincerely I didn’t fell any benefit compared to running the same combo without Bolde, however y will give it another try but at this time at 900mg/EW.
  1. What did you think about Pyramiding? I know it was very popular in '70s '80s, now the way to go is lineal dosages but recently I read that is better increase the dosage to keep low the miosatin…

Thanks ;)[/quote]

If you want my advice can you please post a current picture.
[/quote]

Yes of course, currently this is my poor shape :`( http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=f92a754

Since these days I have been thinking about various options, I ended making another cycling option: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=457cdc2
[/quote]

I think you’re making things too complicated. I agree you need to lower your body fat before starting.
Once you do that I would go with a simple and effective cycle without over complicating things - concentrate on training hard and dieting perfectly while you’re on it. The juice will just help you train harder.
Test-e 600-750/week
Tren-e 400-600/week
Eq @ 900/week OR primo @ 400/week

Depending on your goal I would add an oral in the first 6 weeks either dbol @ 50mg OR winstrol @50mg
I would run this for 12 weeks and then either cruise or go into a pct it’s up to you. Take nolva and HCG throughout the whole cycle.

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[quote]j0hn wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]j0hn wrote:
Just wanted to first thank you Shadow. This has been very educational!

How effective is a test only cycle? at 1g/wk? 2g/wk? etc.

What would you say is the most cost-effective cycle for both bulking and cutting. Test and tren for bulking? Test, tren and winny for cutting?

As you can see I’m on a budget haha.[/quote]

Test only cycles can be very effective. The dosage depends of your past use and level of training and physique. Test and tren combo can be used either for bulking or cutting, the difference will be in the diet.
Same idea for winstrol it can be used for both.

If budget is an issue test and tren combo would be your best option for either purpose. I would also add an antiestrogen and HCG with it. If you can post a picture and some info I can be more specific.

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Sorry still getting used to using this forum thing.

If you could pick a third substance for either bulking or cutting, what would it be?
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If you’re asking about a 3rd compound for a test and tren cycle I would say to add an oral for 6-8 weeks. Either dbol if gaining is your goal or winstrol if you want to stay dryer.