[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I began injecting today, 300 mg Test Cyp every 2 weeks (legally). Put it into my right thigh.
This is so easy and utterly painless, I’m pissed I didn’t do it earlier.
Screw the gels, patches, and all that stuff! Just do it yourself, its easy!!
HH[/quote]
I hate needles but I love papar! Plus I can take it anytime throughout the day, anywhere I go.
[quote]KSman wrote:
bodyrokk wrote:
Ive been doing cyp injections for several months now after crappy gels use… i use 22g 1" needles on occasion i nick a vein it bleeds abit…i also get a lot of lumps after injections ,still there after a week…not sure why? one time i did hit something artery or vein don’t know but it was a gusher…
Injecting the vastus lateralis? You can look for the veins. Can be hard if the light is not right or if some fat there. Try rubbing the area briskly to make the veins easier to see. When you go through a vein, it can be painful too; and you may be going through the top and bottom.
#25 gauge needles would reduce damage to the veins when hit, reduce bleeding and scaring of the muscle and skin. Lumps can be from blood… are they also looking like bruises? Are the lumps sore or warm?[/quote]
Since we’re on the subject KSman, I read a post recently where someone stated that after pulling back on the plunger and in fact finding blood that it is important to rid your syringe of said blood even to the point of changing pins before injecting your oil. I have always just chose a different site and injected the oil (blood and all); can you tell me what the potential consequences are for doing this (if any)?
Thanks,
Mousse
[quote]GreenMountains wrote:
Headhunter,
Good to see you found something that is working for you.
Anyone know:
Are people injecting twice a week then using Testosterone Propionate since it is faster acting? Or stick with Testosterone Cypionate or Testosterone Enanthate?[/quote]
After making it through the thread I had not seen where this had been addressed; if it has already then my bad. From what I have learned here on T-Nation, Prop s/b administered no less frequently than E3D. I’m also finding the same holds true for the longer ester tests just to keep blood levels consistent. Anyone want to chime in on this?
[quote]Mousse wrote:
Since we’re on the subject KSman, I read a post recently where someone stated that after pulling back on the plunger and in fact finding blood that it is important to rid your syringe of said blood even to the point of changing pins before injecting your oil. I have always just chose a different site and injected the oil (blood and all); can you tell me what the potential consequences are for doing this (if any)?
Thanks,
Mousse[/quote]
No harm at all. It is your blood. It will be absorbed just as a bruise is absorbed.
[quote]Mousse wrote:
After making it through the thread I had not seen where this had been addressed; if it has already then my bad. From what I have learned here on T-Nation, Prop s/b administered no less frequently than E3D. I’m also finding the same holds true for the longer esther tests just to keep blood levels consistent. Anyone want to chime in on this?[/quote]
All of the test esters are a time release mechanism. With frequent injections, there are a number of active T deposits in various overlapping stages of release. It really boils down to what feels right to you- also dealing with the effort factor.
I inject EOD, but this is mostly to harmonized with my HCG EOD injections. I would probably feel fine on E3D. With frequent injections, you do not need a long acting ester. So one can be more flexible if eth or cyp are more available or affordable.
With frequent injections, the dose is small and injection with a .5" #28-#29 .5mll insulin syringe works well. For the small dose, the .5" needle is a deep enough IM injections. Avoiding 1.5" long #22-#23 needles is also a valid benefit.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Mousse wrote:
Since we’re on the subject KSman, I read a post recently where someone stated that after pulling back on the plunger and in fact finding blood that it is important to rid your syringe of said blood even to the point of changing pins before injecting your oil. I have always just chose a different site and injected the oil (blood and all); can you tell me what the potential consequences are for doing this (if any)?
Thanks,
Mousse
No harm at all. It is your blood. It will be absorbed just as a bruise is absorbed.[/quote]
Thanks bra…your wisdom offers a great deal to this site.
[quote]peterm534 wrote:
I’ve been on HRT for a few years now, I always inject in my glutes, but lately have’t felt like it was making a difference. Sometimes my wife gives me the shot.
I thought it (cyp) slowly released into the bloodstream, from the area in which it was “deposited” hence the test depot name? Does anyone know if it’s what happens if it’s injected into fat tissue? Is it still absorbed? I’m not fat, but my thighs are a lot leaner than my glutes.
I took 300mg a few days ago, don’t feel it much. My doc said inject it into the glutes, but maybe I’ll try my thigh next time.
I had my blood work done and my test was really low. Estradiol was normal/low. My gp said get my test dosage adjusted. Does anyone know what 200mgs cyp will produce in plasma? If my plasma test level was 200 at day 14, what the hell was it at day 1 or 2?? The literature says half life is 14 days? Someone here says 8 days? how longis it really?? Either way my level was very low.
thanks![/quote]
Go to this link to see possible dosage/plasma levels
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/281/6/E1172/T2
cheers
The half life is not 14 days. By day 14 it will be cleared out of your system and your T levels are then probably lower than before starting TRT. The high spikes of T from the injections will increase SHBG and estradiol (E2) and many here would expect that you will feel worse, not better.
100mg/wk is a typical starting dose. Weekly injections feel good at first when they kick in in a couple of weeks or so. The T docks at T receptors, the receptor complex gets pulled into the cell and changes occur to the gene expression in the nucleus of the cell, changes occur in the cell and the bulk changes occur to tissues. This all takes time. It is not like shooting dope.
Many need to inject more than once a week to feel better. I inject every other day, (EOD/E2D). Some inject twice a week or E3D.
If you feel like crap, it could be from E2. What is your serum E2 blood work level and the lab range from the lab report.
For me, lowering my E2 was the key to feeling well. I felt supercharged after 4 weeks on T, by 3 months I felt like crap. E2 is the problem. I felt down the days before my next weekly injection, after a while the down days were 7 days a week and I did not feel any lift from the injection.
98 mg/wk of test cyp took me to 886, adding 250iu HCG took me to 1025.
Are you using T from a pharmacy or gear… possibly fake. Sounds like your T is perhaps fake. If not fake, the T was completely gone at day 14 as expected.
I recommend that you start injecting twice a week or E3D at least.
You need HCG to keep your testes healthy… not shrinking.
Do blood testing 1/2 way through your injection cycle.
If you have thin skin/fat on your quads, you can inject with a #27,28,29 .5" .5ml insulin syringe. Some will use a #25 1" needle. The .5" needle is fine for that location with thin skin and small injection volumes.
The half life of T cyp or eth is more like 5-6 days. How you feel is more important than such numbers… you feel like crap now I guess.
Infrequent injections with large doses create spikes of T that are very high. That drives up E2 production and increases SHBG. SHBG reduces free FT. Creating E2 from FT also reduces the amount of FT. Frequent small doses reduce the spikes and the issues from that. You then have overlapping injections with overlapping release profiles. Ideal TRT would replace T level patterns. Injecting twice a week is simply wrong.
I did not see at first that you have been on HRT for years… some of the above reads for a beginner… sorry.