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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

My adopted grandmother lived to be 108.She was born in 1887 and died in 1995. She didnt exercise or eat right. She ate her share of fried chicken and porkchops and really didnt do any exercise at all, but lived almost 110 years. Some people are built for certain things. [/quote]

So now you’ve inherited favorable genetics from your adopted grandmother? I’d give you a 10/10 but marks were deducted for failing to include the mandatory number of typos and for unnecessary repetition (you were too eager to make sure we didn’t miss any bullshit). Otherwise, it’s pure textbook trolling. 7/10.[/quote]

I was giving a metaphor and you know that. I was pointing out how you have anomolys from the norm and just as she was an anomoly so am I.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
In this thread - hatred and jealousy. Look: a bigger muscle does not equal a stronger muscle. Bruce lee did 315 pounds on the flat bench for 3x8 at a bodyweight of 150. He also curled 80 pound dumbbells for 3x8 at the same bodyweight.

Why are you guys so jealous? Its not cool, man. Especially on christmas.[/quote]

Did you just fucking write that a bigger muscle is not a stronger muscle?[/quote]

A bigger muscle on you is a stronger muscle. That doesnt mean youre stronger than everybody else just because youre bigger than them.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
In this thread - hatred and jealousy. Look: a bigger muscle does not equal a stronger muscle. Bruce lee did 315 pounds on the flat bench for 3x8 at a bodyweight of 150. He also curled 80 pound dumbbells for 3x8 at the same bodyweight.

Why are you guys so jealous? Its not cool, man. Especially on christmas.[/quote]

Did you just fucking write that a bigger muscle is not a stronger muscle?[/quote]

I’m just quoting Bruce Lee, bro.

Lee was documented as having well over 2,500 books in his own personal library, and eventually concluded that “A stronger muscle, is a bigger muscle”, a conclusion he later disputed. Bruce forever experimented with his training routines to maximize his physical abilities, and push the human body to its limits. He employed many different routines and exercises including skipping rope, which served his training and bodybuilding purposes effectively.[33]

Chuck Norris states, “Lee, pound for pound, might well have been one of the strongest men in the world, and certainly one of the quickest.”[36][37][38][39][40]

u mad?

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Nope, not mad.

A muscle CAN have an increase in strength without an increase in size. However, a muscle will become stronger with an increase in size.

No experienced person and well-informed person is going to deny that there are men, like Bruce Lee, with an incredible RELATIVE strength. However, like Jim Wendler pointed out in his last article on here, men with this spectacular relative strength are few and far between, and most men will have to gain weight to progress in their lifts. And we’re not talking about newbie strength gains here.

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[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
In this thread - hatred and jealousy. Look: a bigger muscle does not equal a stronger muscle. Bruce lee did 315 pounds on the flat bench for 3x8 at a bodyweight of 150. He also curled 80 pound dumbbells for 3x8 at the same bodyweight.

Why are you guys so jealous? Its not cool, man. Especially on christmas.[/quote]

Did you just fucking write that a bigger muscle is not a stronger muscle?[/quote]

I’m just quoting Bruce Lee, bro.

Lee was documented as having well over 2,500 books in his own personal library, and eventually concluded that “A stronger muscle, is a bigger muscle”, a conclusion he later disputed. Bruce forever experimented with his training routines to maximize his physical abilities, and push the human body to its limits. He employed many different routines and exercises including skipping rope, which served his training and bodybuilding purposes effectively.[33]

Chuck Norris states, “Lee, pound for pound, might well have been one of the strongest men in the world, and certainly one of the quickest.”[36][37][38][39][40]

u mad?[/quote]

You just some Bruce Lee fan boy.

315 for 3x8 on bench? Do you believe everything you read on the internet?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

My adopted grandmother lived to be 108.She was born in 1887 and died in 1995. She didnt exercise or eat right. She ate her share of fried chicken and porkchops and really didnt do any exercise at all, but lived almost 110 years. Some people are built for certain things. [/quote]

So now you’ve inherited favorable genetics from your adopted grandmother? I’d give you a 10/10 but marks were deducted for failing to include the mandatory number of typos and for unnecessary repetition (you were too eager to make sure we didn’t miss any bullshit). Otherwise, it’s pure textbook trolling. 7/10.[/quote]

The parallel I was drawing is that doctors say to live long you must exercise and eat right yet she did none of this and outlived lots of people who do exercise and eat right because she had good genes. I remember hearing that her father, who was born a slave, lived to be 116.

