Scientology - WTF?

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[quote]summa wrote:
What religion doesn’t do more harm than good?
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You’re missing the Point. The Corporate Venture that is Scientology isn’t really a religion. They only took that appearance after pressure from various goverment institutions in the States.

ex: FBI and CIA and IRS. They have a very long history with the FBI btw.

And not only that, but Scientology han’t done ANY good. So… what the hell?

We have people here comparing the Catholic Church, Christian Church and (Jewish Church?) to Scientology.

At least the Catholics do ALOT. They donate money to the poor, they run orphanages, they helped survivors after katrina Disaster…

What did Scientology do? Nothing.

And I’m willing to bet with those outragerous membership fees, the various firms & businesses owned in whole & in part by the church, the various charities, movie production firms, they have ALOT more money than the Catholic Church.

But what do they do with it?

Here is an answer: Scientologist Reed Slatkin - largest ponzi scheme in history

“One of Scientology’s ministers and co-founder of Earthlink involved in one of the largest ponzi schemes ever.”

Here is also more Scientology at work:

* Scientology and the IRS
* Scientology Refunds and Payment of back wages Information
* Last chance for your Scientology refunds?
  [August 26, 1998]
* Scientology's Raid on FACTNet
* Scientology's Litigation and Lawsuits
* Scientology vs. National Governments
* Scientology Infiltrating businesses
* Scientology as a Extremist Political Movement
* Scientology and Criminality
* Scientology and Financial Fraud
* Scientology and Medical Fraud
* Scientology and Pseudoscience

Subheadings of indexed items from the following site: http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/dianetics_fraud_criminality.html

Ever hear of the Catholic Church doing anything like this?

The Catholics are like Saints compared to the Scientologists. At least they didn’t commit murder, tax evasion, fraud, extorsion, treason against various states worldwide, medical fraud… and the list goes on and on.

All yuo got to do is just click on one of these sites.

It’s scary how much crap there is surrounding Scientology. And the site I posted is just in the United States!

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

I didn’t say, please read my post, that the church has never done any good. I said, think of how many more people could be helped with all the money they have.

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You would have to take this up with the people that brought lawsuits seeking damages, because that’s where the money went. Do you really believe that the Church wouldn’t rather have used that money for other purposes?

The need to reserve $8.3 billion is more an indictment of the litigious society we live in than it is of the Catholic Church’s use of charitable donations. I don’t disagree that the victims shouldn’t be awarded something. But does $50 million make a former altar boy forget about what was done to him? I bet not.

I took the most offense at your assertion that the money that people donate to the Church is used to buy the Pope material goods. This is so far from the truth and that is what compelled me to respond to your idiocy. You are WAY off the mark here.

The pedophile scandal is a tragedy. I wish it hadn’t happened. But to put blame on the Church for setting aside money to settle lawsuits as opposed to helping others in the world is ridiculous.

DB

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[quote]deputydawg wrote:
October Girl:
You said that “in ancient societies women were equal to men” Then you talk about Ancient Britain where there were tribes where kingship/queenship was determined thru the female line. Descent thru the female line is not the same thing as women being equal to men. I’m asking for a list of the ancient societies where women were equal to men. Are you saying that in Ancient Celtic societies of the British Isles women had equality to men? [/quote]

Yes they did. They were even war chiefs and also taught battle skills to younger children, same as with native american tribes where women were the war council as chidren belong to the house of the mother. I never said it was the norm., but it did happen.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Yes they did. They were even war chiefs and also taught battle skills to younger children, same as with native american tribes where women were the war council as chidren belong to the house of the mother.
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And look what happened to the natives…

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
Then what the fuck were you thinking posting in a thread called “Scientology”

If you have no opinion about it… why bother?

why wouldn’t I post my opinion regarding the freedom of religious choice on the Scientology thread. Get a grip.

Freedom of religios choice? That’s what you call your ranting?

You have done nothing but insult those who actually have faith.

And this isn’t about “freedom of choice”. People can do whatever the hell they want. No one has a gun to their back. (except for the Scientologists).

This is about Scientology. The Original Poster wanted to know what it was all about.

So excuse me if I really don’t give a shit about your mental masturbation here on this thread OctoberGirl.[/quote]

Get over yourself you don’t own the thread and I can read how much you don’t care. You must be so proud of your attempt to chastise me and spend so much time on it.

Reread my original posts. I was asked questions and responded.

