Started test-e e3d, 250 mg. Wanted to do a first shot with 2.5 ml since it’s dosed at 200 mg/ml but was scared of my first shot so I did 1 ml (next one will have to be 1.5). I did a nice little circle on my right glute and went for it. Well heh. I have to say I hesitated for a while. I hate needles and have fainted from them in the past.
Alright put the pin in but rather slowly and at a 90 degree angle. Aspirated and out came two large bubbles of air. Great! Started to slowly inject and after 20 seconds of concentration I pulled the pin out and sterilized the place. Out came a tiny streak of blood. I put a small bandage on top.
Things I can do better:
I forgot to blow air into the vial using the syringe to create an over-pressure in the vial.
I didn’t hold the syringe steadily while aspirating and it could have created scars in my glutes, as well when injecting I should have kept the left hand near the pin to stabilize it.
Info:
I used 21" to draw and 23" to pin.
I have mislk thistle liver support from Vitaminshoppe that I take once a day in the morning every day. I also take adex 0.25 mg eod.
Congratulations funmetal. First time injecting? Try the ventrogluteal site. It’s easier to get to than the glute and, even if you are a little shaky, it’s easier to hold the pin in place so you don’t tear up your muscle. I just injected delt for the first time the other day and there was a red line instead of a dot when I pulled the pin out from me cranking it around so damn much trying to get it right.
Also I think you’ll adjust to the pinning pretty quick. I like the E3D injections, that’s what I’m doing, too.
[quote]funmetal wrote:
Let’s get to it.
Started test-e e3d, 250 mg. Wanted to do a first shot with 2.5 ml since it’s dosed at 200 mg/ml but was scared of my first shot so I did 1 ml (next one will have to be 1.5). I did a nice little circle on my right glute and went for it. Well heh. I have to say I hesitated for a while. I hate needles and have fainted from them in the past.
Alright put the pin in but rather slowly and at a 90 degree angle. Aspirated and out came two large bubbles of air. Great! Started to slowly inject and after 20 seconds of concentration I pulled the pin out and sterilized the place. Out came a tiny streak of blood. I put a small bandage on top.
Things I can do better:
I forgot to blow air into the vial using the syringe to create an over-pressure in the vial.
I didn’t hold the syringe steadily while aspirating and it could have created scars in my glutes, as well when injecting I should have kept the left hand near the pin to stabilize it.
Info:
I used 21" to draw and 23" to pin.
I have mislk thistle liver support from Vitaminshoppe that I take once a day in the morning every day. I also take adex 0.25 mg eod.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Congratulations funmetal. First time injecting? Try the ventrogluteal site. It’s easier to get to than the glute and, even if you are a little shaky, it’s easier to hold the pin in place so you don’t tear up your muscle. I just injected delt for the first time the other day and there was a red line instead of a dot when I pulled the pin out from me cranking it around so damn much trying to get it right.
Also I think you’ll adjust to the pinning pretty quick. I like the E3D injections, that’s what I’m doing, too.
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Thanks Cortes,
Yes it’s my first time with IM.
I checked out the ventrogluteal sites in nursing books and in prisoner22s recommended links. However it looks for me more complicated to find. I’m not an MD with an anatomy background so I don’t feel comfortable feeling for underlying bones. If there is an easier way I’m all ears as I have to act like a contortionist to pin myself at the moment.
With the glutes you draw a cross on your ass cheek and pin it in the upper outer quadrant. Simple as that.
I think most of the pain from shots is not holding them steady and creating inner scars. Putting some oil inside should be no big deal for the body. It stores a lot of fat for example and does not complain
Anyways those were of course guesses but it looks like if you keep a stone cold and steady hand while injecting it should pretty much not cause any discomfort at all.
Inserting the pin was not hurting at all. Only now I have a slightly burning feeling in my cheek.
Ah, yet another reason why I have second thoughts about taking the plunge. I am just one shaky bastard. I always picture myself injecting with the same effect a sewing machine would have.
Why was your goal a 2.5 ml shot the first time? Were you planning a 500 mg frontload? You said you were going to do 250 mg e3d which would come to 1.25 ml at 200 mg/ml.
Why the liver support? My understanding is that orals are where one really needs to be careful with liver health, not injectibles.
[quote]roofus_5 wrote:
A couple of observations/questions:
Why was your goal a 2.5 ml shot the first time? Were you planning a 500 mg frontload? You said you were going to do 250 mg e3d which would come to 1.25 ml at 200 mg/ml.
Why the liver support? My understanding is that orals are where one really needs to be careful with liver health, not injectibles.
Just curious…[/quote]
Hi Roofus,
My first intention was doing once a week shots of 2.5 ml because of convenience. I will have to do a frontload of 500 mg once in the cycle while on vacation for a week. Is that ok? Like e3d for most of the time and then once inside the cycle you do one 500 mg shot and wait 7 days until the next 250 mg shot going back to e3d. My guess is that it’s not so bad.