So you read in bodybuilding books that you have to eat specific foods and eat them a certain time a day and a whole other litany of things to get bigger and stronger. But there are people like me who just may not have to follow those rules and still get the results. Read about somoatypes which I cam across on the internet. There are 3 classes of people:

mesomorphs, endomorphs, and ectomorphs. Most people are a mixture of 2 of the 3. I am an ectomorph and mesomorph mix. I have long arms and am very lean whic makes me a ectomorph. I am a mesomorph because I gain muscle and strength easy. Mesomorphs are usually average size for their height but their body size is made up more of muscle and they are usually stronger pound for pound. I have a medium sized frame. I can probably make it to about 210-215 if I ate like a bodybuilder, but honestly I wouldnt want to be any bigger than that. I do not wish to be a pro bodybuilder.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Nope, not mad.

A muscle CAN have an increase in strength without an increase in size. However, a muscle will become stronger with an increase in size.

No experienced person and well-informed person is going to deny that there are men, like Bruce Lee, with an incredible RELATIVE strength. However, like Jim Wendler pointed out in his last article on here, men with this spectacular relative strength are few and far between, and most men will have to gain weight to progress in their lifts. And we’re not talking about newbie strength gains here. [/quote]

Well if you know that such people exists, why do you have a problem with me being one of the peole?

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[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
In this thread - hatred and jealousy. Look: a bigger muscle does not equal a stronger muscle. Bruce lee did 315 pounds on the flat bench for 3x8 at a bodyweight of 150. He also curled 80 pound dumbbells for 3x8 at the same bodyweight.

Why are you guys so jealous? Its not cool, man. Especially on christmas.[/quote]

Did you just fucking write that a bigger muscle is not a stronger muscle?[/quote]

I’m just quoting Bruce Lee, bro.

Lee was documented as having well over 2,500 books in his own personal library, and eventually concluded that “A stronger muscle, is a bigger muscle”, a conclusion he later disputed. Bruce forever experimented with his training routines to maximize his physical abilities, and push the human body to its limits. He employed many different routines and exercises including skipping rope, which served his training and bodybuilding purposes effectively.[33]

Chuck Norris states, “Lee, pound for pound, might well have been one of the strongest men in the world, and certainly one of the quickest.”[36][37][38][39][40]

u mad?[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, where did you get those numbers for Bruce Lee? I always heard he did a full body split, and had above average strength, but not to the level you are talking about.

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
In this thread - hatred and jealousy. Look: a bigger muscle does not equal a stronger muscle. Bruce lee did 315 pounds on the flat bench for 3x8 at a bodyweight of 150. He also curled 80 pound dumbbells for 3x8 at the same bodyweight.

Why are you guys so jealous? Its not cool, man. Especially on christmas.[/quote]

Did you just fucking write that a bigger muscle is not a stronger muscle?[/quote]

I’m just quoting Bruce Lee, bro.

Lee was documented as having well over 2,500 books in his own personal library, and eventually concluded that “A stronger muscle, is a bigger muscle”, a conclusion he later disputed. Bruce forever experimented with his training routines to maximize his physical abilities, and push the human body to its limits. He employed many different routines and exercises including skipping rope, which served his training and bodybuilding purposes effectively.[33]

Chuck Norris states, “Lee, pound for pound, might well have been one of the strongest men in the world, and certainly one of the quickest.”[36][37][38][39][40]

u mad?[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, where did you get those numbers for Bruce Lee? I always heard he did a full body split, and had above average strength, but not to the level you are talking about.[/quote]

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[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

Lee was documented as having well over 2,500 books in his own personal library, and eventually concluded that “A stronger muscle, is a bigger muscle”, a conclusion he later disputed. Bruce forever experimented with his training routines to maximize his physical abilities, and push the human body to its limits. He employed many different routines and exercises including skipping rope, which served his training and bodybuilding purposes effectively.[33]

Chuck Norris states, “Lee, pound for pound, might well have been one of the strongest men in the world, and certainly one of the quickest.”[36][37][38][39][40]

u mad?[/quote]

Bruce Lee actively avoided the type of training which induces hypertrophy. He got to a maximum bodyweight of 165 pounds and felt that the extra mass began to effect his striking speed, which is why he stopped training for size.

He did not alter his training because he felt that increases in strength were unrelated to increases in size. He changed his training because his prime concern was always fighting ability.

Bruce Lee would’ve undoubtedly gained more strength if he’d allowed himself to gain muscular weight, but he wasn’t willing to accept the effect on his fighting ability - the reason being that all his training up until then was geared towards making himself the most efficient fighter he could be. His entire fighting style was designed to make use of his natural attributes (speed, agility and small stature). Extra mass = a complete overhaul of his approach to martial arts.

It’s the same reason that modern competitive martial artists find their performance suffers above a certain weight. Smaller fighters lose any natural advantage they may have by forcing their weight up.