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[quote]summa wrote:
BluePfaltz wrote:
Scientology is a dangerous cult. There have been many 60 Minutes reports on it, and even more independent stories of its horror and dementing propaganda.

I have studied Scientology for college, and my research has concluded it does more harm then good.

For more information,

www.operationclambake.com

What religion doesn’t do more harm than good?

[/quote]

Thank you Summa

Organized religion was created to make the poor happy with their lot in life.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
summa wrote:
What religion doesn’t do more harm than good?

You’re missing the Point. The Corporate Venture that is Scientology isn’t really a religion. They only took that appearance after pressure from various goverment institutions in the States.

ex: FBI and CIA and IRS. They have a very long history with the FBI btw.

And not only that, but Scientology han’t done ANY good. So… what the hell?

We have people here comparing the Catholic Church, Christian Church and (Jewish Church?) to Scientology.

At least the Catholics do ALOT. They donate money to the poor, they run orphanages, they helped survivors after katrina Disaster…

What did Scientology do? Nothing.

And I’m willing to bet with those outragerous membership fees, the various firms & businesses owned in whole & in part by the church, the various charities, movie production firms, they have ALOT more money than the Catholic Church.

But what do they do with it?

Here is an answer: Scientologist Reed Slatkin - largest ponzi scheme in history

“One of Scientology’s ministers and co-founder of Earthlink involved in one of the largest ponzi schemes ever.”

Here is also more Scientology at work:

* Scientology and the IRS
* Scientology Refunds and Payment of back wages Information
* Last chance for your Scientology refunds?
  [August 26, 1998]
* Scientology's Raid on FACTNet
* Scientology's Litigation and Lawsuits
* Scientology vs. National Governments
* Scientology Infiltrating businesses
* Scientology as a Extremist Political Movement
* Scientology and Criminality
* Scientology and Financial Fraud
* Scientology and Medical Fraud
* Scientology and Pseudoscience

Subheadings of indexed items from the following site: http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/dianetics_fraud_criminality.html

Ever hear of the Catholic Church doing anything like this?

The Catholics are like Saints compared to the Scientologists. At least they didn’t commit murder, tax evasion, fraud, extorsion, treason against various states worldwide, medical fraud… and the list goes on and on.

All yuo got to do is just click on one of these sites.

It’s scary how much crap there is surrounding Scientology. And the site I posted is just in the United States![/quote]

and you keep thinking people are defending Scientology as opposed to defending a person’s right to freedom of religion of their choice despite your opinion.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
and you keep thinking people are defending Scientology as opposed to defending a person’s right to freedom of religion of their choice despite your opinion.
[/quote]

Maybe its a little late at night here… but that doesn’t make any sense to me.

What do you mean?

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

I didn’t say, please read my post, that the church has never done any good. I said, think of how many more people could be helped with all the money they have.

You would have to take this up with the people that brought lawsuits seeking damages, because that’s where the money went. Do you really believe that the Church wouldn’t rather have used that money for other purposes?

The need to reserve $8.3 billion is more an indictment of the litigious society we live in than it is of the Catholic Church’s use of charitable donations. I don’t disagree that the victims shouldn’t be awarded something. But does $50 million make a former altar boy forget about what was done to him? I bet not.

I took the most offense at your assertion that the money that people donate to the Church is used to buy the Pope material goods. This is so far from the truth and that is what compelled me to respond to your idiocy. You are WAY off the mark here.

The pedophile scandal is a tragedy. I wish it hadn’t happened. But to put blame on the Church for setting aside money to settle lawsuits as opposed to helping others in the world is ridiculous.

DB
[/quote]

I am sorry DB but I don’t know what the church would rather do.

It amazes me that they had 8.3 billion to set aside.

I don’t blame the victims for pursuing the church. I agree it is a tragedy.

Celeste

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
and you keep thinking people are defending Scientology as opposed to defending a person’s right to freedom of religion of their choice despite your opinion.

Maybe its a little late at night here… but that doesn’t make any sense to me.

What do you mean?[/quote]

I’m not defending Scientology. I was defending a person’s right to choose to practice whatever faith most appeals to them.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
julia87 wrote:
In some families Ive seen men head of overseeing finances, women head of overseeing house. Ive seen men head of overseeing the house, women head of overseeing finances. Ive seen both head of both at the same time. That is that.

the table has chairs on both ends, it is teamwork. When you get married you “become one” not become “ruler and slave”
(sorry for the extreme examples of each)

Hmm. Makes sense.

