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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Back to the money issue, in regards to the pedophile priests, are you aware of how much money the church has at its disposal set aside just to pay off the suits? Horrifying when you think of how many people they aren’t helping with that money. And then they ask for tithes and donations. Why so the Pope can have more designer clothes, remember the new red shoes? Or bigger rings on his fingers?

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I am compelled at this point to jump in and defend my faith here. While I disagree with the way the pedophile issue was handled, I feel very strongly that your misrepresentations of what Catholic donations support needs to be corrected. Before you make ridiculous statements again, I suggest you do some research first. For this reason, I give you the link below so that you can educate yourself on the good that the Catholic Church does in the world.

http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/

This post makes me feel like the Cavemen in the Geico ads.

DB

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

Back to the money issue, in regards to the pedophile priests, are you aware of how much money the church has at its disposal set aside just to pay off the suits? Horrifying when you think of how many people they aren’t helping with that money. And then they ask for tithes and donations. Why so the Pope can have more designer clothes, remember the new red shoes? Or bigger rings on his fingers?

I am compelled at this point to jump in and defend my faith here. While I disagree with the way the pedophile issue was handled, I feel very strongly that your misrepresentations of what Catholic donations support needs to be corrected. Before you make ridiculous statements again, I suggest you do some research first. For this reason, I give you the link below so that you can educate yourself on the good that the Catholic Church does in the world.

http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/

This post makes me feel like the Cavemen in the Geico ads.

DB
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I was raised a Catholic. I don’t go to mass but my family is still involved in the Church.

The money used to pay off the victims of the pederast priests is raised separately from the rest of the money collected in our local diocese.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

Back to the money issue, in regards to the pedophile priests, are you aware of how much money the church has at its disposal set aside just to pay off the suits? Horrifying when you think of how many people they aren’t helping with that money. And then they ask for tithes and donations. Why so the Pope can have more designer clothes, remember the new red shoes? Or bigger rings on his fingers?

I am compelled at this point to jump in and defend my faith here. While I disagree with the way the pedophile issue was handled, I feel very strongly that your misrepresentations of what Catholic donations support needs to be corrected. Before you make ridiculous statements again, I suggest you do some research first. For this reason, I give you the link below so that you can educate yourself on the good that the Catholic Church does in the world.

http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/

This post makes me feel like the Cavemen in the Geico ads.

DB

I was raised a Catholic. I don’t go to mass but my family is still involved in the Church.

The money used to pay off the victims of the pederast priests is raised separately from the rest of the money collected in our local diocese.[/quote]

I totally agree with both of you guys. I’m Catholic. Not the most religious guy in the world. But the Catholic Church does so much good and I just don’t get all the hate. Sure there are bad apples. They have them in every religiion. But on the whole when you look at all the orphanages, hostpitals, schools, food pantries, homes for unwed mothers, etc. etc. They do a lot of good in the world.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:

Doubtful. I actually hope to join the Freemasons one day

I just joined the StoneCutters.[/quote]

Just stay away from the Teamsters. Now, there’s a scary cult.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:

So what you are arguing is that it should be Just as acceptable for Women to be put in the place of power in the relationshi as Men? And not follow the hierarchial structure at all?

For example: Women as heads of the household should be widely accepted as much as a Men being the heads of the household?

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huh you are really sucked into all of that “head” stuff arent you? Want me to go into all the stuff the bible says about the word “head”? I can give you a pretty thorough essay on it. I was a quirky kid (meaning up until 18 lol) and found all that stuff in particular interesting bc saying your the “head” of something is sometimes used for the enforcement of the idea that you think you are above someone else-the opposite gender in this matter-and that is not the case in marriage and when it is it is more likely to have violence. Hierarchial relationships can be avoided I have seen marriages that have been able to “handle it” without thought of what the close-minded will think about it.

