Sex on T-mag

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I have answered in the Training & Nutrition forum, but just a few thoughts…

  1. Just because you don’t like an article doesn’t mean it sucks! Honestly I hated “The English patient” but I cannot say that it sucked. When you don’t like an article just say so, but don’t extrapolate!

  2. Writing a good article is very hard. Writing it for a demanding and knowledgeable crowd such as our readers is even harder. Add that the high expections that comes with each of our issues and it can be downright impossible to come up with something good! Sure writing an article sounds easy, but honestly it is one helluva hard job! Before being part of the T-mag staff I submitted a lot of articles to TC, all of which were rejected. Writing an interesting article is something that actually leaves me empty and tired! You gotta think long and hard about what peoples want to read and translate it into words.

  3. Being a critique is easy. But without action, words mean NOTHING. Ok, so you didn’t like the article; you feel that it was a waste of space … fine … why don’t you write a piece, submit it to TC and see if it’s good enough for publication. I tend to dismiss subjective critiques by individuals who are not willing to put their head on the stake.

  4. I, for one, liked the article. I feel that it’s a welcome change from the wealth of training info that we provide. I don’t know about you, but sometimes I get a little tired of everything that’s related to training and I need to turn the switch to “off”. Now, you didn’t like the article… that’s okay … I don’t even like all the articles that I write! But please be respectful and be ready to put your head on the stake!

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I'll be the spokesman for everyone present (and by everyone I mean 2 or 3 people, 4 tops).


The article wasnt a complete waste of space. It just wasnt controversial per se. Im sure no one here is shocked to learn a girl masturbates or enjoys backdoor sex.

I think the rants come strictly from how Maureen came out. She is pretty cute, Ill give her that, to be fair. But she came out as very bitchy and stuck-up. She's not a goddess, and everyone got the impression she thought she was one.

I have to say I agree with what everyone said on the issue. But I do think there are certain limits on how far we should go as far as personal attacks go - it's not the t-man philosophy to do so. Going as far as attacking Maureen's physical appearance strictly for revenge crossed that line. There is nothing wrong with bringing someone back to reality and say 'Dang woman! You be banging hot mama!' (or the like), but we should stick to that.

I am just trying to be the voice of reason and sanity here.

People: You may resume the rock-throwing feast.
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Christian, one problem with your request is that some of us have enough good sense not to send in the drivel that we might deem to be an article. I think some are upset because Maureen didn’t show the same restraint. And I think the problem most are having with the article is that of the message. If I wished to write an article about the savory taste of human flesh, it could be a literary masterpiece, yet tasteless (pardon the pun) nonetheless. However, I do see your point, and it is a valid one.

And I still believe some people missed Vain’s original point, and if I may, I would like to expound on what he is feeling. While I have very much enjoyed most of the sexual humor, I would also very much enjoy looking at some of the magazines listed in this week’s edition of Ghost Dog. They’re soft core porn. I think Vain just wants to make sure we don’t blur the line between the outstanding magazine that T-mag is and the trash that litters the supermarket shelves. I would imagine that TC would agree.

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Why would you want to have sex on a T-mag??

You could potentially get class shards in your ass or mess up some perfectly good cover-art.

Yeah bad joke, but someone had to do it.

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Christian, I agree with you, writing a good article is quite a job. It normally takes me 10 hours (not counting breaks, etc) to compose an article that I am happy with. It really is tough to put together something quality.

