I am a 16 year old Powerlifter I recently signed up for my first meet it is a push pull meet I have only been training for a year. When I was 14 years old my first time deadlifting with no prior training I pulled 300lb at a bodyweight of 140lb. Since then I’ve had multiple injures like serious concussions from football and torn back right after that from lifting and vacations, the list goes on… all these combined caused about 6 months off from lifting.
My diet and sleep patterns are for shit I am Making an effort to change this . Also due to my severe adhd I have been know to “program pop” I am making my own program and improvements in this area. My current lifts are: Squat: 385lb x 3 Reps (depth could use work)
Bench Press: 205lb
Deadlift: 415lb
Bodyweight: 180lb Height: 5’10
Now that I’ve told you a bit about me ill get into setting goals / genetic potential / training advice AKA why you clicked on this. Section 1: Setting goals I know im going to catch a lot of flack for this one but I want to be one of the greatest Deadlifters of all time and total over 2,000lb and do so 100% Raw and Drug free I don’t know should I set a number goal for each lift or should I stick with the goals above .
Basically my goals are very similar to my lifting idol Konstantin Konstantinovs has already accomplished. As for genetic potential I say fuck it mind over matter and no way to tell it unless you reach it . Last but not least training advice if you have anything advice or program that would suit me best. what so ever please tell me but keep in mind I have read a shit load of books and articles on the internet as well as videos.
I’m going to treat this response as a list of what I’ve learned that I wish I had been told a couple years ago.
Get your squat depth in check. Don’t just say “depth could use work” work on your depth. Your numbers will fall initially but check your ego at the door and you’ll get better gains and performance benefits from your better depth.
Don’t be stupid. Your totaling about 1,000 now, don’t get ahead of yourself and say you wanna total 2,000. Shoot for 1,100, then 1,200 and so on. If you wanna keep that 2,000 total on the back burner go ahead but set milestones before that so you keep reminding yourself that you are making progress and achieving goals.
Don’t limit yourself to drug free. Whether you want to admit it or not, it’s probably impossible for you to total 2,000 drug free. Just look at the limited number of guys that have managed to do it WITH drugs. If you really are against drugs then go ahead and see what you can do without them, hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong. But odds are you’re going to have to choose what’s more important.
Pick either football or powerlifting. You won’t be great at either while pursuing both. You’re ambitious and setting high goals for yourself, if you really want to be great at powerlifting all football is going to do is stop you from training 100% during the season and get you hurt as it already has.
Be your own biggest critic. There are going to be a lot of people telling you how strong you are and you have to ignore that if you want to reach your goals. Stay humble, realize there are guys warming up with your max. There are way too many people who give themselves way too much credit.
Realize you don’t know shit. You’ve read a lot, so have I and so have plenty of other people but in the end someone who has experience will be more knowledgable every time. You’ve gotta put work in before you claim to be an “expert” or anything like that.
Don’t take crap from nobody. As many people as there will be to stroke your ego there will be just as many that will hate on success. Know that they don’t understand and that they probably never will. People don’t like people that do work and are better than they are. Shake them off, get pissed and use them as motivation.
[quote]tylerkeen42 wrote:
I’m going to treat this response as a list of what I’ve learned that I wish I had been told a couple years ago.
Get your squat depth in check. Don’t just say “depth could use work” work on your depth. Your numbers will fall initially but check your ego at the door and you’ll get better gains and performance benefits from your better depth.
Don’t be stupid. Your totaling about 1,000 now, don’t get ahead of yourself and say you wanna total 2,000. Shoot for 1,100, then 1,200 and so on. If you wanna keep that 2,000 total on the back burner go ahead but set milestones before that so you keep reminding yourself that you are making progress and achieving goals.
Don’t limit yourself to drug free. Whether you want to admit it or not, it’s probably impossible for you to total 2,000 drug free. Just look at the limited number of guys that have managed to do it WITH drugs. If you really are against drugs then go ahead and see what you can do without them, hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong. But odds are you’re going to have to choose what’s more important.
