Sex on T-mag

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Vain68, if I were to run inspirational articles every week, the bulk of you would run screaming into the woods, thinking that Dr. Phil had taken over T-mag.

Instead, I like to think of myself as a wily baseball pitcher. I don’t throw fastball after fastball but instead, mix it up with sliders, curveballs, splitters, and even knuckleballs. In other words, where I might run something sexual one week, I like to alternate it with inspirational, controversial, and informative articles. The philosophy of this site is and remains “infotainment.”

And while some of you may question the need for a column like the A-dog, it’s where the whole concept of T-Man and T-Nation arose. It’s where you got to know some of the writers here as more than names on a page. And, if I may be so bold, it’s probably what made this very intimate, friendly forum possible.

If we just ran training and nutrition articles, you’d think of as just some faceless entity like Ironman or Flex with no palpable personality. Instead, we’re a living, breathing thing comprised of like-minded units.

I think I’m starting to sound silly, but I hope you get the drift.

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alright…t-vixen here…seeing how its mostly guys posting here and most seemed to dislike the article…i’ll have to say i agree. it’s not that a woman writing about being horny has 'hit the fan"…her article was just shite.

i’m just as horny as she is on a daily basis but come on. get a life.

well i was expecting something a little more amusing like a TC column but i shoulda skipped over it entirely. i’ve learned my lesson. too bad we probably missed out on a good BB article for that.

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If I were in TC’s job I would scrap the innuendo’s, but I’m not. That style is TC’s style and I look past it and accept it as part of the total package, as a reader for life I obviously think the total is very good.
In my opinion the Maureen article was out of place and abusive, if I want to read articles like that I will visit the appropriate sites.
It is ironic in the same issue Ghost Dog was making fun of other mags and their preoccupation with asses, T-mag ran an at times sexually explicit article. Another irony is that a hot topic at the moment is a womens forum, I can tell you this, if my wife was considering reading T-mag before and read the Maureen article there is no way she would become a regular reader let alone a forum contributor.

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Sorry T.C., but I didn’t like it either. As pointed out, she did mention about physical appearance.
Normally I like the Atomic Dog, but Vaine has a point. Maybe my views are changing as my kids age. now they’re 8 going on 9. They can read, surf the net. etc. My boy loves working out. He’s starting to lift, do pushups, pullups, etc. The other day he did a 6’ standing broad jump. As your business has increased you will have to change. What about the good people that like training, but don’t want to hear about ass sex? Parents are busy and can’t be everywhere. Sometimes you need a little help.
Another thing to ask, Maybe stuff like this is getting out of hand to people like MBE and others. I know I’m at the edge. As for myself, I appreciate the free web magazine. I’ve tried to pay back by helping on the forum with answering questions etc. However like others, I’m busy. I guess I wish we could get to more training less nonsense. Personally I think the tman stuf has gotten out of hand.

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TC
Understand completely, and to be honest, I think you have done a great job with the site.

I guess as far as infotainment goes, I don’t think of this as a WWE type atmosphere so to speak. More of say a GQ type atmosphere. But I realize this is me. I realize that its not about me, but what appeals to the mass media. However, to be progressive, to push the envelope, I think that perhaps this site (being one piece of a huge puzzle of the social climate) could possibly enhance the infotainment, educational, and other content. This article certainly would never make me leave the forum or even consider it. I appreciate what this site has been for me and what it WILL be for me.

Vain

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I saw a few more things in the article than just a horny chick hoping to find a guy up to her standards but maybe that’s just me. I saw how she gained 35 lb., I saw her admit to not being perfect, I saw her wrestling with some issues we all do. I took the whole thing a lot more like a tongue in cheek thing than I did a serious, “I’m so horny because I’m too perfect to find a guy”.

It’s odd how we as a group are doing our damndest to not have a gut or underdeveloped bodies and to overcome the “all weightlifters are knuckledraggers” stigma and yet we slam a woman that admits to wanting just what many of us are trying to be. I suggest reading the “Do they hate us” thread (Training and Nutrition) to refresh your memory.