Secondly, while I understand your point regarding liking an article vs. it sucking, this article is different from a training article or even an atomic dog that I simply didn’t care for. Sure, if I dont like one of those articles, I’ll leave it at that. If an article doesn’t interest me, or if I didn’t learn anything from it, whatever- no big deal. I realize that I’m not the only reader out there. However, this article was different, much different. If Maureen didn’t want people to formulate opinions about her, she should have composed her little rant in her diary, not a national magazine. She submitted her article (if you want to call it that) to T-mag because she wanted people to read it; she felt as though she had something worthwhile to say. That’s nice. Well, I read it, and so did many others. The consensus seems to be that she came off as an arrogant bitch who thinks way too highly of herself. The fact that “T-vixen” follows her first name bothers me. She is far from it. She does not know what a T-man is, and she certainly doesn’t deserve one until she comes back to planet earth and realizes that she ain’t tha “bomb ass shit” that she believes herself to be. There is a reason why she can’t find the type of guy she desires- her attitude sucks. Completely sucks; it’s the worst. Also, she touts herself as some physical goddess, and then you scroll down to see her picture and you sit there like “Ummm, yeaaaaa…” I’m not one to go around talking about the way people look; I could care less. I’m much more interested in getting to know people, where their heart is, what kind of person they are, etc. But don’t go on and on flattering yourself when ya aint all that. When you do that, you open yourself up for people to provide you with a reality check. You could be gorgeous, but with that attitude, you just end up ugly. She put herself out there in an arrogant manner in a national magazine and she had better be ready to eat the feedback.

Joel

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Allow me to make a comparison between two widely published mens magazines. I do not want this to degenerate into a “what’s better thread” on these magazines, but I think it help on the point.

GQ-Maxim

There is an obvious difference between the two publications. The latter is more purient. While GQ has episodic pandering to sexuality, Maxim is clearly targeting that aspect of the present human condition. GQ has a wide array of articles covering politics, crime, fiction, dress, etc. (of course their training and fitness articles are weak, but so are pretty much anybody’s but T-Mags). I guess thats the distinction…

As for Maureen T-Vixen, I could really care less. I do not judge her as a person, but I can certainly say that ain’t my type if you know what I mean.

Out
Vain

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I think the article this week has no place in this magazine. We have TC’s editorial every week to read already and that’s enough non-training content for me. Personally, I’d prefer an article in its place that teaches me something. There are other sources that cover the sex angle much better and they are at home in my closet. I don’t want to have to start keeping T-Mag in there, too. For God sakes, this kind of content is precisely one of the reasons why T-Mag ridicules the other publications out there ie Muscular Development.

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Holy Moly! After starting to read this thread I realized I must have missed one hell of an article. Went back and read it. All I can say is
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

Not only did the original topic totally get hijacked but I’ve not heard so much blind parroting of completely predictable, completely typical, asinine, politically correct, we-want-to-live-in-a-bubble-of-nonreality, madonna-whore-paradox, threatened male ego, we-don’t-like-her-because-she’s-too-full-of-herself BULLSHIT since I first came to these boards and everyone attacked me. Have you all not learned anything from that?!

Good friggin’ grief! Do we need some simple rules for articles:

If you don’t like the content, don’t read it.

If you don’t like the style, don’t read it.

If you don’t like the author, don’t read it.

If you don’t find the author attractive, don’t fuck her/him.

If your ego is so weak as to be threatened by some article on the net… well… I have no words for you.

If you have a problem with discussion of adult material on an adult oriented site, build a bridge and get over it.

If any of the afore mentioned “shoes” don’t fit you, then don’t take umbrage.

That said, there were a couple of things that caught my eye…

Irondoc: I have a kid, a seven year old boy very capable of reading, surfing the net and finding adult oriented material. Have my views on parents watching their children or my concern for the moral degradation of our society changed since I’m now a parent of a cognizant, impressionable being? Um, no. See, unlike the vast and unfortunate majority of parents out there, I believe in open HONEST communication in terms appropriate for the maturity level of the child. I take the sex and violence saturated environment that is American Culture and use it to teach my child about what our family’s values are. I don’t give a flying fuck what anyone else’s family’s values are - that’s their business. And their values very well may be different than mine. That’s fine. We don’t have to strive toward some homogenous goal. We just need to each take that responsibility and teach our kids what’s right for them. Glad you are doing your part.

