[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Wow. Shirted bench supporters sure are a sensitive bunch. And thats coming from me.
“This guy benched 1000 pounds!”
“Yeah, but he used a shirt, and those things help a lot…”
“OMG why do you have to belittle him like that you just dont understand you’re just jealous because you’re weak you fatass keyboard warrior how dare you put him down like that!!!11”
What really stands out, to me, is that you guys keep saying things like “Some people dont like bench shirts, thats ok, they have raw federations for that” … But as soon as someone says “I dont like bench shirts”… Suddenly they’re “trying to take a stand” and “angry because it makes their dick feel small” and “show contept for the sport”.
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When people say they don’t like bench shirts and hten insult the guys using them is when the problem starts.
“I don’t like bench shirts, I’d rather train raw.”
“I think bench shirts are stupid and the guys who use them are big liers and could never even come close to doing the weight without them.”
[quote]Hanley wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Wow. Shirted bench supporters sure are a sensitive bunch. And thats coming from me.
“This guy benched 1000 pounds!”
“Yeah, but he used a shirt, and those things help a lot…”
“OMG why do you have to belittle him like that you just dont understand you’re just jealous because you’re weak you fatass keyboard warrior how dare you put him down like that!!!11”
What really stands out, to me, is that you guys keep saying things like “Some people dont like bench shirts, thats ok, they have raw federations for that” … But as soon as someone says “I dont like bench shirts”… Suddenly they’re “trying to take a stand” and “angry because it makes their dick feel small” and “show contept for the sport”.
When people say they don’t like bench shirts and hten insult the guys using them is when the problem starts.
“I don’t like bench shirts, I’d rather train raw.”
“I think bench shirts are stupid and the guys who use them are big liers and could never even come close to doing the weight without them.”
See the difference?
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You believe Kennelly could bench 1036 without a shirt?
hey i’m the new guy. i did not read all the posts about this lift but. i am definetly disapointed with the sport of powerlifting. i used to be a competitive powerlifter and loved the sport. but lately the advancements in gear make it a joke. in a meet sanctioned by the old federations adfpa,uspf this lift would have gotten 3 red lights.
ass never even touched the bench
bench shirt past his elbows(this used to be illegal)
he did not even lock his elbows!!!
why don’t they just start having static hold competitions to see who can support the most weight with their joints.
remember the quest for the 800 lb bench press, between anthony clark and jamie harris? it took years of failed attempts and actual strength advancements. now they introdeced these backless shirts and everyone is pushing up these ridicluos numbers. and the judges are just there for decoration not to make valid judgements.
it is not about strength anymore. it’s just about who has the best gear. i know alot of people will disagree, but sorry guys i’m right.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Hanley wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Wow. Shirted bench supporters sure are a sensitive bunch. And thats coming from me.
“This guy benched 1000 pounds!”
“Yeah, but he used a shirt, and those things help a lot…”
“OMG why do you have to belittle him like that you just dont understand you’re just jealous because you’re weak you fatass keyboard warrior how dare you put him down like that!!!11”
What really stands out, to me, is that you guys keep saying things like “Some people dont like bench shirts, thats ok, they have raw federations for that” … But as soon as someone says “I dont like bench shirts”… Suddenly they’re “trying to take a stand” and “angry because it makes their dick feel small” and “show contept for the sport”.
When people say they don’t like bench shirts and hten insult the guys using them is when the problem starts.
“I don’t like bench shirts, I’d rather train raw.”
“I think bench shirts are stupid and the guys who use them are big liers and could never even come close to doing the weight without them.”
See the difference?
You believe Kennelly could bench 1036 without a shirt?
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Thank you for proving my point with another attempt to discredit him.
No, he couldn’t have. Every jackass knows that.
Does it diminsh what he did do or did he train any less hard to for a shirted 1000+ than he would have a raw 700+?
[quote]Hanley wrote:
You believe Kennelly could bench 1036 without a shirt?
Thank you for proving my point with another attempt to discredit him.
No, he couldn’t have. Every jackass knows that.
Does it diminsh what he did do or did he train any less hard to for a shirted 1000+ than he would have a raw 700+?
Absofuckinglutely not.[/quote]
So… by saying that he couldnt do it without the shirt, I’m “discrediting” him.
You agree that he couldn’t have done it without the shirt. Yet you support him.
I see, I see. Perfect sense.