It’s nothing whatsoever to do with relative strength. If it was, there would be no weight categories in any combat sport.

Lee didn’t give a crap about how much he could curl or bench relative to his bodyweight; he cared about the ability to develop powerful blows…at the risk of repeating myself, this is a topic for a different forum.

This involves far more than lifting weights. If your knowledge of Bruce Lee wasn’t limited to Wikipedia, you would know that.

Once again - this relative strength baloney has nothing whatsoever to do with BODYBUILDING

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“Once again - this relative strength baloney has nothing whatsoever to do with BODYBUILDING.”

That’s correct. I’m not saying that it’s not something that should be banned from being spoken of and that there aren’t bodybuilders who have put up some very impressive numbers in relation to their weight. Bodybuilding is about becoming as muscular as possible, but getting stronger is necessary and fun. It’s also fun to see some bodybuilders do some crazy shit.

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Celtics mention Bruce Lee and we have an entire page about him on a site, topic/thread and forum about bodybuilding and strength training.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
“Once again - this relative strength baloney has nothing whatsoever to do with BODYBUILDING.”

That’s correct. I’m not saying that it’s not something that should be banned from being spoken of and that there aren’t bodybuilders who have put up some very impressive numbers in relation to their weight. Bodybuilding is about becoming as muscular as possible, but getting stronger is necessary and fun. It’s also fun to see some bodybuilders do some crazy shit. [/quote]

I agree, but when some dummy comes on here and acts like relative strength is the be all and end all of everything, he needs to be reminded of the cold hard truth: if a 150 pound guy whose max bench is 300 pounds faces off against a 250 pound guy with a max of 400, I know who my money is on…

Clearly that’s just a random scenario, but the lighter guy is gonna need to fall back on attributes other than relative strength in order to avoid getting his ass handed to him. RS alone doesn’t make one guy better than the next, so why do people claim it does?

Even male gymnasts (the poster boys of relative strength) do not rely on RS alone; there is a high skill component there, and they only push their strength to a point where they can manipulate their bodyweight with ease. They aren’t on a never-ending quest for strength, unlike bodybuilders and powerlifters.

Anyone that lifts and concentrates on relative strength to the exclusion of all else is missing the fact that their progress will stall out sooner than the guy who puts it aside, because at some point they will need to increase bodyweight in order to progress.

Just a few points to further silence the festive trolls.

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I’m having a hard time believing that a small guy like Bruce Lee could bench press 300lbs.
Is that even possible for his size? I asked my coach about the idea of me benching 300, and he just told me to forget about it if I don’t plan on moving up a weight division. I am about 155lbs.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
“Once again - this relative strength baloney has nothing whatsoever to do with BODYBUILDING.”

That’s correct. I’m not saying that it’s not something that should be banned from being spoken of and that there aren’t bodybuilders who have put up some very impressive numbers in relation to their weight. Bodybuilding is about becoming as muscular as possible, but getting stronger is necessary and fun. It’s also fun to see some bodybuilders do some crazy shit. [/quote]

I agree, but when some dummy comes on here and acts like relative strength is the be all and end all of everything, he needs to be reminded of the cold hard truth: if a 150 pound guy whose max bench is 300 pound faces off against a 250 pound guy with a max of 400, I know who my money is on…

Clearly that’s just a random scenario, but the lighter guy is gonna need to fall back on attributes other than relative strength in order to avoid getting his ass handed to him. RS alone doesn’t make one guy better than the next, so why do people claim it does?

Even male gymnasts (the poster boys of relative strength) do not rely on RS alone; there is a high skill component there, and they only push their strength to a point where they can manipulate their bodyweight with ease. They aren’t on a never-ending quest for strength, unlike bodybuilders and powerlifters.

Anyone that lifts and concentrates on relative strength to the exclusion of all else is missing the fact that their progress will stall out sooner than the guy who puts it aside, because at some point they will need to increase bodyweight in order to progress.

Just a few points to further silence the festive trolls.[/quote]

Exactly! That’s why it used to bother me when some of the writers on this site–who for some reason have disappeared (hint, hint)–used to say dumb shit about bodybuilders - like how unathletic and relatively weak they are.

Get this folks: COMPETENT bodybuilders AREN’T weak! And to repeat myself as usual: Most men aren’t going to put up impressive numbers without adding size. Refer to Jim Wendler’s article of this week. I’m glad he wrote that article. In it, he repeated what he told me personally at an EliteFTS seminar 5 years ago: “We all know someone who knows some guy that 405 at a weight of 165. Maybe so, but that’s very rare!”

