Rulon Gardner on The Biggest Loser

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[quote]MaximusB:
The rate at which people lose weight varies, most respectable trainers and lifters know this.[/quote]
This isn’t what I was saying. I was saying that when people are expected to drop 10lbs+ on a weekly basis, there’s some science (medical) involved in keeping them healthy.

[quote]MaximusB:
Also, I HIGHLY doubt that morbidly obese people are curious about the science of losing weight. Listen to their statements, …“OMG I lost more weight here in a week than I did in months at home!” These are people who didn’t bother to look into the science of losing weight, and with the internet at our disposal, there really is no excuse. They didn’t care about themselves, their health, their body, but you are trying to tell me they are really interested in THE SCIENCE behind it?.. Child please.[/quote]
Where did I say that the contestants are interested in the science? I was referring to the general population of the world. But more importantly, how does this negate the fact that studying, understanding, and employing weightloss techniques is science?

[quote]MaximusB:
My explanation of eating natural food is the Cliff’s Notes version, and it is hard to really argue that, unless you a) have an illness where you have to pay special attention to food even more than normal and/or b) You seek an elite or professional level of achievement where you need to pay more attention to food. Concepts like CCK’s satiating properties from protein and fat consumption, fibrous food consumption leading to a slowing down or gastric emptying and lowered glucose and insulin response. Mother nature has it’s own mechanisms to handle calorie consumption and nutrient uptake.[/quote]
Are you even responding to my posts? Or are you arguing against some invisible opponent? You can overeat on anything. Anything.

What I actually asked you was how Mother Nature’s mechanism was explained already without the need for science? That’s like saying Mother Nature’s mechanism of making everything fall down explains gravity, so no need for Newton and Einstein to try and investigate how it works.

Water intoxication - Wikipedia <~~Drinking too much water
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/ns/us_news-life/ <~~Woman who died from drinking too much

[quote]MaximusB:
Yes, I defy you to try to overeat on natural foods, let me know how far you get. If you eat more than 2 apples or a huge bowl of broccoli in one sitting, I would be shocked.[/quote]
I eat 4 servings of broccoli every night in one sitting. But I’m not trying to overeat. So what does this challenge prove?

[quote]MaximusB:
I hate on the new trainer because any quality trainer would NEVER refer to themselves as “one of the best trainers in the country.” There is something to be said about humility, and I have not heard even one of the authors and trainers here on this site refer to themselves in such a regal manner.[/quote]
^^ Legitimate reason to take issue with the new trainer

[quote]MaximusB:
Also, he mentions that this is all science, not exactly. There is nothing overly scientific about getting someone who is half their weight in fat to drop weight.[/quote]
^^ Bullshit reason to take issue with the new trainer.

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People are not expected to drop 10+ lbs per week, or X number pounds per week. They are expected to drop as many pounds as possible to keep them on the ranch and safe from elimination. Remember, this is a game show.

With 2/3 of the US population being obese, I find it VERY hard to believe that any of them “give a flying fuck” about the science of losing weight. If anything, the advent of science has done shit in people’s health. Notice how our parents and grandparents had a MUCH lower rate of obesity and health issues related to it, yet had LESS science available back then ?

The point which you missed, about mother nature and eating natural foods, was that you should not need or wait for an explanation to reap the benefit of it. Do I really need a study to show me that eating more fruits and veggies will lead to better blood and health profile? Or could I just heed the advice of health professionals and “just do it?” For those who need an explanation and are curious, they can seek and find it on their own. But as previously mentioned, with the large majority of people who are seriously overweight, I doubt people are curious or are “just doing it.”

By the way, I come from a culture where good food is paramount, yet I have never NEVER heard of anyone ever ask why they should be eating that way. Not even my 96 year old grandmother.

Can you provide any statistics as to how many deaths are from drinking too much water? Not from cancer, heart disease, or diabetes. This ought to be rich by the way.

As far as the link you posted, about the woman who died holding her urine to win a Wii, please take into account human fucking stupidity. You mention one, ONE person, a single being, and think that proves your point? With a country population of 310 million? Christ !