I saw the syringe loaded with 2.5 ml and I said no fucking way. That’s how I chose to do e3d
Liver support. I guess it’s always good.
Btw I have a lot of paper tbol from before of the departure of my dearest feline friend. Enough for 3 cycles or so on 60 mg per day for 6 weeks. If I want to start the tbol, should I run it immediately or at the end of the cycle?
Tbol should take a while to kick in right? I tried it by itself and it was ok but when on IM it should be better.
I was just curious. I’d definitely say that e3d is the way to go. As for the big shot, that’s better than missing it entirely, but you’re going to have a pretty big spike and fall in test levels somewhere in there. Unless you just can’t, I’d suggest preloading a syringe and taking it with you during vacation.
As for the tbol question, I’ll have to defer to the more experienced vets, I just don’t know.
Now 2 days after the first shot and should do next tomorrow. Soreness is completely gone. For one day it’s like I had pin-memory. All sites where I previously had an injection and I didn’t have many so far, were all hurting or slightly painful. This is of course impossible since it was years ago on some sites. All in my head.
Next one will be rotated in the left glute but I will try to find more info on the ventrogulteal site and how to identify it easily. I also will try with the delts but for the quads I’m not sure.
Doing the adex also e3d 0.25 so as to take the shot at the same time.
Why is it that so many self-inject into the quads? Convenience?
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
I think yeah, the convenience of being able to see wtf you’re doing, hold the pin steady, etc. Great site, just watch out for getting it too close to the connective tissue that runs all the way down the lateral side. Bushy told me to not get any under that or there could be trouble. I shot just over the midline of the rectus femoris at the beginning of the vastus lateralis muscle.
It's definitely a good site, but watch your volume too, 2ml seemed like almost too much to me. I think it gets used to it as time goes on though.
ToneBone[/quote]
Hi ToneBone,
I can appreciate the stability it gives to be in a comfortable position when injecting as it gives a much more stable surface.
[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
Ah, yet another reason why I have second thoughts about taking the plunge. I am just one shaky bastard. I always picture myself injecting with the same effect a sewing machine would have.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s that bad. You will get more steady as you progress. In the worst case ask a friend to help you out.
I’m trying out different sites until I find one that I’m happy with. Glutes make a lot of sense as You can hold the syringe with both hands for example.
[quote]funmetal wrote:
I think I will have to change sites for injecting or I will have to become much more flexible since it’s so hard to self inject into the glutes.
funmetal[/quote]
I’m tellin you, man, ventrogluteal is the way to go. It is seriously not that hard to figure out (I’ve only pinned myself less than 10 times so far, so if I can do it, I know you can).
It is basically on your side. Take where you would normally pin your glute, then move in a straight line toward the anterior and stop at the side of your leg/ass that is in a direct line down from your armpit. That’s it. If you are still uncertain, then from there find your iliac crest (waist bone, or hip bone if you prefer), and move down about the length of your index finger. Is it soft and muscley (i.e. not bony) there? That’s where you stick yourself. This site can take as much as 5ml!!! Easy to get to, you can use both hands, can see what you are doing, and if you are sore it doesn’t interfere with the training of any major muscle groups. It’s just a great site. I’m rotating around and experimenting now, but that site seems to me to be ideal for AAS users.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
funmetal wrote:
I think I will have to change sites for injecting or I will have to become much more flexible since it’s so hard to self inject into the glutes.
funmetal
I’m tellin you, man, ventrogluteal is the way to go. It is seriously not that hard to figure out (I’ve only pinned myself less than 10 times so far, so if I can do it, I know you can).
It is basically on your side. Take where you would normally pin your glute, then move in a straight line toward the anterior and stop at the side of your leg/ass that is in a direct line down from your armpit. That’s it. If you are still uncertain, then from there find your iliac crest (waist bone, or hip bone if you prefer), and move down about the length of your index finger. Is it soft and muscley (i.e. not bony) there? That’s where you stick yourself. This site can take as much as 5ml!!! Easy to get to, you can use both hands, can see what you are doing, and if you are sore it doesn’t interfere with the training of any major muscle groups. It’s just a great site. I’m rotating around and experimenting now, but that site seems to me to be ideal for AAS users.[/quote]
I’m still trying to find this site. It seems you have like 2-3 centimeters in diameter to shoot into, from the sketches that I’ve seen. It looks so precise that I can’t really find it. I will keep trying though.
I just put a shot in the thigh and for now it’s the site with least problems so far. Mainly because I can control what happens much better. I’m a big control freak
I take that back regarding the thigh being such a good site. It becomes hard to walk goddamnit! It didn’t start hurting or aching until maybe 8 hours after the shot.
Well well. Today I felt my first pumps that were more pronounced than normal. I can really understand why people juice. It’s soo good!