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If you’re willing to run reader-written articles as the Maureen article demonstrates, why not “roll the dice” and try a reader selected article or perhaps author. There are a number of strong writers on the forum who would be excellent candidates for the commission for an off-topic type article-- like the Maureen one but interesting. I would call this process a “T-plebiscite”. While the top-down or vanguard style leadership is obviously best for hard content, it would be an interesting experiment to see one of the off-topic “fluff” pieces written by an author selected by the forumites through a grass-roots, “T-democracy” election.

This is just my bizarre idea although I can think of half a dozen forum regulars who would write much better articles than this last piece. I’m sure everyone else can too.

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 Is it just me or it's getting too hot in here? Must be this crowd. 


 *Leaves this thread*
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Just to clarify, my previous comment was not in reference to Maureen’s aesthetic appearance. She could be Supermodel Maureen for all I care, my statement still stands.

Joel

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You call that sex? If you want sex, just open Cosmo or flip on E! (ehy ewould you wanna flip on E! is beside the point)

There is sex out there
and will be more as it sells

EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN

its hard but it can be done. dont slack away.

Get to work!

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Attention SteeleyEyes!!!

In case you didn’t notice, and you didn’t, the overall topic of this thread is not about “slamming a woman for wanting what many of us are trying to be.” Where did you get that!? Nobody is posting “This article suck cus this girl likes buff guys” gimme a break!

You’re not doing this discussion thread or your screen name any good by throwing out lame defenses not even related to the topic.

And as far as your previous post…

“as soon as it’s a woman talking blatantly about sex the shit hits the fan. It’s the ye olde maddonna-whore thing rearing it’s ugly head once again.”

You must be new to t-mag since you aren’t aware that there have been several articles by women (Gang of Babes column?) touting their sexuality etc. and no big stink was thrown.

The reason this particular article made “shit hit the fan” was that a lot us agree that that’s exactly what it was! It’s one thing to have a well written thought provoking, humerous, article about female sexuality.

This article was corny and poorly written resembling something off of a cheap nudie site (Hi my name is X and I want to tell you all about myself). It was written as if it was more of an attempt not to be honest thought provoking article but more to throw out an article to get some lonely men out there stuck at their computers excited…

BUT!!!

I also want to point out that I did not read the full article as I do agree with one point made by SteeleyEyesWeakArgument which is that we don’t have to like it or read it! Therefore I don’t think my opinions are all that important and hereby withdraw them!

Thanks for keeping things interesting TC!

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I wonder how many people that tell us to watch our kids, have kids? I don’t want to appear to be a wise ass, but over those years I’ve seen a record stores worth of tunes change(shows his age) when you have your own little guys and gals.
As I said before, I keep my computer in the family room to monitor what they do. However the overall amount of stuff you get hit with compared to 1969-1978(6years to 15 years old) is amazing. Thanks to our last president parents had to explain blow jobs to 8 year olds. I’m sure evreyone would love to have that conversation.
There have also many articles and editorials written on rising above the crowd in this very magazine. Why Shugs eats a certain way, Merry Christmas Bob, etc. Maybe Tmag should get back to that instead of dumbass Cosmo reject articles. Personally I never minded Gang o Babes etc. I guess they kinda jumped the shark on the celibacy bit. Whatever I’m sure Dave Tate, Christian, Don, Coach, Ian, or one of your other great contributers will make it right.
As an aside Dave Tate told me Tmag was a great outfit to work for, so they are doing a great overall job.
Maybe you fellas can contact Bill Starr for some articles. He still has the best meet prep book I’ve ever seen in Defying Gravity: How to Win at Weightlifting.

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As far as Im concerned the article wasnt offensive it was just boring. I personally have no problem with women who want to talk about sex or anything sexual.A woman has the right to be as frank about sex as a man does.This is primarily a site for adults by adults. We are all horny, horny humans and thats life.

The problem is just that it wasnt a very good article. Im used to editorials and the like being a bit more amusing and interesting, more like the stuff that T.C would write.

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“In case you didn’t notice, and you didn’t, the overall topic of this thread is not about “slamming a woman for wanting what many of us are trying to be.” Where did you get that!? Nobody is posting “This article suck cus this girl likes buff guys” gimme a break!”

Agathos, comments like these are where I got the idea.