4 servings of broccoli is 2 cups worth. Why don’t you eat more? Feeling full maybe? By the way, you are eating roughly 62 calories, you lardy.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
People are not expected to drop 10+ lbs per week, or X number pounds per week. They are expected to drop as many pounds as possible to keep them on the ranch and safe from elimination. Remember, this is a game show.[/quote]
Irrelevant. They’re losing, on a weekly basis, more than what is considered to be a safe amount.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
With 2/3 of the US population being obese, I find it VERY hard to believe that any of them “give a flying fuck” about the science of losing weight. If anything, the advent of science has done shit in people’s health. Notice how our parents and grandparents had a MUCH lower rate of obesity and health issues related to it, yet had LESS science available back then ?[/quote]
Still irrelevant. The studying, understanding, and employing of knowledge in the realm of weightloss still stands as science regardless of whom does or does not give a rat’s ass.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The point which you missed, about mother nature and eating natural foods, was that you should not need or wait for an explanation to reap the benefit of it. Do I really need a study to show me that eating more fruits and veggies will lead to better blood and health profile? Or could I just heed the advice of health professionals and “just do it?”[/quote]
Where did the “health professionals” get the knowledge to tell you that eating more fruits and veggies will lead to better blood and health profile? Oh, right–scienctific investigation into the effects of various fruits and vegetables on the human body.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
By the way, I come from a culture where good food is paramount, yet I have never NEVER heard of anyone ever ask why they should be eating that way. Not even my 96 year old grandmother.[/quote]
And? So? Irrelevant.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Can you provide any statistics as to how many deaths are from drinking too much water? Not from cancer, heart disease, or diabetes. This ought to be rich by the way.

As far as the link you posted, about the woman who died holding her urine to win a Wii, please take into account human fucking stupidity. You mention one, ONE person, a single being, and think that proves your point? With a country population of 310 million? Christ ![/quote]
So let me get this straight.

1.) I inform you that you can die from drinking too much water.
2.) You ridicule me about the validity of such a claim.
3.) I provide you a link to a definition of the phenomenon and a link to a story about a person whom died from it.
4.) You ask for statistics about yearly deaths and ridicule humanity for being that stupid instead of conceding that the phenomenon actually exists and that people have died from it.

Okay, got it. I see no need to give you a statistical value. The mere fact that the phenomenon exists proves my point and nullifies yours. And I have a feeling that if I did take the time to research the statistics, you would come up with some other form of ridicule in a half-assed, non-sensical response.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
4 servings of broccoli is 2 cups worth. Why don’t you eat more? Feeling full maybe? By the way, you are eating roughly 62 calories, you lardy.[/quote]
I should have clarified that 4 servings, according to brand’s nutrition data, is about 100 calories worth of broccoli. It doesn’t make me full, but the reason I don’t eat more is because that’s all that’s in one bag. I tend to make it simple. One bag a night.

Look, Mr. Meridius, I’m not sure if you are even on point here anymore, so let me swing the argument back around to the original premise.

There is a science to weightloss. It may be simple science. It may be complex science. But it exists, none the less.

Ridiculing the new trainer because he acknowledged this fact made you appear to be a bit of a douchebag. Continuing to argue making irrelevant points and not acknowledging flaws in your knowledge base is quickly making you look like a complete ass…and I’ve been there before.

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Dude, do you live under a rock? Seriously? When you feel the need to require scientific proof over common sense, please don’t leave your house. When you get a chance, please find statistics on looking both ways before you cross the street, the lethality of driving the wrong way, and the effectiveness of squatting on a Bosu Ball.

When you are exercising 6-8 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, you could almost each stir-fried shit and still lose weight.

You know you’re right about fruits and veggies. Because human fucking development didn’t thrive until a scientific study came out. How dare our forefathers scratch their beards and use their instincts to see what we (unfortunately because of people like you) already know, and require a fucking study to prove that eating biological food is ideal for our biological bodies. We are basically cavemen wearing suits these days, but a guy like you needs a study to understand that.

Your claim about the dangers of drinking too much water should not be worth mentioning. How many people do you know, have you heard about in the media, have died from such a situation? Should we now limit people from drinking water, because you might drink too much of it? When most people are addicted to soda, coffee, or alcohol and hardly drink water as it is? Really? Dude, smell what you’re shoveling, because fat people are at risk of drinking too much water? Christ man, that is the funniest thing I have heard today, but today isn’t over yet, so I am sure you will surpass yourself.

You do realize that there is a self-serve area in the vegetable section, where you can add more or less broccoli, or heaven forbid, you get a second bag of it? I apologize for my under count of calories from broccoli, because 40 extra calories means you “fell off the fucking wagon.”