In some families Ive seen men head of overseeing finances, women head of overseeing house. Ive seen men head of overseeing the house, women head of overseeing finances. Ive seen both head of both at the same time. That is that.

the table has chairs on both ends, it is teamwork. When you get married you “become one” not become “ruler and slave”
(sorry for the extreme examples of each)

Basically, it is oppression-and you agree with its practice-which smiles probably has to do with how your mother was

Wierd but most women do not agree with me on these views and most men do, at least the ones I know.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
deputydawg wrote:
Julia87 please don’t lump me in with the guys saying that’s they way its always been or that’s what the bible says. The point of my question is that Let’s not pretend there was some sort of great civilization of the past where women had the kind of equality they have today. It ain’t there. But I am all for legal equality. The technological improvements of the last 100 or 200 years is what has led to equality. But history and biology would seem to dictate that heirachies are inevitable. I take it you are a university student. Universities pretend they are democratic and equalitarian but they are quite heirarchical. As are all human endeavors. There is always a boss. Heirarchies always emerge.

Yup. Just like you always have leaders and you have followers. Where you have the dominant person being in charge of another or others.

The only true equality you can have is before the law… and that’s still kind of skewed.
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May I ask how old you are?

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The thing with Freedom of choice is that a choice once made must continue to be available as a freely remade choice dependant on knowledge and context.

Where the consequences of a free choice remove the freedom to re-choose then the process itself is suspect.

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[quote]deputydawg wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
deputydawg wrote:
julia87 wrote:
deputydawg wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
pookie wrote:
You should try reading it some time… The Bible clearly states that a woman is subservient to the man.

Yes. That’s the way it always was. For the past… 20,000 years. Give or take a couple of thousand.

Where is your argument?

Because that is how it was doesn’t mean that it wasn’t discriminating. Don’t you see that?

And in ancient civilizations women were equal to men and in many societies the rulers had to descend from the line of the royal woman. This way they new the child really had the royal bloodline in them.

I’ve digressed again.

Also reading my posts… I really do seem to be defending Scientology. Don’t know why guess I just stick up for the underdog.

Freedom to choose means freedom not to choose also.

Please list all of the ancient civilizations where women were equal to men. I read quite a bit of history and I haven’t encountered one yet. But maybe I have missed one. Descent thru the female line does not necessarily equal equality.

Civilizations evolve by ideaphoria, creativity of thought, new information being discovered and people becoming more knowledgable etc.
There will always be change-and we are all learning by seeing what was successful and what was not.

Julia87 please don’t lump me in with the guys saying that’s they way its always been or that’s what the bible says. The point of my question is that Let’s not pretend there was some sort of great civilization of the past where women had the kind of equality they have today. It ain’t there. But I am all for legal equality. The technological improvements of the last 100 or 200 years is what has led to equality. But history and biology would seem to dictate that heirachies are inevitable. I take it you are a university student. Universities pretend they are democratic and equalitarian but they are quite heirarchical. As are all human endeavors. There is always a boss. Heirarchies always emerge.

I did list the civilizations, that isn’t including the asian countries. Perhaps I have had the benefit of taking a women in history class and you haven’t. I don’t know you so perhaps you have taken the class. There are also polyandry societies… gotta love em although too many men are trouble.

I never said it was the norm. Perhaps that is what you thought I was stating.

Uh. No you didn’t. You listed the societies where the rulers descended thru the female line. Not the same thing as equality between the sexes. But then again Ive never had a “Women’s Studies” class.

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what

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:

I know its the truth but you are focusing only on the negative aspects.[/quote]

boo fucking hoooooooo

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Then what the fuck were you thinking posting in a thread called “Scientology”

If you have no opinion about it… why bother?[/quote]

why wouldn’t I post my opinion regarding the freedom of religious choice on the Scientology thread. Get a grip.

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Yeah. I was assuming from all the negative tones in your posts. My bad.[/quote]

My posts are the flip side of your argument, not negative, just comparative.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

Back to the money issue, in regards to the pedophile priests, are you aware of how much money the church has at its disposal set aside just to pay off the suits? Horrifying when you think of how many people they aren’t helping with that money. And then they ask for tithes and donations. Why so the Pope can have more designer clothes, remember the new red shoes? Or bigger rings on his fingers?