Pick either football or powerlifting. You won’t be great at either while pursuing both. You’re ambitious and setting high goals for yourself, if you really want to be great at powerlifting all football is going to do is stop you from training 100% during the season and get you hurt as it already has.
Be your own biggest critic. There are going to be a lot of people telling you how strong you are and you have to ignore that if you want to reach your goals. Stay humble, realize there are guys warming up with your max. There are way too many people who give themselves way too much credit.
Realize you don’t know shit. You’ve read a lot, so have I and so have plenty of other people but in the end someone who has experience will be more knowledgable every time. You’ve gotta put work in before you claim to be an “expert” or anything like that.
Don’t take crap from nobody. As many people as there will be to stroke your ego there will be just as many that will hate on success. Know that they don’t understand and that they probably never will. People don’t like people that do work and are better than they are. Shake them off, get pissed and use them as motivation.[/quote]
Thank you for the advice I have already chosen powerlifting over football.
holy shit Tyler. I can’t imagine giving a 16 year old half the bullshit advice you just spouted out. Drugs shouldn’t even be a part of this conversation. You have no fucking idea what this kid can do without drugs. While this kid has suggested that he has already chosen powerlifting over football at this point, that’s not remotely necessary yet. Not. At. All.
I also don’t understand why you feel the need to be so negative, or as you would probably put it, a realist. MP, shoot for a 2000 total. It’s a worthy goal for sure, and one that will take a ton of work if you ever get there. But it’s not impossible.
I would also suggest blocking Tyler. I just can’t get over how shitty that response was from him.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
holy shit Tyler. I can’t imagine giving a 16 year old half the bullshit advice you just spouted out. Drugs shouldn’t even be a part of this conversation. You have no fucking idea what this kid can do without drugs. While this kid has suggested that he has already chosen powerlifting over football at this point, that’s not remotely necessary yet. Not. At. All. I also don’t understand why you feel the need to be so negative, or as you would probably put it, a realist. MP, shoot for a 2000 total. It’s a worthy goal for sure, and one that will take a ton of work if you ever get there. But it’s not impossible.
I would also suggest blocking Tyler. I just can’t get over how shitty that response was from him.[/quote]
Thank you I plan on staying drug free anyway I thought he had a good point about keeping the big goals in the back of your mind and set milestone goals how should I go about doing this with my most important goal being a 900lb raw deadlift while my current deadlift is 415lb or should I just worry about making progress towards my goal?
I wouldn’t throw football totally out the window unless you just don’t want to because of your concussions and stuff. You can powerlift pretty much for the rest of your life. you can only play football until high school or college is over.
I’m just gonna assume you take adhd meds, so I think eating has to be a big focus. I think you’re doing well, i mean you went from 140 at 14 to 180 at 16 ahah. It’s just something to keep in mind.
2000lbs is a lofty goal, but if you bust your ass I think you can do well. Just do not be afraid to gain weight. You should embrace it .
program wise do something you can stick to. I have trouble following programs as well, and the less regimented the training the better for me. Just focus on frequency of the lifts.
To you MP as I said still keep that 2,000 total and 900 deadlift in mind but just go by 50 or so pound milestones to remind yourself you’re making progress. So right now your deadlifting 415, make your goal 455, then 495 and so on. Stay dedicated and stay smart and you’ll go far.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
holy shit Tyler. I can’t imagine giving a 16 year old half the bullshit advice you just spouted out. Drugs shouldn’t even be a part of this conversation. You have no fucking idea what this kid can do without drugs. While this kid has suggested that he has already chosen powerlifting over football at this point, that’s not remotely necessary yet. Not. At. All.
I also don’t understand why you feel the need to be so negative, or as you would probably put it, a realist. MP, shoot for a 2000 total. It’s a worthy goal for sure, and one that will take a ton of work if you ever get there. But it’s not impossible.
I would also suggest blocking Tyler. I just can’t get over how shitty that response was from him.[/quote]
I’m just being honest with him. I am still drug free and plan to be for a while. But I realize there is a limit to what most people can do naturally. And I already mentioned that maybe he’ll be able to do it hence “hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong.” But I’m just saying that he shouldn’t limit himself from a resource that may help him reach his goal total.