This trainer refers to himself as pre-med, what does that even mean? Did he attend med school? Did he finish? Is he a physician? The only medical professional on that show is Dr. Huizenga, and it should be left at that. I would question any self-proclaimed expert who has morbidly obese people, even super morbidly obese people doing box jumps.

I have seen and been through a bunch more shit than you would ever imagine, and I am humble enough to not claim to be any kind of guru. But my bullshit detector is on 24/7, and with this tool, it’s ringing like a mother fucker.

PS - the complexity of science behind people this fat to lose weight is more likely based on the intelligence of the individual trying to understand it. If you still question what “stop eating drive-thru crap” means, you have officially eaten your brain. Is it simple? Yes. Is it easy? No.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Dude, do you live under a rock? Seriously? When you feel the need to require scientific proof over common sense, please don’t leave your house. When you get a chance, please find statistics on looking both ways before you cross the street, the lethality of driving the wrong way, and the effectiveness of squatting on a Bosu Ball.[/quote]
Why? How does looking up statistics help your case? Water intoxification is a real phenomenon. Therefore, your statement about it being impossible to overeat on natural wholesome foods is null.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
When you are exercising 6-8 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, you could almost each stir-fried shit and still lose weight.[/quote]
The cop twins both gained 9 lbs in a week despite doing what you stated above. Granted, it’s obvious that they tried to gain on purpose, but care to explain how this fits in your skewed model of “common sense”? They did all the work, afterall.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You know you’re right about fruits and veggies. Because human fucking development didn’t thrive until a scientific study came out. How dare our forefathers scratch their beards and use their instincts to see what we (unfortunately because of people like you) already know, and require a fucking study to prove that eating biological food is ideal for our biological bodies. We are basically cavemen wearing suits these days, but a guy like you needs a study to understand that.[/quote]
I don’t get this “people like me” and “guy like me” shit you’re slinging around. In fact, I don’t know what the point of that entire last paragraph was.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Your claim about the dangers of drinking too much water should not be worth mentioning. How many people do you know, have you heard about in the media, have died from such a situation? Should we now limit people from drinking water, because you might drink too much of it? When most people are addicted to soda, coffee, or alcohol and hardly drink water as it is? Really? Dude, smell what you’re shoveling, because fat people are at risk of drinking too much water? Christ man, that is the funniest thing I have heard today, but today isn’t over yet, so I am sure you will surpass yourself.[/quote]
This is actually becoming irritating at this point. You basically stated that you CAN’T overdo it when it comes to “natural wholesome foods.” I said you can die from drinking too much water to point out the flaw in your logic. You tried to call bullshit (unsuccessfully) and when your shit was handed back to you you changed the argument all together. This last paragraph is nothing more than an extension of that.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You do realize that there is a self-serve area in the vegetable section, where you can add more or less broccoli, or heaven forbid, you get a second bag of it? I apologize for my under count of calories from broccoli, because 40 extra calories means you “fell off the fucking wagon.”[/quote]
I’m aware I could always eat more if I wanted. Is 4 servings of broccoli not enough? What does me eating more broccoli contribute to your argument?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This trainer refers to himself as pre-med, what does that even mean? Did he attend med school? Did he finish? Is he a physician? The only medical professional on that show is Dr. Huizenga, and it should be left at that. I would question any self-proclaimed expert who has morbidly obese people, even super morbidly obese people doing box jumps.[/quote]
Look up “pre-med” on Google if you’re so interested in what it means. Otherwise, STFU already.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I have seen and been through a bunch more shit than you would ever imagine, and I am humble enough to not claim to be any kind of guru. But my bullshit detector is on 24/7, and with this tool, it’s ringing like a mother fucker.[/quote]
You don’t know me. So don’t act like you do. Right now, it’s you, not the trainer, that’s coming off as a tool. You’re obviously not humble enough to admit when you’re wrong. Believe me, you’ve had ample opportunities in this exchange thus far.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
PS - the complexity of science behind people this fat to lose weight is more likely based on the intelligence of the individual trying to understand it. If you still question what “stop eating drive-thru crap” means, you have officially eaten your brain. Is it simple? Yes. Is it easy? No.[/quote]
The process of learning is usually the same no matter what the subject is. First you’re told what is currently thought to be correct by a person or people. Then the more experience you have with it, the more you can test it for yourself, and finally you can decide if you agree or disagree. But you’re not born with the knowledge of the world. You didn’t come out of your momma’s vagina knowing that 1 gram of protein per lb of lean mass is ideal. Or did you?

