[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
lol last I checked I wasn’t in that boat that you beat! Haha when I was in the top 8 we placed 8th at the Head of the Charles.
I know the Scottish Oly team keeps it at about a 37, same with China. Both go up to like a 45 for the last 500 though and at the start for that matter.[/quote]
Well the boat came from your club therefore it is apart of you haha. Congrats on top 8 finish at the charles. I know the “oarsome foursome” used to race regularly around a 40 and most of the lightweight boats do as well.
I have the Rowing and Sculling DVD which bases its training footage on the GB Men LW 4- and Wms HW 4x of which the latter is simply awesome.
In a few weeks I am going to Allan Whitwell Sculling School in France for a week (http://www.imhotek.net/rowcoach/). Costing me £500 incl flights, full board and coaching. Luckily I got the last place. Should be pretty good as he has coached Oly crews.
Well echelon let us know how that goes. I’m looking for a sculling camp around here once I get the money for my partner and I to go to. We will be racing a double possibly lightweight (I’m 175 he’s 200) I could defintiely make 160 after losing water weight/finish my cut. He definitely would have a harder time even though in high school he rowed lightweight as well.
Found a funny video, listen with the volume the coach’s comments are hilarious.
Also what is everyone’s favorite boat to row? class and maker.
Most of us do tabata style doing intervals of 500 meters at a certain split time. It’s a bit more relevant to the sport of rowing for us.
Like I said on the first page, give 12x500 with 90 second rest between each a try and holding a split of 1:30-1:35 for all and you’ll not be a happy camper, even if you are a rower that’s a bitch.
but tabata is a prescribed protocol, not a general word for interval training.
and i think developing ability in this protocol is a great way to gain overall fitness (for rowers too, but esp non-rowers that use it mostly as a way to perform and measure work).
Eh to me an interval is an interval. Just because a 20 second interval followed by 10 seconds of rest is supposed to be “tabata” doesn’t make it not an interval. That being said it doesn’t train the right energy systems for rowers that compete. It may be helpful once in a blue moon for the competitive rower. That being said it is definitely good stuff for non-rowers even if you most of you butcher how proper rowing is supposed to look.
20s intervals only really activate the “strength aspect” of rowing which is basically the start but even the start of race is normally about 60s.
On the erg rowers aren’t looking to get stronger, got weights for that. On the erg looking at maximum; the level in the race. Even then it would be preferable to race level on the water, expect for 2k tests even then it is preferable to seat race(although never is enough time).
The shortest piece I have done on the erg was 250m as part of 10x300m/45rest + 15x250m/30rest.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Eh to me an interval is an interval. Just because a 20 second interval followed by 10 seconds of rest is supposed to be “tabata” doesn’t make it not an interval. That being said it doesn’t train the right energy systems for rowers that compete. [/quote]
Obviously you are not familiar with the results of Tabata’s research. The “Tabata protocol” (20 sec. work/
10 sec. rest x 8) improved BOTH anaerobic capacity and aerobic capacity, more than steady state endurance training.
[quote]TNT-CDN wrote:
LiquidMercury wrote:
Eh to me an interval is an interval. Just because a 20 second interval followed by 10 seconds of rest is supposed to be “tabata” doesn’t make it not an interval. That being said it doesn’t train the right energy systems for rowers that compete.
Obviously you are not familiar with the results of Tabata’s research. The “Tabata protocol” (20 sec. work/
10 sec. rest x 8) improved BOTH anaerobic capacity and aerobic capacity, more than steady state endurance training.
TNT
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If tabata is so great, I wonder why no national team program does it? Why all national teams put the foundation around steady state rowing. That’s right, because steady state rowing (utilization II and I or CAT VI depending what scale you’re using) is going to allow for a much higher peak and faster results in the end. Tabata will increase anaerobic and aerobic much faster for those in the untrained but well we’re not exactly talkin about the untrained in this thread.
Tabata is not the most efficient training tool for those interested in the purpose of rowing competitively (which this thread got hijacked by ultimately, mainly myself and echelon). So everything I am speaking of is for the trained person, yes I know Tabata’s results for those who don’t do a particular sport.
Echelon: We’re just savin it for the finals baby. Gonna take the gold from the outside lane. Side note we did pretty well in the mens 2-. Womens 8+ did pretty well I’d say.
I completely agree with your Tabata response. If it did work then I am sure Spracklen, Nolte, Grobler et al would do it but they don’t.
I am sure the method would work fine for fat loss etc but for endurance and aerobic capacity for rowing not so much.
The rowing machine is a perfect tool for warming up for squating or doing back work providing you utilise correct technqiue.
This is the best video on youtube for general technique:
and this one is pretty good too:
Not using the erg correctly will:
A) Injure you like no other cardio equipment can.
B) Will mean you will be “pissing in the wind” so to speak, ie you’ll get nothing out of it.
C) You will look like an idiot (like this guy Funniest Rowing Technique on the Erg - YouTube)
@LM
I am sure we can get away with it if we give advice. Yeah, sure just saving up. I was really surprised to find out that the US didn’t do the World Cup circuit this year, never occured to me they weren’t there. The Iraq double was winning in their Rep till the 500m mark…
Yah I’m glad Iraq went. It was something that country definitely needed. In regards to to the US not competing on the world circuit this year that was because Teti was sick of all the hype around the boat and whether or not there would be a repeat. I’m kind of skeptical because he took out the entire engine of the boat and has 2 returning from the 04 even though 4 of the guys won their seat races and what not at trials. Doesn’t make sense to me.
Also one injury you forgot is stress fractures in your ribs as well as intercostal muscle pulls.
And if you don’t know proper technique you fuck up the erg for people that actually know what they are doing. Like my little brother decided to use mine while I was away for a few months and it is now fucked up. I’m not a happy camper.
Haha it was a good sprint for sure. I’m kind of irritated with the men’s 8+, I mean we had a miserably slow start and the Canadians looked awful even though they won. They basically just hauled on the oar with little grace it would seem but hey, they still won so I guess whatever gets the job done.