And I may have come on too strong about the football thing. Of course he can still play football if he truly enjoys it and if he has scholarship opportunities or something that changes everything. But if money isn’t a factor he’s more likely to have a longer, more successful career in powerlifting. You can call me harsh or mean or whatever but it’s all honest stuff that I wish someone would have told me a couple years ago.
oh lawdy, its the anti-steroid police. unless the guy wants to be very fat when he does it, i dont see him totalling 2000 raw drug free, but thats just me
[quote]MPPowerlifting wrote:
I am a 16 year old Powerlifter I recently signed up for my first meet it is a push pull meet I have only been training for a year. When I was 14 years old my first time deadlifting with no prior training I pulled 300lb at a bodyweight of 140lb. Since then I’ve had multiple injures like serious concussions from football and torn back right after that from lifting and vacations, the list goes on… all these combined caused about 6 months off from lifting.
My diet and sleep patterns are for shit I am Making an effort to change this . Also due to my severe adhd I have been know to “program pop” I am making my own program and improvements in this area. My current lifts are: Squat: 385lb x 3 Reps (depth could use work)
Bench Press: 205lb
Deadlift: 415lb
Bodyweight: 180lb Height: 5’10
Now that I’ve told you a bit about me ill get into setting goals / genetic potential / training advice AKA why you clicked on this. Section 1: Setting goals I know im going to catch a lot of flack for this one but I want to be one of the greatest Deadlifters of all time and total over 2,000lb and do so 100% Raw and Drug free I don’t know should I set a number goal for each lift or should I stick with the goals above .
Basically my goals are very similar to my lifting idol Konstantin Konstantinovs has already accomplished. As for genetic potential I say fuck it mind over matter and no way to tell it unless you reach it . Last but not least training advice if you have anything advice or program that would suit me best. what so ever please tell me but keep in mind I have read a shit load of books and articles on the internet as well as videos.
Thank you for your responses[/quote]
Hey man, you’re remarkably like me at that age. Lifts are similar, except you’re high squatting more than I was high squatting. I also had a back injury.
So here’s my advice assuming I could go back and give it to my teenage self. Your squat isn’t “385lb x 3 Reps (depth could use work)”, your squat is nothing. I wish I had gotten that through my head a lot sooner. Forget all the numbers and treat it like an entirely different lift. It should be exciting. There is a new lift you’re doing called “squatting to depth” and every set at first will be a PR!
I’ll keep my mouth shut about the drug free, 2k total, KK deadlift goals. I don’t really have anything positive to say about that sorry
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
oh lawdy, its the anti-steroid police. unless the guy wants to be very fat when he does it, i dont see him totalling 2000 raw drug free, but thats just me[/quote]
You have me COMPLETELY wrong here. My point wasn’t “nobody should take steroids”. My point was “steroids don’t come into the conversation when the conversation is being had with a 16 year old kid”. It’s all about context. I’m actually more pro-steroid than anti-steroid, particularly in the world of professional sports (including powerlifting). I think the laws against steroids are ridiculous. Whether or not you see him totaling 2000 drug free is truly irrelevant though.
I’m just being honest with him. I am still drug free and plan to be for a while. But I realize there is a limit to what most people can do naturally. And I already mentioned that maybe he’ll be able to do it hence “hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong.” But I’m just saying that he shouldn’t limit himself from a resource that may help him reach his goal total.
And I may have come on too strong about the football thing. Of course he can still play football if he truly enjoys it and if he has scholarship opportunities or something that changes everything. But if money isn’t a factor he’s more likely to have a longer, more successful career in powerlifting. You can call me harsh or mean or whatever but it’s all honest stuff that I wish someone would have told me a couple years ago.[/quote]
I get what you’re saying. From my perspective though, I don’t understand why someone would tell a 16 year old kid to think more realistically about a particular set of goals. When I was 16, I said a lot of crazy things. I wish I had said more crazy things. I wish I had thought less about what was or wasn’t possible, and more about what I WANTED to do. Being realistic about what can be achieved certainly has its place, I just don’t think its here. I think the dream is more important.
