hi, its my first time posting on this forum and i am kind of stuck,
I’ve got to a point where i can’t seem to increase my seated dumbbell press.
but its the cleaning of the dumbbells up onto my shoulders that fecks me up.
flicking em up with my knees then trying to burst out of the hole just naffs me up before i can even start the set.
any tips on making that portion of the movement a little easier?
I usually use some pretty heavy DBs for seated presses, and although I don’t particularly care to obsess about continually lifting more and more weight, I do understand how uncomfortable it is getting the weights set.
What I’ve learned to do, is after getting the 'bells positioned on my knees, I actually partially stand up a bit (maybe just a few inches off of the seat), while leaning forward, then as I come back down, use one fluid motion, coupled with the sitting momentum to roll/lift the DBs up into starting position.
Hope I managed to explain that vividly enough.
S
I prefer cleaning them from the ground and sitting in one motion
Stu, you said something that intrigued me. sorry to get off topic here, but you’re advice and feedback is appreciated considering your level of experience and success…you said that you didn’t obsess about continually lifting more and more weight.
is this because you’re not trying to gain muscle mass/weight, or simply because increasing weight lifted is not crucial to making gains, only a byproduct of making gains? i am trying to gain muscle mass and try to lift more weight or increase reps each training session(to a point where it may be considered obsessive). thanks in advance for your feedback. again, sorry to get off topic.
i think i get what you mean stu, i’ll give it a go tomorrow.
thanks for the help guys!
try getting somebody in your gym to help you get them into place
anyone else’s legs cramp up after you kick the dbs into place?
I think I need to foam roll more often
Why don’t you do Barbell Overhead Presses. Most gyms have stations, have smaller incremented weights, and you can always stand instead of sitting. Standing will let you use a power rack to keep the bar at proper height. Same could be done for sitting… but why sit on your arse if you don’t have to?
Just a thought.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Why don’t you do Barbell Overhead Presses. Most gyms have stations, have smaller incremented weights, and you can always stand instead of sitting. Standing will let you use a power rack to keep the bar at proper height. Same could be done for sitting… but why sit on your arse if you don’t have to?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Because this is bodybuilding… If for example, seated smith or seated dbs hit my delts better than other lifts, then those are the exercises that I will do when I am training my delts.
Take your pl dogma to the pl forum.
[quote]Anus Bleach wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Why don’t you do Barbell Overhead Presses. Most gyms have stations, have smaller incremented weights, and you can always stand instead of sitting. Standing will let you use a power rack to keep the bar at proper height. Same could be done for sitting… but why sit on your arse if you don’t have to?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Because this is bodybuilding… If for example, seated smith or seated dbs hit my delts better than other lifts, then those are the exercises that I will do when I am training my delts.
Take your pl dogma to the pl forum.[/quote]
so bodybuilders cant do standing overhead presses?
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Anus Bleach wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Why don’t you do Barbell Overhead Presses. Most gyms have stations, have smaller incremented weights, and you can always stand instead of sitting. Standing will let you use a power rack to keep the bar at proper height. Same could be done for sitting… but why sit on your arse if you don’t have to?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Because this is bodybuilding… If for example, seated smith or seated dbs hit my delts better than other lifts, then those are the exercises that I will do when I am training my delts.
Take your pl dogma to the pl forum.[/quote]
so bodybuilders cant do standing overhead presses?[/quote]
Where da fuck did I say that? I said that you should base your exercise selection on what works best for the the target muscle, if that happens to be standing ohp then by all means do it, odds are it wont be tho.
If “sitting on your arse” results in the most hypertrophy then you should stick to that.
[quote]Anus Bleach wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Anus Bleach wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Why don’t you do Barbell Overhead Presses. Most gyms have stations, have smaller incremented weights, and you can always stand instead of sitting. Standing will let you use a power rack to keep the bar at proper height. Same could be done for sitting… but why sit on your arse if you don’t have to?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Because this is bodybuilding… If for example, seated smith or seated dbs hit my delts better than other lifts, then those are the exercises that I will do when I am training my delts.
Take your pl dogma to the pl forum.[/quote]
so bodybuilders cant do standing overhead presses?[/quote]
Where da fuck did I say that? I said that you should base your exercise selection on what works best for the the target muscle, if that happens to be standing ohp then by all means do it, odds are it wont be tho.
If “sitting on your arse” results in the most hypertrophy then you should stick to that.[/quote]
“Because this is bodybuilding…”
“Take your pl dogma to the pl forum.”
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Anus Bleach wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Anus Bleach wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Why don’t you do Barbell Overhead Presses. Most gyms have stations, have smaller incremented weights, and you can always stand instead of sitting. Standing will let you use a power rack to keep the bar at proper height. Same could be done for sitting… but why sit on your arse if you don’t have to?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Because this is bodybuilding… If for example, seated smith or seated dbs hit my delts better than other lifts, then those are the exercises that I will do when I am training my delts.
