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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Can’t always judge a book by its cover. Ran into a guy that was out of shape and didn’t look like much now but ended up he was an asking badass hockey player back in the day. Showed some pics and footage. Dude was built like a brick shirt house. And mean as fuck. But agreed most stories get quite exaggerated[/quote]

For sure when there is an age gap like that, but this guy is 21 and looks like he never lifts. 6’1 weighs 175ish. Hard to buy a 700 lbs squat lol. Especially when I’ve seen him struggling with 185[/quote]

Ah sorry skimming got the best of me there

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Can’t always judge a book by its cover. Ran into a guy that was out of shape and didn’t look like much now but ended up he was an asking badass hockey player back in the day. Showed some pics and footage. Dude was built like a brick shirt house. And mean as fuck. But agreed most stories get quite exaggerated[/quote]

For sure when there is an age gap like that, but this guy is 21 and looks like he never lifts. 6’1 weighs 175ish. Hard to buy a 700 lbs squat lol. Especially when I’ve seen him struggling with 185[/quote]

Ah sorry skimming got the best of me there[/quote]

No worries happens to us all.

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I think the only time I’ve ever actually raged out at another person was when I got smacked in the temple by a douchebag carrying 35 lb dumbbells in the middle of a set of dumbbell press using the 110s. Fucker couldn’t be bothered to use the giant wide-ass AISLE to walk by. I blacked out, and came to with a 110 lb dumbbell plummeting downwards about 3 inches from my face. Fortunately I saved myself and didn’t tear anything in the process. Some minor bleeding.

I proceeded to put the man in fear of his life and told him to stay the fuck away from me unless he wanted to end up in the fucking hospital. I am fairly certain everybody body in the college gym thought I was going to kill him. I certainly felt like it.

The only other time I’ve ever felt like outright murdering someone in the gym was when I saw a 165 lb personal trainer put Bobby Fucking Lashley on an infomercial gadget for bodyweight squats and try to pimp it to him. Not a joke, although I wish it was. I was training a figure competitor about 12 feet away when it happened. I wanted to die of embarrassment, or murder him, or both.

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Bauber, that’s awesome you are planning your first show(s). As someone who currently uses a coach, I would highly recommend it. Especially considering this is your first go around, even with all of your knowledge, they can help you as you get especially lean and to maintain/keep as much muscle as possible.

I can’t speak highly enough of both Shelby and John (I use Shelby personally). Both have worked with some solid physiques and helped a number of people go pro. Can’t beat that resume!

Also, with an admirer ;), at least he’s not complaining about your “synth” arms.

I made my first friend at the gym this weekend. Guy is from New Zealand and looks slightly smaller than Bauber, he mainly does core lifts. Anywho, I am bringing this up, because to my amusement/amazement, he was asking me for advice. It was one of those moments where you stare at someone and wonder if they really, truly understand how big they are. Needless to say, he liked the advice I gave him and was rewarded with rather sore biceps!

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I think the only time I’ve ever actually raged out at another person was when I got smacked in the temple by a douchebag carrying 35 lb dumbbells in the middle of a set of dumbbell press using the 110s. Fucker couldn’t be bothered to use the giant wide-ass AISLE to walk by. I blacked out, and came to with a 110 lb dumbbell plummeting downwards about 3 inches from my face. Fortunately I saved myself and didn’t tear anything in the process. Some minor bleeding.

I proceeded to put the man in fear of his life and told him to stay the fuck away from me unless he wanted to end up in the fucking hospital. I am fairly certain everybody body in the college gym thought I was going to kill him. I certainly felt like it.

The only other time I’ve ever felt like outright murdering someone in the gym was when I saw a 165 lb personal trainer put Bobby Fucking Lashley on an infomercial gadget for bodyweight squats and try to pimp it to him. Not a joke, although I wish it was. I was training a figure competitor about 12 feet away when it happened. I wanted to die of embarrassment, or murder him, or both. [/quote]

I admire your restraint. I’d have wanted to kill him or at least drop both 110’s on his head.

Lol go personal trainer. How did Bobby Lashley respond haha?

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Bauber, that’s awesome you are planning your first show(s). As someone who currently uses a coach, I would highly recommend it. Especially considering this is your first go around, even with all of your knowledge, they can help you as you get especially lean and to maintain/keep as much muscle as possible.