I am compelled at this point to jump in and defend my faith here. While I disagree with the way the pedophile issue was handled, I feel very strongly that your misrepresentations of what Catholic donations support needs to be corrected. Before you make ridiculous statements again, I suggest you do some research first. For this reason, I give you the link below so that you can educate yourself on the good that the Catholic Church does in the world.

http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/

This post makes me feel like the Cavemen in the Geico ads.

DB
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DB I don’t feel my allegations are ridiculous. The Catholic church lost 8.3 BILLION dollars due to the scandal. Do I believe some of the donated money goes to pay for the scandal, yes I do. I also believe there are some funds set up separate from the scandal. But then the money is taken from the general fund to pay off the lawsuits and the donations then fill the general fund.

I read the link. I didn’t say, please read my post, that the church has never done any good. I said, think of how many more people could be helped with all the money they have.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Or the new nazi pope. Sorry… member of the German army.
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Holy Shit!! The Dark Lord of the Sith was a Nazi too?! Talk about evil.

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October Girl:
You said that “in ancient societies women were equal to men” Then you talk about Ancient Britain where there were tribes where kingship/queenship was determined thru the female line. Descent thru the female line is not the same thing as women being equal to men. I’m asking for a list of the ancient societies where women were equal to men. Are you saying that in Ancient Celtic societies of the British Isles women had equality to men?

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[quote]julia87 wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
deputydawg wrote:
Julia87 please don’t lump me in with the guys saying that’s they way its always been or that’s what the bible says. The point of my question is that Let’s not pretend there was some sort of great civilization of the past where women had the kind of equality they have today. It ain’t there. But I am all for legal equality. The technological improvements of the last 100 or 200 years is what has led to equality. But history and biology would seem to dictate that heirachies are inevitable. I take it you are a university student. Universities pretend they are democratic and equalitarian but they are quite heirarchical. As are all human endeavors. There is always a boss. Heirarchies always emerge.

Yup. Just like you always have leaders and you have followers. Where you have the dominant person being in charge of another or others.

The only true equality you can have is before the law… and that’s still kind of skewed.

May I ask how old you are?[/quote]

Sure, I’m 45. An old geezer around this place it appears. But I really enjoy reading the free flow of thoughts. In an environment of anonymity people seem able to be more honest about their opinions. I enjoy reading many of your posts.

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Scientology Orientation Video.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
Then what the fuck were you thinking posting in a thread called “Scientology”

If you have no opinion about it… why bother?

why wouldn’t I post my opinion regarding the freedom of religious choice on the Scientology thread. Get a grip.
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Freedom of religios choice? That’s what you call your ranting?

You have done nothing but insult those who actually have faith.

And this isn’t about “freedom of choice”. People can do whatever the hell they want. No one has a gun to their back. (except for the Scientologists).

This is about Scientology. The Original Poster wanted to know what it was all about.

So excuse me if I really don’t give a shit about your mental masturbation here on this thread OctoberGirl.

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[quote]julia87 wrote:
In some families Ive seen men head of overseeing finances, women head of overseeing house. Ive seen men head of overseeing the house, women head of overseeing finances. Ive seen both head of both at the same time. That is that.

the table has chairs on both ends, it is teamwork. When you get married you “become one” not become “ruler and slave”
(sorry for the extreme examples of each)
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Hmm. Makes sense.

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Wierd but most women do not agree with me on these views and most men do, at least the ones I know. [/quote]

Ok. This I really don’t understand. If most women don’t agree… then what do they agree with?

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Here is a documentary on Scientology.

It’s recording of one of the sessions they have. Recorded by Hidden Camera.

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1243&Itemid=12url

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A collection of videos. Including one with Stephen Colbert.

The only one that doesn’t work is the SouthPark episode.

Enjoy!

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[quote]nrevr wrote:
Scientology Orientation Video.

Wow. Thanks.

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[quote]BluePfaltz wrote:
Scientology is a dangerous cult. There have been many 60 Minutes reports on it, and even more independent stories of its horror and dementing propaganda.

I have studied Scientology for college, and my research has concluded it does more harm then good.

For more information,

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What religion doesn’t do more harm than good?