That’s a lot of muscle for an old man.
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOLZ @ adding over and inch to your arms and 3 inches to your legs in a month as a natty.
Also, LOL at adding that size and 13lbs of good body weight, being amazed at how much you blew up and then stopping after a month.
GTFO with that nonsense. New lifters who don’t know any better are going to read that and think that’s a realistic possibility.[/quote]
lol I don’t know what to tell you guys, what I can say…was that I was on a strength oriented routine that literally had like no volume on it basically 85% of the time I trained. I ran stuff like Starting Strength,Madcows,or RegParks 5x5 up until the month that I did bodybuilding work. It must have just been the first time my muscles were exposed to sucking in tons of glycogen and the volume blew them up…I’m very sorry you have a hard time believing this?
Nubret himself apparently had 20 inch arms in his first 2 years of training on this method. I see him as the real anomaly,not some dude that got up to 17’s lol.
Also, I stopped the routine ecause I wasn’t a bodybuilder and never have been/was one. I powerlifted/strength trained the entire time except maybe a period of a few months so I was switching back to powerlifting :o . The routine made me lose a lot of pressing strength
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Natty here? Hell no.[/quote]
Man Serge is just massive.His chest dwarfs both of theirs
[quote]Ethan7X wrote:
I just wanted to add , that last year when I was bodybuilding instead of Powerlifting, I used this program for only about 1 month and I did make some very noticeable gains. In fact, the gains were so noticeable , that some people started asking me/thinking I was on steroids despite how ridiculously light the weight was.
It was only 1 month,that’s why I don’t feel qualified to give much input, but to give an example of some things that happened…:
1 month-ish before:
- 197-199 pounds
- 16 inch arms
- 25 inch legs
1 month-ish after:
- 210 pounds
- 17.2 inch arms
- 28 inch legs
I am not overexaggerating either. I literally exploded…whether it was glycogen or not, it didn’t really matter to me, it was the first program that got me into the 200+ pound barrier, and 1 inch of arm growth with a few inches on my legs was out of this world to me.
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Nope. Didn’t happen.
@ gregron soreness is often coming from new exercises or more range of motion. A little commense adding volume progressively will keep you smiling if you keep same exercices that is my experience.
[quote]The Rattler wrote:
[quote]Ethan7X wrote:
I just wanted to add , that last year when I was bodybuilding instead of Powerlifting, I used this program for only about 1 month and I did make some very noticeable gains. In fact, the gains were so noticeable , that some people started asking me/thinking I was on steroids despite how ridiculously light the weight was.
It was only 1 month,that’s why I don’t feel qualified to give much input, but to give an example of some things that happened…:
1 month-ish before:
- 197-199 pounds
- 16 inch arms
- 25 inch legs
1 month-ish after:
- 210 pounds
- 17.2 inch arms
- 28 inch legs
I am not overexaggerating either. I literally exploded…whether it was glycogen or not, it didn’t really matter to me, it was the first program that got me into the 200+ pound barrier, and 1 inch of arm growth with a few inches on my legs was out of this world to me.
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Nope. Didn’t happen.
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x2
it is annoying that you keep making so many troll posts and threads.
Ethan7X
sorry man. I feel like apologizing to you since you contributed to some of the best posts of this thread. Many reported similar experiences with GVT, fast buildup, some strenght loss. It seems some are sure you are telling bullshit, i am not. I really appreciate your input.
I guess i will use this knowledge and alternate volume fallowed by intensity. I reached 54 without any stretch mark with luck i will double that.
[quote]Ethan7X wrote:
I am not overexaggerating either. I literally exploded…
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If only…
Are you sure that you really “lost” pressing strength? Remember that the routine produces severe fatigue and for this reason many people will panic when they see that their strength numbers declines. But that’s nothing to worry about, if you want to have your strength numbers back, take one week off from training and start a program focusing on strength. After a short time something strange happens: You may start to set PR on your big lifts! I have personally witnessed this happens more than once…
Yes I am sure I lost pressing strength, it took me 2 months just to get back up to my normal bench. Please keep in mind I literally did this 8 months ago or something,so it’s not as if it was recent. I did go straight to a strength program after and it took me a long time(2 months was very long for me) to get back to my normal bench & whatnot. As I was saying though, the size gains are incredible; but I want to note I was literally having my girlfriend forcefeed food into me…like peanut butter dumped all over everything etc, but it worked because the training was so hard lol. Thanks BHAPPY, what’s funny is I bet if some of these people took somebody who strength trained the whole time,then put him on this program+forcefeed him,the same thing will happen.They just have never done it so it’s hard to believe lol.