Ha haaa! Yeah bro! How long have you been on now fun? I just rejoined my old gym after three fucking years of working out in the cold outside in the winters...
It fucking rocks!
How much volume did you slam into the quad?
That was a good indicator from Cortes on the ventro...It almost seems like the easiest damn site around, and yet it can take a lot more. Except when I felt where C indicated, it felt really "hard"..not sure about that..Hopefully you and I both will find the bastard.
cheers bud,
the pumps sound great bro!
ToneBone[/quote]
Hi ToneBone,
It felt like I was in the scene of pumping iron while working out today. My goodness the pumps are really something! I think I understand now why high volume training is so highly regarded by bodybuilders that do roids. You have these massive pumps that fill you up like a balloon and lets you workout hard and long and with super-mega-duper protein synthesis. But I guess lifting big still works wonders. That’s what Dorian Yates was doing.
The tbol is like a tiny little brother in comparison. But I guess it’s good in combination. I will try to run it clean for now using only test to keep the parameters in check.
I put 1.3 ml into the quad. Painless shot, just a little blood. This time I pre-filled the syringe, took a shower and applied alcohol for 30 seconds to the site of injection. Was also using 30 seconds swabbing with alcohol on the vial prior to drawing. Forgot to pre-heat the vial this time.
The injection itself was beautiful. Super-stable as I could use both hands. When I aspirate I always get huge air bubbles inside of the syringe or nothing. I have to draw quite hard to get anything out when aspirating but once it starts the air pops out big. How do you make a small aspiration? By the look of it until now I’m mostly air inside
How much volume did you slam into the quad?
That was a good indicator from Cortes on the ventro...It almost seems like the easiest damn site around, and yet it can take a lot more. Except when I felt where C indicated, it felt really "hard"..not sure about that..Hopefully you and I both will find the bastard.
cheers bud,
the pumps sound great bro!
ToneBone[/quote]
Funmetal I promise this is my last post on it and I’ll stop hijacking your thread. I sound like the Jim Jones of the ventrogluteal injection site.
If you feel “hard” that is not bone, Tone, you are okay. Like flexed muscle hard is okay. Just make sure you are not injecting into your trochantor or iliac crest. If you can find both of those bones (shouldn’t be hard unless you have hips like Chris Farley) you can shoot at the point inbetween them and almost certainly be okay.
I shot quad the first time a couple of days ago and, aside from the ease of injection, it is my least favorite site so far. The pain that comes later is a lot worse than the other sites I have done, and has lasted almost 2 days for me. It’s not seriously painful because the batch of test I got seems to be pretty good quality, but compared to basically no pain at all it sucks.
I’m looking for this ventrogluteal site like a mad man but have yet not had success locating it. It seems at this moment since I’m not sure where it is I rather shoot in some bigger area like glutes or quads.
I want to do the ventro site, believe me. How precise do you have to be when injecting there?
I’m looking for this ventrogluteal site like a mad man but have yet not had success locating it. It seems at this moment since I’m not sure where it is I rather shoot in some bigger area like glutes or quads.
I want to do the ventro site, believe me. How precise do you have to be when injecting there?
funmetal[/quote]
I’m pretty sure if you are not sticking into bone and you are basically around that area you will be okay if you take all of the precautions you would with any other injection? I wasn’t really sure myself the first time I stuck (and it was literally my first time) and even my wife the nurse wasn’t familiar with it but I just kind of guessed “this must be it” and stuck it in there. No problems. If you draw that line down from your armpit and make sure you are not sticking into bone I don’t see how you can go wrong.
Strength is noteiceably up and the pumps are really up. Did series of 3 reps of 10 sets of deadlift with 145 kgs last week and this week I’m doing 4 reps no sweat! I was doing extra exercises after finishing my normal (non-juiced) program because I felt I had so much more left in me.
Wow!
Test is really something. Also I feel kind of invincible but that might just be placebo.
I noticed I look up more than before and I have a better mood overall. I might have had a problem with estrogen levels since now I feel like my chains have been broken. Can you dig it? Also probably just in my head but I just wanted to add this observation.
Hunger is through the roof and I have to watch out a bit. However it looks like even if I gulp down excess amounts of still clean food I look lean. It might be that’s because the muscles contract more often throughout the day. It’s like a mirage, but I like it.
Hmmmm. I’m a bit dreading the day I’m going off already. This is some potent shit!
No problems with bloat, just harder muscles all over.
Was doing seated calves today. Since I injected into the quad recently it was hurting a bit but not that bad.
Injected into the left quad today. The first pin attempt was not successful as I hit a nerve but I hit it almost immediately under the surface of the skin. I re-drew the needle and pinned it 3 centimeters away. No problem and went in very smooth.
-1) wiped of the vial with alcohol for 30 seconds in one direction
0) put the vial in a glass of hot water to heat it