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[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
I’m having a hard time believing that a small guy like Bruce Lee could bench press 300lbs.
Is that even possible for his size? I asked my coach about the idea of me benching 300, and he just told me to forget about it if I don’t plan on moving up a weight division. I am about 155lbs.[/quote]

I can’t confirm his numbers, but Bruce Lee did a lot of supplemental work on strengthening his bones and connective tissue (I recall he used a lot of isometrics), so that aspect of his training could’ve pushed up his poundages.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
I’m having a hard time believing that a small guy like Bruce Lee could bench press 300lbs.
Is that even possible for his size? I asked my coach about the idea of me benching 300, and he just told me to forget about it if I don’t plan on moving up a weight division. I am about 155lbs.[/quote]

I can’t confirm his numbers, but Bruce Lee did a lot of supplemental work on strengthening his bones and connective tissue (I recall he used a lot of isometrics), so that aspect of his training could’ve pushed up his poundages. [/quote]
Alright, thank you for the answer.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

My adopted grandmother lived to be 108.She was born in 1887 and died in 1995. She didnt exercise or eat right. She ate her share of fried chicken and porkchops and really didnt do any exercise at all, but lived almost 110 years. Some people are built for certain things. [/quote]

So now you’ve inherited favorable genetics from your adopted grandmother? I’d give you a 10/10 but marks were deducted for failing to include the mandatory number of typos and for unnecessary repetition (you were too eager to make sure we didn’t miss any bullshit). Otherwise, it’s pure textbook trolling. 7/10.[/quote]

The parallel I was drawing is that doctors say to live long you must exercise and eat right yet she did none of this and outlived lots of people who do exercise and eat right because she had good genes. I remember hearing that her father, who was born a slave, lived to be 116.

So you read in bodybuilding books that you have to eat specific foods and eat them a certain time a day and a whole other litany of things to get bigger and stronger. But there are people like me who just may not have to follow those rules and still get the results. Read about somoatypes which I cam across on the internet. There are 3 classes of people:

mesomorphs, endomorphs, and ectomorphs. Most people are a mixture of 2 of the 3. I am an ectomorph and mesomorph mix. I have long arms and am very lean whic makes me a ectomorph. I am a mesomorph because I gain muscle and strength easy. Mesomorphs are usually average size for their height but their body size is made up more of muscle and they are usually stronger pound for pound. I have a medium sized frame. I can probably make it to about 210-215 if I ate like a bodybuilder, but honestly I wouldnt want to be any bigger than that. I do not wish to be a pro bodybuilder.[/quote]

Clip, you weigh 170 pounds. How are you drawing the conclusion that you gain muscle easily? If your numbers are legit, you have an above average ability to gain strength. However, you do not have the same ability to gain muscle or you would not be 170 pounds…get me?

You need to take a break from this “superior genetics” argument of yours. I was a strong kid, I put up 350 on bench at 17 years old and was 260 with abs before I turned 19. You don’t see me starting threads and then saying “sorry guys, my genetics are just better, tough luck…stop being jealous”. It’s gets old man.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

Fuck ypu cuz…i dont give a damn about your opinions and im finished responding to you. I mean if you dont believe me you dont believe me, but it seems like you got some kind of point to prove by trying to say im faking.[/quote]

I thought I made my point crystal clear you tedious little assflap: I think you’re a lying, deceitful troll with a backstory that has undergone more revisions than Mickey Rourke’s face.

But I do enjoy your responses in the way I would probably enjoy going to a circus freakshow and letting some deformed, mentally deficient oddball hiss and rant at me and throw his own turds out of his cage in anger because I’ve poked at him through the bars and invaded his little world. This thread is better, though - admission to this shitfest is free of charge.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

My adopted grandmother lived to be 108.She was born in 1887 and died in 1995. She didnt exercise or eat right. She ate her share of fried chicken and porkchops and really didnt do any exercise at all, but lived almost 110 years. Some people are built for certain things…
I was giving a metaphor and you know that. I was pointing out how you have anomolys from the norm and just as she was an anomoly so am I.[/quote]

You can’t be that much of an anomaly if your adopted grandmother had similar genetics to you. The odds of your parents choosing you over all the other babies must be astronomical. Or did your superior genetics help you stand out from the pack?

How did you figure out that you had similar genetic traits in the first place? You have no way of knowing that unless you have access to a state of the art lab. Lifespan has no correlation to how much you can lift. I can only assume that she could also incline DB press 130 a side for 8.

(maybe that’s what you mean by ‘relative’ strength: you can lift about as much as your 108 year old grandmother could) Oh, wait - she “really didn’t do any exercise at all”. It must be the fried chicken, then.