Well extra weight is sometimes fat, sometimes water, sometimes a mix. That is why i call it inflammation. I do not eat salt. Come xmas, new year, i eat at family meetings gain 1, 2 or 3 pounds and they are gone in 1 or 2 days. I can quickly add 10 pounds but i will not be stronger.
There is also the bell curve, 60% are average or near, about 25% are not that far away and the rest have what could be called extreme results. Some are hit by lightning multiple times or win big …
Personally i am very flexible, very good endurance wise but strenght . . .
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Anyone notice the DOMS after these Nubret sessions?
I always get DOMS, but these are total and complete! My entire back, from traps to lower lats and all the way across feels like one big sore muscle. My delts are sore front to back, insertion to insertion.
I feel a bit tired, but not the kind of exhaustion I usually got from lower rep heavy training to failure. In fact, I feel really relaxed like nothing bothers me.
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The thing is that these doms are not worse than normal but different. I did calves 8x12 and felt like they were still pumped for days. chest is actually worse, but I think that is because of the wide grip presses which are totally new to me. but yeah parts are sore that have never been sore before. 4 days in by the way, just did second chest quad workout, chest was still sore but performance actually imroved, quads performance improved as well, although they were not sore going in.
It really does hit the belly of the muscle more then the joints, and if done right will not cause much nervous system fatigue.
But since so many people are trying it now, you should all watch for the one hiccup that throws people off. Going to true failure even rarely , which is a big strain on the CNS, slows recovery and will eventually add up .
Also substitution are fair game, however if you put in a really "draining’ exercise like Dead Lift you will also likely burn out.
Serge said he didn’t deadlift,and you shouldn’t either if using his training : )
Can we rehash the difference between chin ups and pull ups? The ones serge starts his back workout with are under or over hand? narrow, wide or shoulder width grip?
[quote]Bradley Joe Kelly wrote:
… watch for the one hiccup that throws people off. Going to true failure even rarely , which is a big strain on the CNS, slows recovery and will eventually add up .
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I’ve noticed the last 2 sets always seem to drop in reps drastically, and I find myself going to failure trying to reach them. I have to work on my head here. I’m so used to going to failure, it’s a hard habit to break.
On the other hand, because I’m now only hitting each part once per week, I may not be doing the damage I could be doing if I were hitting each part twice per week (which I’m going to work up to gradually).
The other part that screws with my head is the ridiculous poundages I’m now using! I gotta get over it and focus on feel, the pump, and stopping short of failure on the last sets.
The thing I love about it at this point is, my elbow tendinitis, though still present, is not impeding my performance! However, I’m still waiting for my knee tendinitis to heal before including quad training… which I know is going to be a real bitch when it comes!
lol
@ MiJuggernaut
below is a quote from Chad Waterbury who knows way more than i do
Your body is just as valuable as any million-dollar athlete’s. I won’t let any athlete do pull-ups from a fixed bar, and I wouldn’t advise you to do it, either. The risk is not worth the potential reward. Use rings for pull-ups.
Below is the link to the full article
at least we can use what i call wraps the correct term i am not sure of. They are wide straps we slide our arms in to bypass a weak link might it be grip or biceps to work the lats heavily.
Personaly i use wraps about half the time, and split between over, under and neutral grip to avoid overuse problems. Allways using the aids might create weaker links.
All the best
I planned on doing back today. I cant move my arms.
CHest yesterday literally destroyed. Wide grip presses are the deveil.
12 sets of flyes x 12 was also a disaster (incline and flat) My triceps and rear delts are also ruined. I think i went too heavy as i was near failure at the end of a few sets towards the end
@ Iron Dwarf
Welcome to the club! I also felt like a fish out of water my first 3 days. Yesterday was my first WO that felt right. We are creatures of habit so we can create new ones with repetition.
All the best
I do not know how he did chin ups exactly. His exact description was "“chin ups: weighted or assisted”. If I had to guess, and what I use is just the standard palms inward( supinated grip) . But with his english he may have meant pullups which is a pronated grip and reduces bicep carryover . Which would make sense too.
But I do like Bhappy’s approach too.