Wierd but most women do not agree with me on these views and most men do, at least the ones I know.

Ok. This I really don’t understand. If most women don’t agree… then what do they agree with?

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Oh, by the way, I didnt mean to offend you in any way by asking for your age, I shouldve PMed you that really-I wasnt trying to insult you, I wouldnt of asked it as politely if I was trying to be a warthead.

And yeah-about women-I am as baffled as you in that.
Ive found that a lot of the ones Ive met in my life arent really open to suggestions any different to what theyve been taught it should be like.

Kinda like how Bride magazines only rarely have a woman on them that has a colorful dress, it always is the dull white dress-just like those dull white diamonds-and when they Do put a different color of wedding dress on the cover of their magazine it is a shade of pastel usually.

im an artist so…im hostile to white sometimes. Im thinking the majority of women like all their whities so, if you gave your wife a diamond or something-dont be doubtful she may not like it bc of me.

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[quote]julia87 wrote:
…im an artist so…im hostile to white sometimes. …[/quote]

Racist. You and your pro-orange agenda…

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Julia87 – Now i’m really embarrassed.

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[quote]Dr Stig wrote:
I know someone who is in the process of infiltrating a religous groups some may consider a cult, not to ‘expose them’ or anything but to brainwash them all with nonsense. He is doing it for a psychology project.

All anything like this is, giving people something to believe in, as life can become unbearable for some without it.
[/quote]

Please update me on this. It sounds hilarious.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I’m not defending Scientology. I was defending a person’s right to choose to practice whatever faith most appeals to them.[/quote]

I think that’s a great value, but Scientology is not a faith.

That’s what I’m arguing. Its evil, it hurts people, and a few sharks at the top who promote it get all the money.

Even the founder of Scientology, Hubbard, stated (indirectly) that he was in it for the money. Its not really a faith, or a religion.

Its a global scam to take advantage of the willing and give them some hope while they drain all they can.

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[quote]julia87 wrote:
And yeah-about women-I am as baffled as you in that.
Ive found that a lot of the ones Ive met in my life arent really open to suggestions any different to what theyve been taught it should be like.[/quote]

Fear of change I guess. They’re comfy, so why bother changing?

[quote]
im an artist so…im hostile to white sometimes.[/quote]

Cool. What medium?

[quote]
if you gave your wife a diamond or something-dont be doubtful she may not like it bc of me.[/quote]

Hell no. The only way any woman of mine getting a diamond is if she’s my Soulmate. And so far… I haven’t had one who could even come close.

Diamonds are expensive. Especially the colored ones.

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[quote]
Oh, by the way, I didnt mean to offend you in any way by asking for your age, I shouldve PMed you that really-I wasnt trying to insult you, I wouldnt of asked it as politely if I was trying to be a warthead.[/quote]

Julia: were you asking deputy or me?

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[quote]deputydawg wrote:
Julia87 – Now i’m really embarrassed. [/quote]

why?

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
julia87 wrote:
And yeah-about women-I am as baffled as you in that.
Ive found that a lot of the ones Ive met in my life arent really open to suggestions any different to what theyve been taught it should be like.

Fear of change I guess. They’re comfy, so why bother changing?

im an artist so…im hostile to white sometimes.

Cool. What medium?

if you gave your wife a diamond or something-dont be doubtful she may not like it bc of me.

Hell no. The only way any woman of mine getting a diamond is if she’s my Soulmate. And so far… I haven’t had one who could even come close.

Diamonds are expensive. Especially the colored ones.[/quote]

Yeah, but, I wish they wouldnt ask about my opinions on everything if they are comfortable with their own already.

Acrylic, I love oil and encaustic but Ive heard and seen how the (oil paint) fumes have paralyzed people later on in life so I just dropped it. Encaustic was fun but I grew tired of the process and all the timing involved.
You have to be fast and wise to do acrylics well so I enjoy the challenge.

But they arent truly colored, the diamonds! Its just like-a slight tint of the color and then the price of it goes up another 500 just because of the little tint you can barely even see. Its ridiculous

Opals are way better.

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[quote]julia87 wrote:
deputydawg wrote:
Julia87 – Now i’m really embarrassed.

why?[/quote]

Because apparently you were asking Bruce his age and I just assumed you were asking me and I blithely rattled on.