awesome, thanks again. funny you mention tren cuz my supplier has a lot of powerlifting clients, so he always has that on hand. I’ll probably start in the next couple weeks and definitely keep you up to date.
Just wanted ask a quick question/advice…Im getting all my bits together for next cycle. i have most of it so far cycle is
test e 1g ew 1-16
tren ace 700mg ew 4-12
oxys 100mg ed 4-10
proviron will also be ran at 50-75mg ed throughout
humalog 10iu pre workout 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
was going to add hgh to the cycle but only want to run pharma as most of these generics are shit and i know my pharma is legit…my question is i was planning on running pfizer genotropin at 10iu 3 x week along with my humalog (read about this 3 x week high dose method for bulking and its supposed to decent) the pharma gh is costing me a fair bit as you can imagen…would it make a big difference to the cycle vs without in your opinion? as i don’t want to waste that much money if not. (plan to run the hgh for as long as funds will allow at least 12months+) I’m not expecting miracles from the hgh, more about the synergy of all compounds together…
Thanks for your time
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]bill2 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]bill2 wrote:
one more[/quote]
You can try something basic like this:
Test-P @ 100mg EOD
Tren-A @ 100mg EOD
Mast-P @ 100mg EOD
Nolvadex @ 10mg everyday
HCG @ 250iu 2x/week
Winstrol @ 25-50mg/week (first 4 weeks)
Take liver support with this like Tudca and NAC if you’re worried.
There isn’t anything that won’t have any effect on the liver at all… Even medication for a simple cold will have effects on the liver.[/quote]
thanks shadow…
-1)i saw you recomended fast acting injectables…that means that although fast acting the liver handles them the same way as slower injectables?
-2) you recomended 1000 mg weekly of total injectable AAS . i assume you consider this amount a prety safe and liver-health friendly right ?
at what amound of total mg do you think we are starting to put more unnesesary stress at health markers? ( liver ,prostate, hypertension ,cholesterol etc…)
_-3) as i said i have no inspiration to compete but continue to build muscle at the healthiest way possible …
is this recomended cycle from you, the best possible, according to your experiences towards those goals of mine?
keep up the good work bro![/quote]
- Every cycle you do will have some effect on the liver. There’s always some kind of a risk with any cycle. These dosages are considered very low and as long as you’re taking your liver support you shouldn’t have any issue.
2.in terms of the goals you mentioned this cycle would be the best option for both results and health. Everyone is different, some people can handle a lot more without any health issues. Some people will take very small amounts and experience negative side effects so it really depends on the individual. This is why I always recommend to start low and see how the body responds. - Yes. If you want to be extra cautious you can drop the tren and the winstrol and just do test & mast but it won’t give you the same results especially in these dosages.[/quote]
thank you very much shadow…
you cleared some things up for sure…
i will take care of my liver with tudca ok…
also…
i have in hand test eq masteron and primo…
can you recomend a few cycles with those compounds toward my goals please…?
( not sure how to combine those substances together to make the most synergistic effect…)
Shadow,
How do you feel about people buying on the darknet vs. buying on clearnet?
[quote]ginston wrote:
Just wanted ask a quick question/advice…Im getting all my bits together for next cycle. i have most of it so far cycle is
test e 1g ew 1-16
tren ace 700mg ew 4-12
oxys 100mg ed 4-10
proviron will also be ran at 50-75mg ed throughout
humalog 10iu pre workout 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
[/quote]
i know im not shadowpro and i dont want to hijack your question but your dosages seems way to high for me and the cycle length probably to long. this is almost a “pro cycle” in my eyes. with that amount of tren and anadrol my apettite would be dead…
[quote]Porrata wrote:
awesome, thanks again. funny you mention tren cuz my supplier has a lot of powerlifting clients, so he always has that on hand. I’ll probably start in the next couple weeks and definitely keep you up to date. [/quote]
Tren is definitely the best injectable in terms of results. You can’t go wrong with it just keep caber on hand and be aware of any side effects.