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The Australian series starts this Sunday, this is one of the new trainers:

she’s awesome.

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Water intoxification is null in this country, and most likely the rest of the world. I do not entertain winning the lottery because some people I never knew have won it. Come back to the light dude.

The cop twins carb loaded and pounded water, they intentionally gained weight. 1 gallon of water weighs almost 9 lbs, probably not too hard to do if you tried. You are new to this website and apparently the show, listen more speak less.

I might die from drinking too much water, on the same day I get struck by lightning while driving to buy my winning lottery ticket. Fucking awesome. Stop wasting my time with this worthless argument.

The first entry when Googling “pre-med” is from Wikipedia, take a look, I have seen simpler explanations when launching the shuttle…

The process of learning in which you describe holds true, for those who actually apply it. Why do people continue to eat shit food, when they know it is not healthy and is counterproductive towards physique/health/fitness goals? Why do people drink and drive, when they know they could harm someone or themselves? People like you will always find an excuse. Always blame someone else…“Ohhhh I didn’t know that eating an entire pizza was bad for me! I need a study to verify such findings!” Dude, take some fucking responsibility and realize the decisions and actions you choose have positive and negative consequences. If you have a cheat meal, you know you are cheating. Stop justifying it and just enjoy it as a cheat meal, and get back on track. Again, you will continue to want more studies, and more studies, which only paralyzes you from actually doing anything with this knowledge. Sometimes you just need to STFU and do it.

Now …bring more of your bullshit.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Water intoxification is null in this country, and most likely the rest of the world. I do not entertain winning the lottery because some people I never knew have won it. Come back to the light dude. [/quote]
Oh, ffs, the statistical likelihood of it happening has no bearing on the fact that it exists. It has happened. It will happen again. Therefore your point is null.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The cop twins carb loaded and pounded water, they intentionally gained weight. 1 gallon of water weighs almost 9 lbs, probably not too hard to do if you tried. You are new to this website and apparently the show, listen more speak less.[/quote]
So what you said earlier about them being able to practically eat stir fried food and still lose weight if they worked out 5-6 days a week for 6-8 hours is now suddenly abandoned? Okay, I’m good with that. I didn’t believe it to begin with. You know what people often say on this site? “You can’t out train a crap diet.” I’ve at least been here long enough to learn that.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I might die from drinking too much water, on the same day I get struck by lightning while driving to buy my winning lottery ticket. Fucking awesome. Stop wasting my time with this worthless argument.[/quote]
You’re dragging the argument more than I am. It would’ve been over if you’d simply acknowledged that you indeed can overdo anything. Instead you have to prattle on with a bunch of poorly-spun bullshit to justify your fallacious assertion while I continue (and continue, and continue) to clarify.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The first entry when Googling “pre-med” is from Wikipedia, take a look, I have seen simpler explanations when launching the shuttle…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-medical[/quote]
Your difficulty of comprehension doesn’t invalidate the designation. He probably claimed pre-med because he’s pre-med. It’s your problem if you can’t understand it.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The process of learning in which you describe holds true, for those who actually apply it.[/quote]
No, sorry, the process of learning applies to everybody regardless of their level of application. Unless, of course, you can name an instance of learning that doesn’t follow this pattern.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Why do people continue to eat shit food, when they know it is not healthy and is counterproductive towards physique/health/fitness goals? Why do people drink and drive, when they know they could harm someone or themselves?[/quote]
I don’t know. My brother is the psychologist–not me. Perhaps you should direct that question towards somebody that can answer it instead of firing it half-heartedly at someone without that kind of education. Oh, but you probably weren’t actually looking for an answer because you already used your common sense to come up with it.

[quote[MaximusB wrote:
People like you will always find an excuse. Always blame someone else…“Ohhhh I didn’t know that eating an entire pizza was bad for me! I need a study to verify such findings!” Dude, take some fucking responsibility and realize the decisions and actions you choose have positive and negative consequences. If you have a cheat meal, you know you are cheating. Stop justifying it and just enjoy it as a cheat meal, and get back on track.[/quote]
Again, you talk to me like you think you know me. You don’t know me, asshole. Stop acting like you do.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Now …bring more of your bullshit.[/quote]
You know what, after all this, I think I’m done. You win. Be sure to tell all of the Dr.'s that write articles for this site (Dr. Lowry et al) they’re wasting their time doing studies on various supplementation and methods of fat loss. Apparently it’s all just common sense and not worthy of their time and education.