I’m just being honest with him. I am still drug free and plan to be for a while. But I realize there is a limit to what most people can do naturally. And I already mentioned that maybe he’ll be able to do it hence “hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong.” But I’m just saying that he shouldn’t limit himself from a resource that may help him reach his goal total.
And I may have come on too strong about the football thing. Of course he can still play football if he truly enjoys it and if he has scholarship opportunities or something that changes everything. But if money isn’t a factor he’s more likely to have a longer, more successful career in powerlifting. You can call me harsh or mean or whatever but it’s all honest stuff that I wish someone would have told me a couple years ago.[/quote]
I get what you’re saying. From my perspective though, I don’t understand why someone would tell a 16 year old kid to think more realistically about a particular set of goals. When I was 16, I said a lot of crazy things. I wish I had said more crazy things. I wish I had thought less about what was or wasn’t possible, and more about what I WANTED to do. Being realistic about what can be achieved certainly has its place, I just don’t think its here. I think the dream is more important.[/quote]
AnytimeJake said it well in another thread a while back. He coached a lot of high school kids. He said something to the effect of “The ones who just set out to try and hit a 3 plate squat sometimes got there. The ones who made it a goal to squat 600 never got there in the time that I had them, but they usually ended up squatting over 4 plates.”
[quote]Paul33 wrote:
oh lawdy, its the anti-steroid police. unless the guy wants to be very fat when he does it, i dont see him totalling 2000 raw drug free, but thats just me[/quote] So achieving these goals can be done Drug free if the lifter is willing to get fat?
[quote]tylerkeen42 wrote:
I’m going to treat this response as a list of what I’ve learned that I wish I had been told a couple years ago.
Get your squat depth in check. Don’t just say “depth could use work” work on your depth. Your numbers will fall initially but check your ego at the door and you’ll get better gains and performance benefits from your better depth.
Don’t be stupid. Your totaling about 1,000 now, don’t get ahead of yourself and say you wanna total 2,000. Shoot for 1,100, then 1,200 and so on. If you wanna keep that 2,000 total on the back burner go ahead but set milestones before that so you keep reminding yourself that you are making progress and achieving goals.
Don’t limit yourself to drug free. Whether you want to admit it or not, it’s probably impossible for you to total 2,000 drug free. Just look at the limited number of guys that have managed to do it WITH drugs. If you really are against drugs then go ahead and see what you can do without them, hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong. But odds are you’re going to have to choose what’s more important.
Pick either football or powerlifting. You won’t be great at either while pursuing both. You’re ambitious and setting high goals for yourself, if you really want to be great at powerlifting all football is going to do is stop you from training 100% during the season and get you hurt as it already has.
Be your own biggest critic. There are going to be a lot of people telling you how strong you are and you have to ignore that if you want to reach your goals. Stay humble, realize there are guys warming up with your max. There are way too many people who give themselves way too much credit.
Realize you don’t know shit. You’ve read a lot, so have I and so have plenty of other people but in the end someone who has experience will be more knowledgable every time. You’ve gotta put work in before you claim to be an “expert” or anything like that.
Don’t take crap from nobody. As many people as there will be to stroke your ego there will be just as many that will hate on success. Know that they don’t understand and that they probably never will. People don’t like people that do work and are better than they are. Shake them off, get pissed and use them as motivation.[/quote]
Thank you for the advice I have already chosen powerlifting over football.[/quote]
Play football. As long as you like it of course. I’m about to graduate and I already miss it. Powerlifting and football can go hand and hand… Probably not during the season as far as intense sessions go. But, play football. I can almost guarantee you’ll wish you did.
[quote]tylerkeen42 wrote:
I’m going to treat this response as a list of what I’ve learned that I wish I had been told a couple years ago.
Get your squat depth in check. Don’t just say “depth could use work” work on your depth. Your numbers will fall initially but check your ego at the door and you’ll get better gains and performance benefits from your better depth.
