It sounds like you’re overdosed and this is what I was afraid of. Yes, smaller more frequent dosages may be the best way to go.
Sustanon should be treated as other esters, 2-3 times per week injection frequency normally the sweet spot. EOD/daily may also be optimal for some due to the sizeable propionate component. The once every two weeks administration was dreamt up in the marketing department, on the premise that the various ester elimination half life’s would keep levels stable for that two week period. This however seldom works out in practise.
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Thank you, i thought I may have but it was only 1ml, so thought this would have been near impossible tbh. Still having headaches today and its a wk later, is it likely the other symptoms will subside?
I’m in a difficult place atm, i’m due to go on holiday next week on Wed (so a week from now) and thats when next Sust injection is booked for (after a blood test on Monday to check test level, if within normal range) i would usually go on to having it?
So my choice is either have it, or dont have any test before i go? Is it safe to have it again? Is there anything i can do to help this without drs as they are useless?
When I get bk i will arrange to discuss with my urologist that this is a stupid dosage protocol too! And look into other avenues to get treated…
I wouldn’t not get the dose…or you risk being in “no mans land” during your holiday i.e. no natural production & no test injection. So, ask them to move it to Tuesday…it’s a reasonable request.
At the very least…ask them for once a week injection; and then work on getting onto private, where they just send you the Test (I live in London) for self-administration.
The final route of course…is that you order Test and blood tests online and do it yourself until you can go private.
@systemlord @voluminous @thefloorislava Thank you, yes don’t want to be in “no mans land”, so i have an appointment on nxt Wed anyway, after my bloods on Monday. So will get the injection as stated then (i dont leave till Wed evening). I was just worried about these side effects thats all, and dont want them to get worse by having another one?
If my test levels are massively elevated this will show on the testosterone blood test results from Monday, so will know then if too high etc.
This is the issue they wont give a weekly one as 250 mg (1ml) is too much for 1 week, and they just won’t split doses!
So yeah when get bk ill look into other venues, i can get it UGL but then its injections myself, however can use insulin needles for this so should be virtually painless? Or what do you feel is best method for this, im guessing as frequent injections then will be sub q?
Then it’s just worrying about injecting so frequently and not hitting scar tissue?
Im gonna try hcg and nolva at some point anyway to see if can kickstart balls to produce test, before i commit to any long stading TRT. I had an occasion years ago where i did deca and sust and just stupidly used more deca than sust as was young and stupid. After that the issue started as didnt do a proper PCT. Left it years…
My bloods are above so you can see all my results, what protocol would you advise for hcg i.e, 500 iu 2 x weekly and then some nolva ? My GP will provide Hcg as its already been discussed that i need to try keep fertility, If kickstart doesnt work, then ill move onto sub q test and hopefully private clinic so no more stupid dosage protocols! As balls will be almost producing no test soon naturally, than will know if hcg has worked, does this need an AI too so not to crash E2?!
Now you understand why so many go private. I find it strange that doctors are unable to adapt, the guidelines have them in chains, either that or they have no backbone, to do what they know is right for the patient.
You can buy T over the counter and do it yourself. Medichecks is where you can order your own labs.
Yes i totally agree, the dosage protocol just seems like its all about £££, GPs availability for nurses which is ridiculous and there refusal to split doses - just want to give you full shot and not have any waste!
Which counter?? Test is not available unless prescriptions as far as i know?
What would you say about this mate please? And below?
So yeah when get bk ill look into other venues, i can get it UGL but then its injections myself, however can use insulin needles for this so should be virtually painless? Or what do you feel is best method for this, im guessing as frequent injections then will be sub q?
Then it’s just worrying about injecting so frequently and not hitting scar tissue?
Im gonna try hcg and nolva at some point anyway to see if can kickstart balls to produce test, before i commit to any long stading TRT. I had an occasion years ago where i did deca and sust and just stupidly used more deca than sust as was young and stupid. After that the issue started as didnt do a proper PCT. Left it years…
My bloods are above so you can see all my results, what protocol would you advise for hcg i.e, 500 iu 2 x weekly and then some nolva ? My GP will provide Hcg as its already been discussed that i need to try keep fertility, If kickstart doesnt work, then ill move onto sub q test and hopefully private clinic so no more stupid dosage protocols! As balls will be almost producing no test soon naturally, than will know if hcg has worked, does this need an AI too so not to crash E2?!
In the UK, you can walk into a pharmacy and by testosterone over the counter. Women in menopause can even buy an estrogen pill now over the counter.
Are you sure about this and which testosterone is available over the counter??
As far as i know always need a prescription?
I cant wait till Jatenzo is available here and ill be takimg that instead of injections for sure…
You cannot buy Testosterone over the counter in the UK without a prescription chaps.