I can’t speak highly enough of both Shelby and John (I use Shelby personally). Both have worked with some solid physiques and helped a number of people go pro. Can’t beat that resume!

Also, with an admirer ;), at least he’s not complaining about your “synth” arms.

I made my first friend at the gym this weekend. Guy is from New Zealand and looks slightly smaller than Bauber, he mainly does core lifts. Anywho, I am bringing this up, because to my amusement/amazement, he was asking me for advice. It was one of those moments where you stare at someone and wonder if they really, truly understand how big they are. Needless to say, he liked the advice I gave him and was rewarded with rather sore biceps![/quote]

How does one go about getting in contact with them? And pro as in IFBB pro? Just curious as obvious supplements come into play as well.

Very true haha!

Man I will take advice from anyone that works no matter how they look. Some people are just great with knowledge.

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Shelby has his own site, if you want it either google his name or send me a pm. John is the same way, he has his own website.

Shelby last year had one of his figure trainees go Pro in the IFBB - Jamie Pinder. This year she won her Pro Figure debut at the Wings of Strength. She’ll be competing this September in the first ever Miss Figure Olympia. Shelby has a host of trainees and does a good job responding. Like I said there’s lots of quality guys out there, but I’ve only ever worked with him. He answers all questions, has lots of knowledge, and I’ve always gotten a response within 15-30 minutes, unless it was while he was sleeping as we’re on different time zones.

John has worked with Antoine and helped him get his pro card (I believe). I’m not as familiar with John’s clients, but his conditioning he brings speaks for himself. Both John and Shelby are good friends and would have no issues recommending the other. I believe John has adopted some of Shelby’s diet principles and Shelby some of John’s exercise principles.

Good stuff all around. I highly encourage that you do some research before choosing, look at pictures of their previous clients, ask their methodologies for dieting - no cardio, steady state cardio, HIT, drugs, etc. There is a lot involved.

I’m sure folks here would do well also, but you’d want someone who is going to put time in for you, and “free coaching” isn’t going to cut it, not if you really want to hit your potential for a show. That being said, the longer you work with a coach the better they can “dial you in” because they learn your body. You are starting out pretty early though so it wouldn’t be too bad. And you’ve been “living the life” for some time so you aren’t some Joe off the street.

Edit: FYI, if you end up going pro - which I think was your goal - I call dibs on being in the “Bauber Crew” that gets to go to the Pro shows with you and help you out :P.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I think the only time I’ve ever actually raged out at another person was when I got smacked in the temple by a douchebag carrying 35 lb dumbbells in the middle of a set of dumbbell press using the 110s. Fucker couldn’t be bothered to use the giant wide-ass AISLE to walk by. I blacked out, and came to with a 110 lb dumbbell plummeting downwards about 3 inches from my face. Fortunately I saved myself and didn’t tear anything in the process. Some minor bleeding.

I proceeded to put the man in fear of his life and told him to stay the fuck away from me unless he wanted to end up in the fucking hospital. I am fairly certain everybody body in the college gym thought I was going to kill him. I certainly felt like it.

The only other time I’ve ever felt like outright murdering someone in the gym was when I saw a 165 lb personal trainer put Bobby Fucking Lashley on an infomercial gadget for bodyweight squats and try to pimp it to him. Not a joke, although I wish it was. I was training a figure competitor about 12 feet away when it happened. I wanted to die of embarrassment, or murder him, or both. [/quote]

I admire your restraint. I’d have wanted to kill him or at least drop both 110’s on his head.

Lol go personal trainer. How did Bobby Lashley respond haha?[/quote]

You have noooo idea how close I was to doing that lol. Fortunately it was before I started coaching people too, so no trouble there :P. I mean, I mind my own business but damn son, that’s not just rude it’s fucking dangerous.

Bobby Lashley…the only man I’ve ever met in person with arms the size of my head. You have no idea just how big he is till you stand next to him–I’m listed as his same height and weight according to Wiki (which has got to be understated, as I was bigger then at 255 than I am now but he still looked giant), but he looked down at me in person…and with huge ass arms. Nice guy, he was visiting some friends and just getting a basic arm workout in, some push-ups and stuff with them so nothing serious. He was much nicer than I would have been if I had been a stranger training in the gym that’s for damn sure! He actually was very nice and agreed to do the stupid 5 minute workout. He signed the equipment–which was ENTIRELY too nice–and as far as I know it is still sitting somewhere around the gym with his signature.