Don’t be stupid. Your totaling about 1,000 now, don’t get ahead of yourself and say you wanna total 2,000. Shoot for 1,100, then 1,200 and so on. If you wanna keep that 2,000 total on the back burner go ahead but set milestones before that so you keep reminding yourself that you are making progress and achieving goals.
Don’t limit yourself to drug free. Whether you want to admit it or not, it’s probably impossible for you to total 2,000 drug free. Just look at the limited number of guys that have managed to do it WITH drugs. If you really are against drugs then go ahead and see what you can do without them, hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong. But odds are you’re going to have to choose what’s more important.
Pick either football or powerlifting. You won’t be great at either while pursuing both. You’re ambitious and setting high goals for yourself, if you really want to be great at powerlifting all football is going to do is stop you from training 100% during the season and get you hurt as it already has.
Be your own biggest critic. There are going to be a lot of people telling you how strong you are and you have to ignore that if you want to reach your goals. Stay humble, realize there are guys warming up with your max. There are way too many people who give themselves way too much credit.
Realize you don’t know shit. You’ve read a lot, so have I and so have plenty of other people but in the end someone who has experience will be more knowledgable every time. You’ve gotta put work in before you claim to be an “expert” or anything like that.
Don’t take crap from nobody. As many people as there will be to stroke your ego there will be just as many that will hate on success. Know that they don’t understand and that they probably never will. People don’t like people that do work and are better than they are. Shake them off, get pissed and use them as motivation.[/quote]
Thank you for the advice I have already chosen powerlifting over football.[/quote]
Play football. As long as you like it of course. I’m about to graduate and I already miss it. Powerlifting and football can go hand and hand… Probably not during the season as far as intense sessions go. But, play football. I can almost guarantee you’ll wish you did.[/quote] I love to play football but I would rather have my cognitive ability , I am taking a year off of football at least if not completely.
[quote]tylerkeen42 wrote:
I’m going to treat this response as a list of what I’ve learned that I wish I had been told a couple years ago.
Get your squat depth in check. Don’t just say “depth could use work” work on your depth. Your numbers will fall initially but check your ego at the door and you’ll get better gains and performance benefits from your better depth.
Don’t be stupid. Your totaling about 1,000 now, don’t get ahead of yourself and say you wanna total 2,000. Shoot for 1,100, then 1,200 and so on. If you wanna keep that 2,000 total on the back burner go ahead but set milestones before that so you keep reminding yourself that you are making progress and achieving goals.
Don’t limit yourself to drug free. Whether you want to admit it or not, it’s probably impossible for you to total 2,000 drug free. Just look at the limited number of guys that have managed to do it WITH drugs. If you really are against drugs then go ahead and see what you can do without them, hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong. But odds are you’re going to have to choose what’s more important.
Pick either football or powerlifting. You won’t be great at either while pursuing both. You’re ambitious and setting high goals for yourself, if you really want to be great at powerlifting all football is going to do is stop you from training 100% during the season and get you hurt as it already has.
Be your own biggest critic. There are going to be a lot of people telling you how strong you are and you have to ignore that if you want to reach your goals. Stay humble, realize there are guys warming up with your max. There are way too many people who give themselves way too much credit.
Realize you don’t know shit. You’ve read a lot, so have I and so have plenty of other people but in the end someone who has experience will be more knowledgable every time. You’ve gotta put work in before you claim to be an “expert” or anything like that.
Don’t take crap from nobody. As many people as there will be to stroke your ego there will be just as many that will hate on success. Know that they don’t understand and that they probably never will. People don’t like people that do work and are better than they are. Shake them off, get pissed and use them as motivation.[/quote]
Thank you for the advice I have already chosen powerlifting over football.[/quote]
Play football. As long as you like it of course. I’m about to graduate and I already miss it. Powerlifting and football can go hand and hand… Probably not during the season as far as intense sessions go. But, play football. I can almost guarantee you’ll wish you did.[/quote] I love to play football but I would rather have my cognitive ability , I am taking a year off of football at least if not completely.
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I don’t see why you don’t just play. Football’s 3-4 months long… You still have 3/4ths of the year to train with full intensity. Just my opinion though. To each his own, and best of luck in whatever you decide.