Prescription, or UGL… those are your choices.
I agree about Jatenzo, would love to try it
Re UGL: former member here who I still have contact with recommended the below, if TRT was not approved that’s where I was heading. Make sure you go to info then to the link…there is a scam website if you miss one of the “s” in --dssh–. If the choice was bombing myself with 250mg every 2 weeks or going DIY…given what I’ve learnt; DIY seems like a lesser evil. But do try and go legit via private, once you can save the money.
In regards to your questions…I’m a complete novice, on Week 4 of TRT myself. So, I’ll leave it to the others to provide their views.
I do use Insulin needles (buy them on Amazon)…with no issues. The needles they send with TRT are crazy long and I don’t fancy it 
Thanks mate, yes i’ve got sources for UGL tbh, its just taking something then cant go go drs with any issues as they will q where got it from etc. Yes, its an absolute joke that we hsve to go private and therefore pay stupid money just to inject ourselves, as NHS wont allow this and thats why have to go to get an injection in full and not broken down which is obviously better for us!
Ah yes I see, you’re new like myself so that makes sense, can i ask
Have you gone private?:
Were you given Nedbido first?
What test are you on and how are you administering this? How often etc, with insulin pins where are you injecting and im guessing it’s sub q not IM?
My issue with this is always using same area and then scar tissue etc?
Thought so 
Most defo and no more messing with injections @systemlord is on it i believe?
So much easier to dial in! If by 7 days you don’t start feeling good, bump the dosage up until you do and you’re done! Sit back and watch the good stuff happen.
With injections I have to stop for a few days to feel good, then return of low-T symptoms and the cycle repeats over and over again…
Jatenzo is basically testosterone undecanoate (Nebido) with an ingredient that aids in absorption inside the small intestine, so it gets in the bloodstream quickly.
Yes, I’m on Jatenzo @ 237 mg twice daily.
Definitely the future and the way to go!
Just depends how long UK takes to pull its finger out if its backside! Hopefully not long
What do you think of my hcg and nolva idea detailed above and what protocol would you suggest mate if so?
If it fails i’m gonna have to go private/or go back to Nebido as Sust is just causing quite a few issues and regular injections compared to that… Nebido didnt seem to bad tbh… i’m gonna see if allergic reaction was from that, or something else! Then will see…
@systemlord @thefloorislava @rusty_hammer @highpull
I’m completely lost for words…
I’ve had the initial 1ml Sustanon 250 injection on the 12/04/2023. I have had awful returning symptoms of low test since 24/04/2023, therefore booked bloods to see if testosterone levels were low.
Bloods come back and show testosterone levels have dropped to 8.1.
Been to GP today to get the injection (so we’re at 2 weeks since last had one).
Only to be told 8-30 is the reference range and im at 8.1 so this is within ref range and still normal.
Obviously i argued the toss with her!!! She spoke to a Dr who then spoke to a consultant, who said the quickest would be 2 days before the 3 weeks would be the max they could do it??!
Why is there such stupid dosage protocols in the NHS!!!
I’m supposed to be going on hols for a week and feel like shit, cat sleep etc…
So i’m going to a friends who does it himself and i’m gonna get it done, just wanted to have a final check with you lads, this is fine to do yeah? Will be 2 weeks today since i last ad one and will be 1ml again
I’ve asked my urologist to send in writing, that 2 wks should be my protocol as shows at 8.1 after test two weeks ago!..
Thoughts please lads
Going to the NHS for TRT is like going to the butchers for a haircut. I understand you say you are financially constrained but I would really see if there is anything you can sacrifice to find the c. £50 per month for private treatment. Your physiological and psychological health must be your priority and mismanaged treatment can be deleterious to both.
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And if private treatment is not possible, hell I would even argue finding a reputable (although may take a little time) UGL, with responsible DIY and regular blood work to be a much better route than NHS treatment.
I think we should never forget that a Senior NHS Endocrinologist told me once “not to worry about Estradiol, because its the female hormone so ideally we want that as low as possible”. Senior NHS Endo ladies and gentlemen…
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It seems your hormone levels are lower than baseline which got you the TRT script, with two tests showing 9.6 nmol/L and 10.8 nmol/L on the second test, yet 8.1 nmol/L is acceptable?!
This is dangerously ignorant!
You’re not a robot. Being in the therapeutic ranges occasionally doesn’t cut it!
Don’t wear yourself out wondering why the NHS is so bad at managing male hormones, it’s a waste of energy and doesn’t get you closer to an optimal TRT protocol.
Now you starting to see why these private TRT clinics are so desirable? You will be unable to get on with your life unless you do so.
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