[quote]ginston wrote:
Just wanted ask a quick question/advice…Im getting all my bits together for next cycle. i have most of it so far cycle is
test e 1g ew 1-16
tren ace 700mg ew 4-12
oxys 100mg ed 4-10
proviron will also be ran at 50-75mg ed throughout
humalog 10iu pre workout 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
was going to add hgh to the cycle but only want to run pharma as most of these generics are shit and i know my pharma is legit…my question is i was planning on running pfizer genotropin at 10iu 3 x week along with my humalog (read about this 3 x week high dose method for bulking and its supposed to decent) the pharma gh is costing me a fair bit as you can imagen…would it make a big difference to the cycle vs without in your opinion? as i don’t want to waste that much money if not. (plan to run the hgh for as long as funds will allow at least 12months+) I’m not expecting miracles from the hgh, more about the synergy of all compounds together…
Thanks for your time[/quote]
I would probably go with dbol instead of the Anadrol, it seems to have better synergy with tren. I don’t see any issue with running the tren for 10-12 weeks.
GH will help a lot if you’re actually going to stay on it for a year. The quality gains you can get when you combine it with a cycle like this can make a big difference in your end result especially when it’s pharm GH. I still haven’t seen anyone use real GH and complain about lack of results.
[quote]bill2 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]bill2 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]bill2 wrote:
one more[/quote]
You can try something basic like this:
Test-P @ 100mg EOD
Tren-A @ 100mg EOD
Mast-P @ 100mg EOD
Nolvadex @ 10mg everyday
HCG @ 250iu 2x/week
Winstrol @ 25-50mg/week (first 4 weeks)
Take liver support with this like Tudca and NAC if you’re worried.
There isn’t anything that won’t have any effect on the liver at all… Even medication for a simple cold will have effects on the liver.[/quote]
thanks shadow…
-1)i saw you recomended fast acting injectables…that means that although fast acting the liver handles them the same way as slower injectables?
-2) you recomended 1000 mg weekly of total injectable AAS . i assume you consider this amount a prety safe and liver-health friendly right ?
at what amound of total mg do you think we are starting to put more unnesesary stress at health markers? ( liver ,prostate, hypertension ,cholesterol etc…)
_-3) as i said i have no inspiration to compete but continue to build muscle at the healthiest way possible …
is this recomended cycle from you, the best possible, according to your experiences towards those goals of mine?
keep up the good work bro![/quote]
- Every cycle you do will have some effect on the liver. There’s always some kind of a risk with any cycle. These dosages are considered very low and as long as you’re taking your liver support you shouldn’t have any issue.
2.in terms of the goals you mentioned this cycle would be the best option for both results and health. Everyone is different, some people can handle a lot more without any health issues. Some people will take very small amounts and experience negative side effects so it really depends on the individual. This is why I always recommend to start low and see how the body responds. - Yes. If you want to be extra cautious you can drop the tren and the winstrol and just do test & mast but it won’t give you the same results especially in these dosages.[/quote]
thank you very much shadow…
you cleared some things up for sure…
i will take care of my liver with tudca ok…
also…
i have in hand test eq masteron and primo…
can you recomend a few cycles with those compounds toward my goals please…?
( not sure how to combine those substances together to make the most synergistic effect…)[/quote]
If the goal is to gain mass I would go with a test (500mg) and eq (500mg) cycle for 12 weeks. The masteron is more of a cutting drug. You can use test and primo or test and masteron if you prefer to stay hard and lean. Keep the test at 500 and the masteron or primo at 400
[quote]NHutch wrote:
Shadow,
How do you feel about people buying on the darknet vs. buying on clearnet?[/quote]
I don’t know what this is…
[quote]veniceboy wrote:
[quote]ginston wrote:
Just wanted ask a quick question/advice…Im getting all my bits together for next cycle. i have most of it so far cycle is
test e 1g ew 1-16
tren ace 700mg ew 4-12
oxys 100mg ed 4-10
proviron will also be ran at 50-75mg ed throughout
humalog 10iu pre workout 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
[/quote]
i know im not shadowpro and i dont want to hijack your question but your dosages seems way to high for me and the cycle length probably to long. this is almost a “pro cycle” in my eyes. with that amount of tren and anadrol my apettite would be dead…[/quote]
If I remember correctly I saw his picture and he is an experienced user… These dosages are high and not recommended for an average gym goer.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ginston wrote:
Just wanted ask a quick question/advice…Im getting all my bits together for next cycle. i have most of it so far cycle is
test e 1g ew 1-16
tren ace 700mg ew 4-12
oxys 100mg ed 4-10
proviron will also be ran at 50-75mg ed throughout
humalog 10iu pre workout 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
was going to add hgh to the cycle but only want to run pharma as most of these generics are shit and i know my pharma is legit…my question is i was planning on running pfizer genotropin at 10iu 3 x week along with my humalog (read about this 3 x week high dose method for bulking and its supposed to decent) the pharma gh is costing me a fair bit as you can imagen…would it make a big difference to the cycle vs without in your opinion? as i don’t want to waste that much money if not. (plan to run the hgh for as long as funds will allow at least 12months+) I’m not expecting miracles from the hgh, more about the synergy of all compounds together…
Thanks for your time[/quote]
I would probably go with dbol instead of the Anadrol, it seems to have better synergy with tren. I don’t see any issue with running the tren for 10-12 weeks.