[quote]MPPowerlifting wrote:
I love to play football but I would rather have my cognitive ability , I am taking a year off of football at least if not completely.
[/quote]
I don’t see why you don’t just play. Football’s 3-4 months long… You still have 3/4ths of the year to train with full intensity. Just my opinion though. To each his own, and best of luck in whatever you decide.
[/quote]
“I would rather have my cognitive ability” he said.
He’s not leaving football because he’s worried about its impact on his training, he’s leaving football because he doesn’t want to get any more concussions. Being chronically concussed is actually a pretty big deal and something you should avoid if at all possible…
[quote]tylerkeen42 wrote:
I’m going to treat this response as a list of what I’ve learned that I wish I had been told a couple years ago.
Get your squat depth in check. Don’t just say “depth could use work” work on your depth. Your numbers will fall initially but check your ego at the door and you’ll get better gains and performance benefits from your better depth.
Don’t be stupid. Your totaling about 1,000 now, don’t get ahead of yourself and say you wanna total 2,000. Shoot for 1,100, then 1,200 and so on. If you wanna keep that 2,000 total on the back burner go ahead but set milestones before that so you keep reminding yourself that you are making progress and achieving goals.
Don’t limit yourself to drug free. Whether you want to admit it or not, it’s probably impossible for you to total 2,000 drug free. Just look at the limited number of guys that have managed to do it WITH drugs. If you really are against drugs then go ahead and see what you can do without them, hell maybe you will total 2,000 raw natural and I’ll be totally wrong. But odds are you’re going to have to choose what’s more important.
Pick either football or powerlifting. You won’t be great at either while pursuing both. You’re ambitious and setting high goals for yourself, if you really want to be great at powerlifting all football is going to do is stop you from training 100% during the season and get you hurt as it already has.
Be your own biggest critic. There are going to be a lot of people telling you how strong you are and you have to ignore that if you want to reach your goals. Stay humble, realize there are guys warming up with your max. There are way too many people who give themselves way too much credit.
Realize you don’t know shit. You’ve read a lot, so have I and so have plenty of other people but in the end someone who has experience will be more knowledgable every time. You’ve gotta put work in before you claim to be an “expert” or anything like that.
Don’t take crap from nobody. As many people as there will be to stroke your ego there will be just as many that will hate on success. Know that they don’t understand and that they probably never will. People don’t like people that do work and are better than they are. Shake them off, get pissed and use them as motivation.[/quote]
Thank you for the advice I have already chosen powerlifting over football.[/quote]
Play football. As long as you like it of course. I’m about to graduate and I already miss it. Powerlifting and football can go hand and hand… Probably not during the season as far as intense sessions go. But, play football. I can almost guarantee you’ll wish you did.[/quote] I love to play football but I would rather have my cognitive ability , I am taking a year off of football at least if not completely.
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My vote is to keep your brain healthy. You don’t want something like early dementia or siezures or something like that down the road. There’s still other sports available.
The research done by the Russians encourages general athletic development early on and then specializing later. This is to avoid injury and mental burn out. So I personally wouldn’t do only powerlifting at this stage.
So just because football might be off the table for you, there might be other sports you want to try. I know one of my regrets about high school is not joining a team sport so maybe even something like track and field. If you choose a sprinting or jumping event that would have more carry over to PL than the distance events. Or maybe wrestling… I’d look into the head injury rates on that one. Just throwing ideas out there.
[quote]MPPowerlifting wrote:
I love to play football but I would rather have my cognitive ability , I am taking a year off of football at least if not completely.
[/quote]
I don’t see why you don’t just play. Football’s 3-4 months long… You still have 3/4ths of the year to train with full intensity. Just my opinion though. To each his own, and best of luck in whatever you decide.
[/quote]
“I would rather have my cognitive ability” he said.
He’s not leaving football because he’s worried about its impact on his training, he’s leaving football because he doesn’t want to get any more concussions. Being chronically concussed is actually a pretty big deal and something you should avoid if at all possible…[/quote]