CMC said:
“What bothered me too was the fact that she was blatantly egocentric and flaky. She’s got a major superiority complex. She’s the type of chick that men and women alike hate. And that is why she hasn’t been laid in two years.”

tme said:
“Maureen’s rant was blatantly self-centered, ego-centric crap. I wasn’t so much offended by the content (or lack thereof) as I was disappointed that I wasted 5 minutes of my life reading it. I figure the reason she can’t get laid by a guy with any smarts is cause they all RUN. No piece of ass is worth that kind of pyscho bullshit.”

CMC again:
“I hate to disagree with the editor, but she stated that she’s too good for a dude with a gut or an underdeveloped body. Fuck her. Her appearance is fair game.”

So I was just responding to some of the things in the thread as it progressed, as conversations do, instead of the original post. I guess I am relatively new to the site and I may have missed some things. I’ve been here off and on for four years or so. I think the first issue I read was number 18 or so and I started posting after that. I don’t keep a dairy of that kind of stuff so it’s an estimate. I haven’t seen too many negative reactions to sex in articles before (except the sex cult one) but you should see the flames ~karma~ used to get about some of her posts.

I know my arguments are weak but if I don’t use them once in a while they’ll never get stronger.

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Well…if a gal brags about her superior looks and intelligence, then she’s basically begging people to find some flaws in her. I think the article would’ve been better received if she were to state that it’s hard to find a like-minded intelligent T-man, rather than focusing on how perfect she is and how unworthy everyman is. That angle would’ve found more sympathetic ears (or eyes) since many of us do complain about that anyways.

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Again SteelyEyes, where does anyone say that they are angry that this girl wants a buff guy who works out? These three replies that you quoted seem to me to be questioning personality flaws, her mentality, her confidence/arrogance/selfcenteredness (I saw egocentric in two of the three) and have nothing to do with slamming her because she likes buff guys who workout. Maybe I’m reading them differently than you, or you pasted the wrong quotes because I don’t see that they support your arguments thus far.

In fact no one had even mentioned that until you posted that we shouldn’t. You may as well have posted that it’s wrong not to like green eggs and ham (nobody was angry about that either).

My point was that you made a response to a non-existent argument within the discussion and not to a “progression of the conversation” as you claimed.

As far as your length of time here, c’mon guy I was trying to make a point. Four years? You’ve been here about as long as I have although I don’t think I started posting until issue 100+ as the forum wasn’t introduced until sometime after. I don’t keep a “diary” either so I can’t be sure…

Having said that I propose that we forget the length of time we’ve been reading tmag, and ask you, my fellow Tman…

…what do you think about all this sex and T-mag stuff?

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To E Mckee:

Testosterone Magazine is open to submissions. If you feel as though you can write something worthy of being published, then write it, submit it, and it may run. Just under a year ago I was a very active user of the Testosterone T/N forum (still am). A thread emerged regarding the most effective way to train while dieting; I took a very active stance. I felt as though I had something to say, “a voice,” if you will. So what did I do? I wrote up my thoughts in article form and submitted it to TC. Shortly thereafter, my first article, “Ripped, Rugged, and Dense” was published in issue 214 of Testosterone Magazine. I have had nearly 20 articles published this year alone, and will be having another one run at T-mag in the very near future. I’m not the only one from the forum who has had their stuff published here; John Romaniello also decided to take a shot and submit an article; now he’s getting published often. And from past discussions with John Berardi, he was a T-mag forum user long before he was a T-mag contributor.

The mag is open to submissions; the only thing I ask is that you don’t waste the editors’ time with bullshit you pulled out of your ass. If you feel you can write, put some time into the piece, and then submit it. TC is a pretty fair guy.

Joel

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Ok I’ve held my tongue thus far because I’m not a forum vet, but I really don’t see where you guys are coming from. With all due respect, you want TC to cut out the sexual content from a mag called TESTOSTERONE? Like TC said, this site has a personality, and it takes a no bullshit approach to looking at things that many people in society see as taboo. From things as benign as protein to the evil anabolic steroids. I’m a man and I have TESTOSTERONE flowing through my veins. Therefore I love having sex. There I said it, so what? The fact that sex is my favorite thing to do makes it something I happen to think about every 7 seconds and talk about occasionally. That doesn’t mean I’m perverted, and it doesn’t mean I don’t respect sexuality. I value my monogamous relationship and I value my partner and her wonderful girl parts. Why? Because I am full of TESTOSTERONE. It’s nature, deal with it.