SteelyEyes, ScrubMD2B: Excellent, excellent posts. Good work.

Joel: While your condescension never ceases to amaze me, you do have a good point in your last post. Just as her attitude ruins your receptivity toward whatever she may have to offer, your attitude ruins it for me.

Christian: Point 1, 3 and 4 - Amen.

Cupcake: Good points. Thanks for the objectivity. To answer one of them: I can relate to the article - in a big way. I have had sex, just for the sake of having sex, with an ex. I have had it in public places (I kinda dig that). I’ve felt that I was “too good” for a guy - whether based on his lack of intelligence, lack of ambition, lack of personality, lack of whatever. And I’d venture to guess most people out there have felt the same way. I’ve also felt that a guy was “too good” for me - that I wasn’t smart, attractive, ambitious, whatever enough to deserve him. I’ve been through stages of randiness and stages of imposed celibacy. I applaud Maureen for keeping Adam & Eve (fine purveyors of toys that they are) in business instead of shlepping to the nearest bar and scraping that night’s fuck off the floor. While I may have a different writing style than Maureen, as far as the bottom line goes, I relate.

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~karma~, while some people may have veered off topic (no, not on a thread here! :slight_smile: ), I do not think that the original topic was about having sex talked about on T-mag. I just think some fear that some articles (including the Celibacy one) may come very close to the same trash that we all make fun of being produced by newstand mags.

Just because something has sex in it does not make it real, relavant, or related to training. I’m all in favor of educating your children (not a parent myself yet), but I’m not in favor of reading Muscle & Fitness either, you know? It’s like watching Cinemax soft core porn - it’s just stupid and unrealistic. T-mag is better than that, and I honestly believe it will stay a top notch magazine, it’s just that some of us were voicing our concerns over the direction of some of the material. I’m sure the editors value all of our opinions, as we have seen that they do indeed respond to their audience.

My values, or lack of them in some instances, really have nothing to do with my reasons for posting on this thread. While some may make this a moral topic, it’s more of a T-mag content topic to me.

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Ya’ know, I was wonderin where ~K~ was…

“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane”

~ Oscar Wilde

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Do you take that umbrage stuff with P&F or P&C meals? Will it help me improve my bench press 1 RM?

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I don’t anybody here has a problem with sex in Tmag.

It’s the fact that it was a full article about sex and not just little snippets “within” a “useful” article.

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Karma, I’m so disappointed because you are exactly the type of girl that I look to impress. I think I’ll go cry now.

Joel

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:wink: Ah Joel, I see we have a lil’ mutual admiration society meeting going here… Glad to know it’s all reciprocal.

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Karma
If I might redact to your post. I hope I can do justice to your astute points.

My original post was not about political correctness although I can see how it might have come off like that. It was more oriented, as JaredNFS stated, towards the pandering to today’s lechorous mindset of society. I think one has to agree that we have not evolved as a communal society in terms of our ethics and morals, or at least what we overtly present them as. I was not attacking anyone as an individual.

Your point about using society’s garbage saturated entertainment mediums to teach your children about morals and values is great, however, wouldn’t it be nice not to have to explain over and over again why people fuck on television, why people beat the piss out of each other on shows, etc. etc. Surely, no matter how this allows you to teach your children, it can not be good at a systematic level.

On the issue of an article being on this site that I don’t care for so don’t read it. Fuck that. I will read everything on this site, and offer my opinion. That’s such a passive, apathetic, and insouciant response. This board sure as hell wouldn’t be what it is today if the editors didn’t get feedback about what WE liked and what we didn’t like, and furthermore, why we didn’t like it. Hence, the reason that any good magazine or publication, such as this, has a little section called “letters to the editor.” I have no problem building a bridge, but whether I cross it, or walk underneath it is a different story.