GH will help a lot if you’re actually going to stay on it for a year. The quality gains you can get when you combine it with a cycle like this can make a big difference in your end result especially when it’s pharm GH. I still haven’t seen anyone use real GH and complain about lack of results.
[/quote]
Thanks shadow…will let you know how i get on. will be using genotropin goquicks for as long as a can afford. You find you get a different look to your physique on hgh than vs without?
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]veniceboy wrote:
[quote]ginston wrote:
Just wanted ask a quick question/advice…Im getting all my bits together for next cycle. i have most of it so far cycle is
test e 1g ew 1-16
tren ace 700mg ew 4-12
oxys 100mg ed 4-10
proviron will also be ran at 50-75mg ed throughout
humalog 10iu pre workout 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
[/quote]
i know im not shadowpro and i dont want to hijack your question but your dosages seems way to high for me and the cycle length probably to long. this is almost a “pro cycle” in my eyes. with that amount of tren and anadrol my apettite would be dead…[/quote]
If I remember correctly I saw his picture and he is an experienced user… These dosages are high and not recommended for an average gym goer.[/quote]
yea i did post a pic recently…your correct. I wouldn’t recommend these doses to every gym goer etc. be sensible and use what works for YOUR body. i tolerate these doses very well with minimal if any sides if ran correctly and the gains are fantastic.
[quote]ginston wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]veniceboy wrote:
[quote]ginston wrote:
Just wanted ask a quick question/advice…Im getting all my bits together for next cycle. i have most of it so far cycle is
test e 1g ew 1-16
tren ace 700mg ew 4-12
oxys 100mg ed 4-10
proviron will also be ran at 50-75mg ed throughout
humalog 10iu pre workout 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
[/quote]
i know im not shadowpro and i dont want to hijack your question but your dosages seems way to high for me and the cycle length probably to long. this is almost a “pro cycle” in my eyes. with that amount of tren and anadrol my apettite would be dead…[/quote]
If I remember correctly I saw his picture and he is an experienced user… These dosages are high and not recommended for an average gym goer.[/quote]
yea i did post a pic recently…your correct. I wouldn’t recommend these doses to every gym goer etc. be sensible and use what works for YOUR body. i tolerate these doses very well with minimal if any sides if ran correctly and the gains are fantastic.
[/quote]
I definitely see a big change in how I look when I’m on GH, muscle is fuller and gains are much cleaner. There’s a certain look to your skin that’s very different - it looks tighter. It also makes it easier to burn fat and you can eat a lot more and absorb it. Nothing else compares when it comes to recovery.
Hi shadow I’m after some advice that could help me maybe…tuesday just gone i managed to sustain an injury in the gym while training legs. I’ve torn part of the tear drop part of my quad muscle and some of the tendon. been having scans etc to see the extent of the damage. May have to have an op on Thursday…
I’m absolutely gutted! as planned to compete next year. Is there anything you can advise to help with recovery? i was looking into hgh and peptides such as t500 etc. I understand it’s a matter of time but curious if there is anything that could aid recovery.
I apologize if you have already answered this SP, but I was wondering what your thoughts are on “when” people should do your first cycle? What I mean by this is, do you think one should reach a certain point of strength/mass or whatever their goals are and have been training for quite a few years, or do you think as long as they have decent size and strength already, why not?
I know this is quite the loaded answer with a complicated answer possibly, but I am genuinely curious to hear your thoughts, thanks.