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^^shut up you big ass baby.

You’ve basically ruined this thread over pointless bullshit semantics and turned it into an e-pissing contest. Congrats. Even if you did “win” this argument that’s still not going to make you cool in real life.

Just drop it

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And THAT, dear friends, is why the PWI forum is in the state it is.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^shut up you big ass baby.

You’ve basically ruined this thread over pointless bullshit semantics and turned it into an e-pissing contest. Congrats. Even if you did “win” this argument that’s still not going to make you cool in real life.

Just drop it[/quote]
…it was already over, tough guy.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^shut up you big ass baby.

You’ve basically ruined this thread over pointless bullshit semantics and turned it into an e-pissing contest. Congrats. Even if you did “win” this argument that’s still not going to make you cool in real life.

Just drop it[/quote]

When I didn’t hear from him, I wondered if he drank too much water and died…

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
^^shut up you big ass baby.

You’ve basically ruined this thread over pointless bullshit semantics and turned it into an e-pissing contest. Congrats. Even if you did “win” this argument that’s still not going to make you cool in real life.

Just drop it[/quote]

When I didn’t hear from him, I wondered if he drank too much water and died…[/quote]

lol

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Shit kick,

When you come to this website, bitching about people dying from drinking too much water, you give me a double face-palm with a double eye roll, and neck twist. Because that is not the reality, especially on the show the Biggest Loser. When you are half your weight in fat, science is not required. When you get lean and want to lean out more, then I would say yes science is needed. But that is NOWHERE where these people are. You have people 400+, even 500+ lbs, that live on drive-thru and take-out food, but need a study to know that shit is bad for you? Please let me forward you a Youtube video on how to tie your shoes, because I doubt you could figure that shit out on your own.

If you come here thinking that all of us need a study to know that that shit is both not healthy and not ideal for physique goals, then please spend ALL of your time in the Beginners Forum, because that is where you belong. You have no concept of reality or common sense.

You took an entire shit on this thread, and I am actually mad at myself for entertaining this e-penis waving going on here. I am beside myself, that someone needs a fucking study to know what to eat and what not to, on the level of obesity of the Biggest Loser.

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sooooooo anyways

Has anyone else watched the series “HEAVY” on A&E? Holey Moley.

But that place where they go is amazing! GORGEOUS! Also on the show you can really see where some of the family just enables those folks to get to where they are. One family welcomed the guy home talking about the great food they would have for him. This to a 400lb man. So sad.

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u mad?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

sooooooo anyways

Has anyone else watched the series “HEAVY” on A&E? Holey Moley.

But that place where they go is amazing! GORGEOUS! Also on the show you can really see where some of the family just enables those folks to get to where they are. One family welcomed the guy home talking about the great food they would have for him. This to a 400lb man. So sad.

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Yes, that show was pretty good, and the dude trainer was fackin’ hyuuge!

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[quote]inkaddict wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

sooooooo anyways

Has anyone else watched the series “HEAVY” on A&E? Holey Moley.

But that place where they go is amazing! GORGEOUS! Also on the show you can really see where some of the family just enables those folks to get to where they are. One family welcomed the guy home talking about the great food they would have for him. This to a 400lb man. So sad.

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Yes, that show was pretty good, and the dude trainer was fackin’ hyuuge![/quote]

I do like when they have him working in the pool with no shirt on. They should play those scenes over and over.

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I know this season doesnt have anything to do with Rulon but I didnt want to start a whole new thread…

Does anyone still watch this show? I have it on DVR and watch the episodes so that I can fast forward through them… some pretty great transformations on this show.

Aaaaaaanyway… when the contestants first went into the gym it was all new equipment and when I was looking at it I was thinking “hey! Waaaaaaaaaaait a minute here…” and then they said “The whole new gym is brought to you by our new sponsors… PLANET FITNESS”

Then during the next commercial break they show that PF commercial thats been posted on this site a million times where the stereotypical “bodybuilder” is in the gym and the guy kicks him out the back door" I couldnt believe it. I think I’ll stop watching this show now.

Anyone else see that crap?