While I agree that there is a time and a place for certain things, sexual material is not out of place at T mag. You are not in church, why act like it? When I’m at church, I don’t talk about sex out of respect for that institution and what it stands for. When I’m at T mag, I do talk about sex out of respect for what TESTOSTERONE stands for.

The issue of deteriorating morals has come up. This may be shocking, but I feel like I’m a decent person with morals, while at the same time having a liberal attitude about sex. Embracing your sexuality doesn’t make you a bad person. (See the post about Madonna) Maybe it’s a generation gap thing, but my time on earth thus far has led me to believe otherwise. I personally think one’s attitude about sex reflects the quantity and quality of sexual experiences that person has had. Most people who are virgins will knock something they have never even tried because they have been taught to think that way. Before you go flaming me, hear me out: I know people who share my views about sex from 3 different generations, and they are considered upstanding members of society. I can relate to these people better because they have a more realistic perception of the world. Conversely, I once made the mistake of trying to argue with my grandparents about why I think it makes no sense to wait until marriage to have sex. You don’t buy a car or a house without test-driving or going inside, no pun intended, so why would you marry someone you may be sexually incompatible with? A “no win” argument with someone who is old fashioned, but I respect their opinion. Why can’t you respect mine, because it’s different?

Some people didn’t like the way the article was written. Fine, but what was so appalling about the content? While I agree, this chick has an overinflated ego and feels like she has reached some unattainable plateau because she works out now, would you rather she acted on her urges to go out and pick up some random drunk just to get laid? I have respect for a woman who respects herself enough to hold out for the right man. If there is one thing I do not respect about her, it is the fact that she did keep her ex around for a piece of ass - something men have been doing for a long time. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but I thought the point of that was to throw it in the face of men who feel like sex is for their enjoyment only, and women are semen receptacles. Kind of like saying, “see, I can be a pig just like you, but I won’t.” Maureen didn’t admit learning from her mistake, and maybe she didn’t, in which case her ego will be shattered when A) she gets used or B) she realizes that her one night stand guy doesn’t want to cuddle.

Part of being a T man is seeking the truth. IMO, that article served to give people a young woman’s point of view. It didn’t shock me because I know plenty of girls who, like Maureen, love their vibrators because they can’t find a good man worthy of tapping their “I’m too sexy for this shirt” asses. Whatever. I know just as many who would rather substitute a vibrator with a random guy to hook up with, and that is what bothers me.

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I posted this on the other thread too, but here goes again.

Yeah, that article sucked. But look what else we go this week - FOR FREE! Great training and nutrition articles! The Cardio Roundtable was awesome, can’t wait for part II, and Rapid Fire was one of those I printed out as soon as I read it. Chocked full of info. Atomic Dog made some good points and was thought provoking, the Lowrie article was cool and even reader mail was informative and entertaining. Ghost Dog was a fun read too.

In the end, it was a great issue of T-mag. I hope that one bad article isn’t going to make people overlook an otherwise killer issue. In most mags, you get one good article and a dozen bad ones. With t-mag, it’s the opposite. Great record overall!

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I think the sex stuff is fine but the T-mag stuff is why I come here.

On another note, and I hope I don’t have to quote irondoc to do so, but:

I do have kids. They’re 18 and 20 now and turned out pretty damn well considering they had me for a father and access to the internet too. I’d view them stumbling onto something like the article(s) in question (when they were younger)more as an opportunity to spark a discussion on sexuality etc. rather than something I needed to shield them from. I guess if I was in the shield the kids from life so they can’t gain any skills mode I’d get Net Nanny or something like that.

If they did come here I’d know they’d have the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff and get what they were after without pooping their drawers in shock because there was a reference to anal sex. My daughter has to spend some time studying for school so she just has me write her workouts for her. That’s why shes the only chick where she works out doing deadlifts I guess. If I could pry my son’s knuckles from the handlebars of his dirtbike long enough to lift some iron my job would nearly be done.

This horse is long past dead now so I’ll back away and drop the whip.