[quote]ginston wrote:
Hi shadow I’m after some advice that could help me maybe…tuesday just gone i managed to sustain an injury in the gym while training legs. I’ve torn part of the tear drop part of my quad muscle and some of the tendon. been having scans etc to see the extent of the damage. May have to have an op on Thursday…
I’m absolutely gutted! as planned to compete next year. Is there anything you can advise to help with recovery? i was looking into hgh and peptides such as t500 etc. I understand it’s a matter of time but curious if there is anything that could aid recovery. [/quote]
Sorry to hear about the injury. I know how heartbreaking it can be when it’s a major injury that requires surgery. Just remember that you can always come back better than ever if you put in the proper work in rehab and recovery.
As for what to take to aid recovery… Before starting anything only take natural supplements to let your body do it’s own healing.
In order of importance:
- Curcumin 1000+mg/day
- vitamin c 3g /day
- Flameout 10-12g/day (possibly more)
- superfood - proper nutrition is a huge part of recovery.
Once the first 6 weeks of recovery are done and you start active rehab I would suggest the following:
- tb500 Start at a very high dose and slowly taper down over 8 weeks.
- GH Anywhere between 2-10iu/day. Do the opposite here - start low and slowly ramp up. Do the injections in the general area of the injury.
- igf1 if you have access to it. Injections to the injured area. Start with 25mcg/ day and bump it up from here.
Stay very hydrated during the recovery process. Once you are able to start moving then active rehab will be the key. Daily movements and increasing ROM slowly everyday.
[quote]daltron wrote:
I apologize if you have already answered this SP, but I was wondering what your thoughts are on “when” people should do your first cycle? What I mean by this is, do you think one should reach a certain point of strength/mass or whatever their goals are and have been training for quite a few years, or do you think as long as they have decent size and strength already, why not?
I know this is quite the loaded answer with a complicated answer possibly, but I am genuinely curious to hear your thoughts, thanks.[/quote]
Excellent question!
It’s hard to give a general answer here but I’ll try…
There’s always going to be exceptions and some freaks who can tolerate more at a younger age. My general answer would be to start when you’re maxing your own natural potential. This is where it gets tricky. Let’s say a very talented young athlete who trained serious with weights and had a perfect diet from the age of 16-22, by this time he’s almost hit his natural potential because he’s put in the years of work and in a case like this I would say go ahead even though 22 is young. On the other hand you have a 20 year old who just started training and fucking around in the gym for 2 years, diet isn’t on track, technique is questionable and has plenty more to improve naturally then I would absolutely not recommend it.
I’m being very general here but I’d say for most people it would take anywhere between 3-8 years of serious training and dieting to max their natural potential however there are always exceptions. There’s no written rule here it really depends on the individual.
A good rule to know when you may be close to maxing your training potential could be 2x bodyweight in squat and deadlift and 1.5x bodyweight in bench with clean form for a few reps. I wouldn’t suggest taking anything until you can do this and when you can then I would possibly say you have a decent strength and size base. If your diet and supplements are dialed in as well then it might be something to consider.
Also before starting I would suggest to be at a minimum of 10% body fat to get the most benefit in terms of body composition.
I hope this helps.
Just wanted to first thank you Shadow. This has been very educational!
How effective is a test only cycle? at 1g/wk? 2g/wk? etc.
What would you say is the most cost-effective cycle for both bulking and cutting. Test and tren for bulking? Test, tren and winny for cutting?
As you can see I’m on a budget haha.
As always shadow, thanks for your time and response in advance… I’ve ran a few aas cycles and find test/tren for the first half of my cycle and test win and mast for cutting in the 2nd half prior to a show. I’m looking to add growth to my next cycle and wanted your advice on how to add it in.
I typically will do the first 8 weeks test/ tren and then cut for the next 6… Should I add it to the 8 weeks? How many iu per day? Do I take a break in there anywhere? Should it cross over into cutting at all? I appreciate your wisdom!
[quote]j0hn wrote:
Just wanted to first thank you Shadow. This has been very educational!
How effective is a test only cycle? at 1g/wk? 2g/wk? etc.
What would you say is the most cost-effective cycle for both bulking and cutting. Test and tren for bulking? Test, tren and winny for cutting?
As you can see I’m on a budget haha.[/quote]
Test only cycles can be very effective. The dosage depends of your past use and level of training and physique. Test and tren combo can be used either for bulking or cutting, the difference will be in the diet.
Same idea for winstrol it can be used for both.
If budget is an issue test and tren combo would be your best option for either purpose. I would also add an antiestrogen and HCG with it. If you can post a picture and some info I can be more specific.