Take your pl dogma to the pl forum.[/quote]
so bodybuilders cant do standing overhead presses?[/quote]
Where da fuck did I say that? I said that you should base your exercise selection on what works best for the the target muscle, if that happens to be standing ohp then by all means do it, odds are it wont be tho.
If “sitting on your arse” results in the most hypertrophy then you should stick to that.[/quote]
“Because this is bodybuilding…”
“Take your pl dogma to the pl forum.”[/quote]
I was referring to his “why sit on your arse if you don’t have to” comment. It sounds very similar to a recent thread where people were comparing seated ohp to sitting down to pee.
Not trying to stir any crap, but I offered a solution to his problem. Is standing that vastly different from sitting? I’d say standing is better in that it requires more stability and you control that stability, not sit against a bench that gives a false sense of support.
Also, many of the best bodybuilders started heavy in “powerlifting” and moved to bodybuilding. Standing is also used in Strength lifting (log presses, etc.) and in bodybuilding friend. Don’t resort to silly assumptions that lifts are grouped by interest. They cross borders all the time.
Edit: See “sitting on your arse” comment as light-hearted humor. I hear that is appropriate in a forum full of like-minded individuals. I’ll keep it dry and humorless from now on. People are way too uptight any more.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I usually use some pretty heavy DBs for seated presses, and although I don’t particularly care to obsess about continually lifting more and more weight, I do understand how uncomfortable it is getting the weights set.
What I’ve learned to do, is after getting the 'bells positioned on my knees, I actually partially stand up a bit (maybe just a few inches off of the seat), while leaning forward, then as I come back down, use one fluid motion, coupled with the sitting momentum to roll/lift the DBs up into starting position.
Hope I managed to explain that vividly enough.
S[/quote]
This is what I do on inclines and flat pressing, since cleaning directly would be dangerous as fuck and probably end up with me either falling off the bench or eating dumbbell
but try it on the 90º seated press… really saves alot of energy to get it up in one swift motion from the ground
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Not trying to stir any crap, but I offered a solution to his problem. Is standing that vastly different from sitting? I’d say standing is better in that it requires more stability and you control that stability, not sit against a bench that gives a false sense of support.
.[/quote]
Yes but the point AB is making is if it that stability means his shoulders grow quicker than if he were standing, why would he change his routine if his aim were muscle growth.
I think ‘pl dogma’ was raised because some pl coaches advocate standing overhead presses and this has taken to mean (by only a few) standing and nothing else
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I usually use some pretty heavy DBs for seated presses, and although I don’t particularly care to obsess about continually lifting more and more weight, I do understand how uncomfortable it is getting the weights set.
What I’ve learned to do, is after getting the 'bells positioned on my knees, I actually partially stand up a bit (maybe just a few inches off of the seat), while leaning forward, then as I come back down, use one fluid motion, coupled with the sitting momentum to roll/lift the DBs up into starting position.
Hope I managed to explain that vividly enough.
S[/quote]
This is what I do on inclines and flat pressing, since cleaning directly would be dangerous as fuck and probably end up with me either falling off the bench or eating dumbbell
but try it on the 90Ã?º seated press… really saves alot of energy to get it up in one swift motion from the ground
[/quote]
Granted, I don’t know what kind of weights OP is throwing around on DB OH Press, but anytime you get above 90’s or so it’s gonna get pretty rough getting them up by yourself.
If you insist on sticking with DB pressing for your primary movement, get some power hooks, so you can just hang the DB’s off a bar, unrack them in the overhead position and get to work.
i have had great success with a product called POWER HOOKS. Google it for more info. I never have to fight with the dumbells to get them in position any more!!
What rep range are you using, OP?
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
Stu, you said something that intrigued me. sorry to get off topic here, but you’re advice and feedback is appreciated considering your level of experience and success…you said that you didn’t obsess about continually lifting more and more weight.
is this because you’re not trying to gain muscle mass/weight, or simply because increasing weight lifted is not crucial to making gains, only a byproduct of making gains? i am trying to gain muscle mass and try to lift more weight or increase reps each training session(to a point where it may be considered obsessive). thanks in advance for your feedback. again, sorry to get off topic.[/quote]
You can’t keep getting stronger and stronger indefinitely because the human body will adapt by becoming more efficient at the repeated task (even with additional weight), and you will not reap the size gains you want. I imagine that this is why bodybuilders first started trying to ‘shock’, or ‘confuse’ their muscles.
Personally, as my joints have been pounded upon for year and years, I’ve started using methods where I intentionally try to weaken the muscles without stressing my joints. It’s been years since I started any delt work with a pressing movement. Laterals, Bent Laterals, and either front raises or reverse military presses always precede either seated DB presses, or standing push presses.
All my muscles know, isn’t what #s are printed on the sides of the weights I’m holding, but how f-ing hard they have to work to withstand the beating I’m laying on them. For the record, I can still press to 110’s fairly easily AFTER all the other isolation exercises preceding them. If I did my presses first, I’m sure my joints would be even worse off than they are now -lol.
S