I was mortified for him. And myself for guilt by association haha. I broke off from the training session as he was leaving out the stairs and actually went and apologized for his experience–I mean I’m sure he’s never seen the inside of a gym before, or had a coach. He laughed it off and gave me probably the biggest compliment I’ve ever gotten in the gym…

He asked ME to take a picture with him on HIS phone. He told me I looked exactly like “my friend Triple H, only with a beard. I’ve gotta show him this when I get back”. Cue best workout of my life later that day lol.

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Slightly off topic, but does it bother anyone else when people say they are doing Kroc rows with 50 lb db’s for like 2 sets of 11? This has to be one of my biggest current pet peeves and it happens all the freaking time. I mean unless you can row the biggest db in your gym for 20- 30 reps then you are dumbbell rowing. Don’t try to give it a name to make yourself feel more special.

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I honestly don’t see why Kroc Rows are a special name to begin with. Isn’t it just high rep rows with heavy weight? In that case, heavy weight for one person might be 50lbs, heavy weight for someone else might be 150lbs.

My LA Fitness in the US had dumbells top out at 100lbs. Here in Gold’s in Japan, they have 200lb dumbells. That’s a hell of a difference in “heaviest dumbell.”

Realistically, I have never done “Kroc Rows” but I don’t see how if your “normal” Row is 100lbs 4x10, how you can Kroc Row 150lbs for 20+ reps with any kind of form. That’s where I get confused. Usually the higher the reps the less weight you use, otherwise you’d be able to go heavier for fewer reps?

Not knocking Kroc, but I think heavy is a relative term when it comes to folk’s progression.

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I don’t do Kroc rows but I will do a 4x10-12 with a squeeze at the top then do one extra ape shit set as JM would say and can hit 20-25 normally form is still good just no squeeze or pause at the bottom.

But someone who rows 50lb DBS doesn’t need to be using lose form or very high rep row. They need to focus in form and increasing weight.

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I guess the whole premise just doesn’t make sense to me. Tonight I’ll be doing 130’s for 5x8. When I finish, I would do a “kroc” set with 180lb dumbell? Hell, I’m literally spent when I finish that last set and swear at the pull-up bar under my breath because its next in line.

I doubt I could even break that 180lb dumbell off the ground, let alone hitting double digits with it, even with body English. I just feel like if you have enough “in the tank” do do a high rep set with a heavier dumbell, then you didn’t push yourself hard enough on the prior sets.

Thought maybe my example is a poor one and I wouldn’t be going to a 180lb dumbell, maybe stay at the 130lb and then just throw as much body English into it to get it done - though I’d be worried about injury.

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That’s what I do stay witht he same weight. Again it’s JMs training. You change the rep cadence to make it easier since each rep was 1-2 sec squeeze at the top and pause and stretch at the bottom and the ape shit set is explosive no pause or full extra stretch. A little body english to get the last couple. I have to do DB rows as a third exercise since DBS only go to 120

So last back workout was
3rd exercise (about 12 sets into the workout)
4x12 with a 1-2 s hold at top 1 s stretch. Ape shit set 23 reps. All with the 120s

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
That’s what I do stay witht he same weight. Again it’s JMs training. You change the rep cadence to make it easier since each rep was 1-2 sec squeeze at the top and pause and stretch at the bottom and the ape shit set is explosive no pause or full extra stretch. A little body english to get the last couple. I have to do DB rows as a third exercise since DBS only go to 120

So last back workout was
3rd exercise (about 12 sets into the workout)
4x12 with a 1-2 s hold at top 1 s stretch. Ape shit set 23 reps. All with the 120s[/quote]

Strong ass bastards.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
That’s what I do stay witht he same weight. Again it’s JMs training. You change the rep cadence to make it easier since each rep was 1-2 sec squeeze at the top and pause and stretch at the bottom and the ape shit set is explosive no pause or full extra stretch. A little body english to get the last couple. I have to do DB rows as a third exercise since DBS only go to 120

So last back workout was
3rd exercise (about 12 sets into the workout)
4x12 with a 1-2 s hold at top 1 s stretch. Ape shit set 23 reps. All with the 120s[/quote]

Strong ass bastards.[/quote]

Bah stfu hulk…<3. Plz dont kill me

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
That’s what I do stay witht he same weight. Again it’s JMs training. You change the rep cadence to make it easier since each rep was 1-2 sec squeeze at the top and pause and stretch at the bottom and the ape shit set is explosive no pause or full extra stretch. A little body english to get the last couple. I have to do DB rows as a third exercise since DBS only go to 120

So last back workout was
3rd exercise (about 12 sets into the workout)
4x12 with a 1-2 s hold at top 1 s stretch. Ape shit set 23 reps. All with the 120s[/quote]

Strong ass bastards.[/quote]

Bah stfu hulk…<3. Plz dont kill me[/quote]

I won’t kill you. Just eat you. Looks like you could be full of good quality beef like protein.