I do not espouse that this country, this continent, or furthermore this world should have some homogenous goal. What I do subscribe to are overarching levels of common decency. I do care about what my neighbors family values might be becuase they are going to influence the community I live in, the climate at the school my kids go to, and so forth. If your neighbor’s family values were based on some shit like Ayrian brotherhood, would you want your children associating with them? Furthermore, would you simply sit and ignore the sheer hypocrisy, garbage, and ignorance of their beliefs? Or would you try to make a difference? Fight for an ideal?

Active or Passive?

I choose active.

Out
Vain

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I’m working on my article on how I’m the Bomb Diggity, and I can’t find a woman worth my time… I hope I don’t get flamed.

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Ditto Christian’s 4th point.

It was fun. (I liked her go-to-blazes attitude.)

It was titillating. (I don’t care for those other magazines, so a little vicarious randiness didn’t hurt.)

It was challenging! (Hmmm. Do I present a total package of brains and brawn that a T-Vixen would want? I know some women who think so, but what would this author think? ALWAYS interesting to hear what women are honestly thinking.)

I wouldn’t share it with my wife, but my FIRST thought was to email a (divorced) T-Vixen friend and tell her she MUST read it, because I thought she’d appreciate the sentiments about trying to find a decent guy. She understood it completely, but felt the style could have been less “crude” and still been interesting.

Quite the range of opinions around here. This is a grat thread, no matter which way the topic goes!

At least T-Mag doesn’t dress up an article like this AS IF it had something to do with training. “Beautiful Butts” as a cover story over in MuscleMag? I can’t seriously compare that to an editorial with a single person’s viewpoint on the difficulty of finding a suitable partner.

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Karma,
Again, I am a great fan of your no-nonsense style. No cmc, I’m not trying to get her into bed. I have respect for people who step outside the politically correct crap. I have a real problem with anyone telling me what to think and what to say. I say let the honesty flow. Open communication is a far more effective tool for personal and domestic growth.
Karma, From what I can ascertain, your parenting style and mine are quite different. HOWEVER, if you raise a son who is happy and is prepared to become a productive member of society and takes the duties of citizenship seriously, then you are a good parent.
I don’t have a problem with sexuality being discussed on this forum. MY GOD, WE ARE ON A TESTOSTERONE FORUM. What do you expect. High testosterone=high libido. I have an idea for all of you parents. Discuss sexuality openly. Trust your children. Allow them access to sexual information when you deem they are mature enough to handle it. Above all, COMMUNICATE!!!

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Whether or not the article seemed offensive is besides the point in light of the greater issue about to be exposed. Whatever erection I might have gotten from this trashy porn story quickly withered when I scrolled down to her picture. The T-vixen in question is obviously some sort of S and M zombie.

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I think the point is that some people are attracted to t-mag because it is supposed to be different than other publications out there. However, it seems as if t-mag is slowly slouching towards the other publications.

A few months back, t-mag did an expose on trick photography in the supplement industry. Then, a few months later, they publish an article including many after pictures guilty of exactly many of the things TC pointed out (certainly, Christian underwent some kind of change, but the difference in photo quality between the befores and the afters is quite large making it hard to tell exactly what kind of change happened…basically, we can see a change, but it is difficult to quantify it).

Second, a while back, a t-mag writer wrote how most of today’s muscle rags include too much “softcore porn”…essentially saying, “if I want porn, I will go buy porn and not a muscle mag.” Now, t-mag publishes an article by “T-Vixen”…I guess the Penthouse letters are much better than the Penthouse photos? Maybe because you actually have to read the letters making it some kind of mental exercise? I dunno. (to those getting steamed it is called an “analogy” → Penthouse Photos:Penthouse Letters and MD Photo Spreads:T-Vixen’s Article).

Certainly, those who do not want to read it can skip it, BUT it is t-mag that actually set up these expectations, so if anyone is upset or put off by recent happenings, it is the editors’ fault. If you are going to be different, be different. Don’t patronize us and tell us “We’re different” only to slowly turn into what is already out there.