And the fact that he worked very hard to do this does not make it the same thing as a bench press. If I train very hard to jump very far off of a trampoline, that is not the same as a long jump. Yes, both require skill, hard training, etc. But they are not the same thing.
The same way a bench with equipment that can add anywhere from 100-300 pounds is not the same thing as a bench press.
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
i used to be a competitive powerlifter and loved the sport. but lately the advancements in gear make it a joke.
remember the quest for the 800 lb bench press, between anthony clark and jamie harris? it took years of failed attempts and actual strength advancements. now they introdeced these backless shirts and everyone is pushing up these ridicluos numbers. and the judges are just there for decoration not to make valid judgements.
it is not about strength anymore. it’s just about who has the best gear. i know alot of people will disagree, but sorry guys i’m right.[/quote]
I love how none of the shirt supporters will touch this one since they cant pull the old “YOU DONT COMPETE SO YOU CANT HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THIS!”
Fatty, I agree. I guess some people just cant accept that they’d never beat the record, so they keep pushing the bar back on what is acceptable assistance for the lift(s). Today a shirt can add up to 300 pounds. Maybe next year guys will be getting 400 or 500 pounds out of their gear.
The range of motion the lifter is completely responsible for will ever so slightly decrease till the lifter is literally just making sure the weight doesnt fall foreward or backward while the shirt expands and contracts.
Of course, I’m just talking nonsense now. The same way, I’m sure, as people who said the same things 5 or 10 years ago when people were getting 50-100 pounds out of a shirt. But of course, the bar keeps getting pushed back little by little…
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Yeah, but you can’t really tell because a teeny weeny portion of his ass could still be touching the bench. The video is too far for that discernment.[/quote]
Thats another thing I dont exactly understand…
“Its cool that his shirt allows him to bench a few hundred extra pounds… but if his ass comes up even an inch off the bench, it doesnt count!”
something to ponder. http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records
take a look at the top twenty lists in all the weight categories. look at the dates of the records in the squat bench and deadlift. notice anything. the deadlift has records that were set back in the seventies still standing. and of course the squat and benchpress have records that were set within the last couple of years.
Why do you suppose that is guys? maybe it is because the deadlift is the only lift left that can’t be helped by equipment(not too much any way)you actually have to get stronger to deadlift more weight. not just buy a better suit or shirt. and judging a deadlift is not as subjective as judging squats and benchpress. if the lifter does not complete it everyone knows it, not just the judges that turn a blind eye to accomodate an excited crowd.
Gary Heisey was arguably the first man to deadlift over 900 pounds almost twenty years ago! and we just now broke 1000(andy bolton), and that was an iffy lift in my eyes. you know why the deadlift is all thats left? it’s becuase inzer has not made a leviathan dl suit yet. it is a sad state this sport is in. records aren’t even exciting anymore. this is why geared powerlifting will never be in the olympics.
This is all so irritating. What cannot be understood?
Elite lifters using gear are still stronger in meets than any “non assisted” lifter. So the people complaining about the use of shirts, squat suits etc…, have no leg to stand on because they would smoked either way.
Same goes for the lifter using anabolics. I can smoke any lifter without the juice or gear…so saying that, “so and so uses roids and a bench shirt” is just lame.
If you want to lift raw and no anabolics I support you 100%. But don’t bash the assisted lifter because they are inherently stronger with or without…
if you loved an activity / sport what have you, and saw the essence of it being trashed, would you not be upset as well? how can you take powerlifting seriously anymore? how can lifters honestly say their proud of what their EQUIPMENT can do for them? not their strength.(not you personally, i dont even know you)
i don’t get it.
Being strong should not be about merchandise, but everyone got sucked in because people always take the easyroad when possible. ever wonder why records in olympic lifting last so long and are only broken by .5 kilos at a time. do i even need to say why?
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
if you loved an activity / sport what have you, and saw the essence of it being trashed, would you not be upset as well? how can you take powerlifting seriously anymore? how can lifters honestly say their proud of what their EQUIPMENT can do for them? not their strength.(not you personally, i dont even know you)
i don’t get it.
Being strong should not be about merchandise, but everyone got sucked in because people always take the easyroad when possible. ever wonder why records in olympic lifting last so long and are only broken by .5 kilos at a time. do i even need to say why?[/quote]
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
fattymcfatso wrote:
if you loved an activity / sport what have you, and saw the essence of it being trashed, would you not be upset as well? how can you take powerlifting seriously anymore? how can lifters honestly say their proud of what their EQUIPMENT can do for them? not their strength.(not you personally, i dont even know you)
i don’t get it.