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So you don’t go heavier in weight for the Kroc Row, you just use your working set dumbell?

And do you really see a benefit of this, has it helped you in some way? I mean are you gaining in strength faster, has your back noticeably grown since you started doing these? I just don’t know if I can justify it with the risk of injury that comes with that kind of bad form.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I honestly don’t see why Kroc Rows are a special name to begin with. Isn’t it just high rep rows with heavy weight? In that case, heavy weight for one person might be 50lbs, heavy weight for someone else might be 150lbs.

My LA Fitness in the US had dumbells top out at 100lbs. Here in Gold’s in Japan, they have 200lb dumbells. That’s a hell of a difference in “heaviest dumbell.”

Realistically, I have never done “Kroc Rows” but I don’t see how if your “normal” Row is 100lbs 4x10, how you can Kroc Row 150lbs for 20+ reps with any kind of form. That’s where I get confused. Usually the higher the reps the less weight you use, otherwise you’d be able to go heavier for fewer reps?

Not knocking Kroc, but I think heavy is a relative term when it comes to folk’s progression.[/quote]

It’s 20 rep breathing squats for your back, that’s how you do it. Same concept, and exactly why nobody does “Kroc Rows” with 50 lb dumbbells. Or for anything less than 20 reps. You strap up and go. This is a big point as well–grip is in no way to be the limiting factor, so straps. I am sure the concept existed before Kroc, just like the Klokov Press existed before Klokov as a snatch grip strict press behind the neck. However, as with the Klokov Press Kroc reinvented and re-popularized truly heavy dumbbell rowing in the style of the 20 rep squat program. And just like you can’t say you’re doing a Klokov Press if you’re doing spastic-ass jerk/press abominations with a sort-of kind-of wide grip, you can’t say you’re doing “kroc rows” for 10 reps OR with light weights.

It’s 20 rep breathing squats for your back.

The Kroc rows have been one of my very favorite back training methods for years since I first tried them, I love them personally.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I honestly don’t see why Kroc Rows are a special name to begin with. Isn’t it just high rep rows with heavy weight? In that case, heavy weight for one person might be 50lbs, heavy weight for someone else might be 150lbs.

My LA Fitness in the US had dumbells top out at 100lbs. Here in Gold’s in Japan, they have 200lb dumbells. That’s a hell of a difference in “heaviest dumbell.”

Realistically, I have never done “Kroc Rows” but I don’t see how if your “normal” Row is 100lbs 4x10, how you can Kroc Row 150lbs for 20+ reps with any kind of form. That’s where I get confused. Usually the higher the reps the less weight you use, otherwise you’d be able to go heavier for fewer reps?

Not knocking Kroc, but I think heavy is a relative term when it comes to folk’s progression.[/quote]

It’s 20 rep breathing squats for your back, that’s how you do it. Same concept, and exactly why nobody does “Kroc Rows” with 50 lb dumbbells. Or for anything less than 20 reps. You strap up and go. This is a big point as well–grip is in no way to be the limiting factor, so straps. I am sure the concept existed before Kroc, just like the Klokov Press existed before Klokov as a snatch grip strict press behind the neck. However, as with the Klokov Press Kroc reinvented and re-popularized truly heavy dumbbell rowing in the style of the 20 rep squat program. And just like you can’t say you’re doing a Klokov Press if you’re doing spastic-ass jerk/press abominations with a sort-of kind-of wide grip, you can’t say you’re doing “kroc rows” for 10 reps OR with light weights.

It’s 20 rep breathing squats for your back.

The Kroc rows have been one of my very favorite back training methods for years since I first tried them, I love them personally.[/quote]

Yeah I’d say the breathing Squat thing is more applicable. Krocs rows, to me, are what you could row with good form for like 8-12, but just using some body english to get 20+ reps.

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Has it significantly grown your back since incorporating them in your workout?