Being strong should not be about merchandise, but everyone got sucked in because people always take the easyroad when possible. ever wonder why records in olympic lifting last so long and are only broken by .5 kilos at a time. do i even need to say why?
Well said. [/quote]
You DON’T love the sport tho. You don’t compete. And from what I’ve seen you’ve no intention of competing. AND you don’t support the sport.
i loved the sport. and you are right i don’t compete anymore. i appreciate genuine strength. i appreciate that there are alot of people that are alot stronger than i could even imagine being, ryan kennely andy bolton, all those elite guys. i don’t appreciate faux records and fake numbers. a 700 pound benchpress is phenominal and that is where man is right now. even if we want to them to be stronger they arent(right now)
about 10 years ago i watched james henderson bench 705 in a t- shirt and a gold watch, that was awesome. i went to the arnlod this year and didn’t even bother wathing the powerlifting comps. i knew there would be big benches and huge squats, but the excitement is gone when it is more difficult for the lifter to lower the bar to their chest than it is to actually do the press. it has to stop somewhere. we need to bring powerlifting back to the basics.
i would love to see powerlifting in the olympics, but the direction the sport is traveling is away from any sort of validity. i know i must sound very critical for someone who dosent compete anymore but that is the whole reason why i don’t compete anymore.
Or you could just set olympic weightlifting records by throwing away the old weight classes and eclare all new records like they did in the 90s.
Don’t kid yourself that olympic lifting is so popular, just because it’s in the olympics. When is the last time you ever saw it on tv? Believe it or not, some people don’t give a crap about the olympics and never will.
What would the olympics do for powerlifting that it can’t do for itself? Or how would it help the sport more? The answer is that it wouldn’t.
No matter what we think here, weight sports are boring to the average fan.
why do you think they show weightlifting at 3 am during the olympics. i know that these arent popular sports. not in the US anyway. but don’t you think that the atheletes who train hard enough to be in the olympics should deserve a chance to compete.
i am not bashing powerlifting i am just not understanding what powerlifting is becoming. i want the sport to be more popular. i want average people to actually know what powerlifting is. this won’t happen until we stop kidding ourselves with these 4 digit benchpresses.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
I know a guy who was at that meet. I have seen a better video of it. It was a good lift of 1036.
If they were fake weights, then they were provided by the “real” killers of Nicole Simpson, probably from the set of the faked moon landing.
As others have pointed out, ass-to-bench contact is hard to call on a front video (unless you see daylight down there).
Yes, he used a brutally-tight, heavily modified bench shirt. So has everyone who has benched over 800 and so has almost everyone who has benched over 600. That’s the deal, Neil.[/quote]
Good post! People should check sources and actually study powerlifting more before they make uneducated responses. I have a question, is Ryan a beast just in the bench or does he have some serious squat and deadlift numbers.
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
why do you think they show weightlifting at 3 am during the olympics. i know that these arent popular sports. not in the US anyway. but don’t you think that the atheletes who train hard enough to be in the olympics should deserve a chance to compete.
i am not bashing powerlifting i am just not understanding what powerlifting is becoming. i want the sport to be more popular. i want average people to actually know what powerlifting is. this won’t happen until we stop kidding ourselves with these 4 digit benchpresses. [/quote]
The fact is that powerlifting has “become” what you dont want. It’s not “becoming”. I agree with you that a raw press to me is far more impressive, and I would love it if everything happened raw. But don’t bash what its become. Scot Mendelson to me may be the bench king, but he didnt bench 1036. So give credit to both men.
Lifters are proud of the carryover they have coaxed from their equipment. I am proud of my geared lifts, so are most competitive lifters I know. If you got into some gear spent the necessary investment of time and effort and trial and error to hit some big numbers, I guarantee you would be “sucked in” as well.
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
if you loved an activity / sport what have you, and saw the essence of it being trashed, would you not be upset as well? how can you take powerlifting seriously anymore? how can lifters honestly say their proud of what their EQUIPMENT can do for them? not their strength.(not you personally, i dont even know you)
i don’t get it.
Being strong should not be about merchandise, but everyone got sucked in because people always take the easyroad when possible. ever wonder why records in olympic lifting last so long and are only broken by .5 kilos at a time. do i even need to say why?[/quote]
