Rousey vs Mayweather in MMA Fight

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

True, but what makes anyone think then that he could figure out how to defend getting clinched on the spot in a MMA fight? His entire life he has never had to learn to avoid or defend against the clinch because his sport has desensitized him of the notion that clinching is a dangerous position. It takes many intensive hours of training to learn clinch defense and takedown defense, yet people think purely because he’s a good boxer and has fast hands that this means he’ll just magically be able to pull solid clinch defense out of a hat and be able to override his boxing conditioning (his habits, not his cardio).
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And what makes anyone think that Rhonda could figure out how to defend herself from getting KOed when in her entire life she never had to learn how to avoid or defend against a man of Floyd’s ability (or probably a man in general) when it comes to punching? In fact, what brief training she does have when it comes to punch defense is based on having a woman as an opponent. Does she have male sparring partners going at her 100%?

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:
again boxing, you see boxing is different than grappling and mma, I know it all looks the same to you or like they’re just hugging each other but I assure you it’s a real thing[/quote]
And grappling is also just as different from mma.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Not bitter, but sweet:
Grapplers beat boxers who don’t know shit about grappling
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Male grapplers.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

True, but what makes anyone think then that he could figure out how to defend getting clinched on the spot in a MMA fight? His entire life he has never had to learn to avoid or defend against the clinch because his sport has desensitized him of the notion that clinching is a dangerous position. It takes many intensive hours of training to learn clinch defense and takedown defense, yet people think purely because he’s a good boxer and has fast hands that this means he’ll just magically be able to pull solid clinch defense out of a hat and be able to override his boxing conditioning (his habits, not his cardio).
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And what makes anyone think that Rhonda could figure out how to defend herself from getting KOed when in her entire life she never had to learn how to avoid or defend against a man of Floyd’s ability (or probably a man in general) when it comes to punching? In fact, what brief training she does have when it comes to punch defense is based on having a woman as an opponent. Does she have male sparring partners going at her 100%? [/quote]

She has at least had people (most likely men and women) try to punch her before, Floyd has absolutely zero experience having people try to take him down and submit him. So I’d give her better odds than him. Plus like I said, if she is smart she can use her longer legs to his arms to kick him in his lead leg while staying completely safe from his faster hands.

I know you are stuck on the whole “Y chromosome” thing, but you really are starting to sound like a broken record.

Face it, stylistically Ronda is a bad match-up for Floyd. The fact that Floyd has superior athleticism (what plumbing Ronda’s got between her legs is irrelevant) is the only reason that Floyd stands any chance of victory. If we were talking about him facing someone of similar athletic gifts (Jose Aldo for example) it would be a done deal that Floyd would get his ass (or more accurately legs) kicked. In fact, I would go as far as to say that Floyd just has a poor “style” of boxing for MMA. He’s not a devastating puncher and he uses a lot of shoulder rolling style defense which works great for boxing, but puts you in serious danger against a good grappler or kicker.

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Man you are clearly retarded, so basically FM is a beast at MMA too, just based off of his boxing, forget all that submission,wrestling,judo,GNP bullshit, all u need in mma to be great is good boxing. Thanks for clearing that up, no wonder Jon Jones and Cain Vesasquez are so shit, fucking newb wrestlers with minimal boxing skills.

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My video didnt show, go to utube and type in Ronda Rousey vs Uriah Hall. Watch that before talking shit, you guys clearly have never grappled at a high level.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:
again boxing, you see boxing is different than grappling and mma, I know it all looks the same to you or like they’re just hugging each other but I assure you it’s a real thing[/quote]
And grappling is also just as different from mma. [/quote]

But Ronda does MMA and Floyd doesn’t. So, what’s your point?

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[quote]Charged wrote:
My video didnt show, go to utube and type in Ronda Rousey vs Uriah Hall. Watch that before talking shit, you guys clearly have never grappled at a high level.[/quote]

But…but…but…testicles…boxing…chin…

To be fair, that was a grappling match with no striking involved, which is different than MMA. But, yeah, if she gets in Floyd is going down hard and getting tapped quick.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
if she gets in [/quote]

If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If

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[quote]Charged wrote:
My video didnt show, go to utube and type in Ronda Rousey vs Uriah Hall. Watch that before talking shit, you guys clearly have never grappled at a high level.[/quote]
Yes, Rousey showed great punch defense there…oh wait.

And it’s clear you’ve never experienced striking at a high level.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
if she gets in [/quote]

If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If

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Read the thread dude, or better yet, show me a boxing match where Floyd was able to prevent his opponent from ever getting him in a clinch. I’m waiting to see one, but so far from every fight of his I’ve re watched, he winds up in clinches all the time.

At this point I’d say it would be more accurate to safe “IF Floyd can catch Roussey coming in with a power punch on the button, then he has a chance of winning”, not the other way around.

And yes, I realize that I misspoke and have been referring to things the other way around.

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Horses for courses.
A lamborghini is fuck all good in a boat race.

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[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
Horses for courses.
A lamborghini is fuck all good in a boat race.

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Exactly.

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[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
Horses for courses.
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Very much so.

A lamborghini is good for two things.

1.) Driving to A-list social events to make it known you have stupid money.

2.) Making folks who drive vintage Jaguars feel like they have well engineered and reliable autos.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Don’t you think he didn’t want to get into that close range against Hatton? Knowing that Hatton had a shorter reach and likes to pound the body? Yet he got clinched 13 times in the first round. And that was dealing with strikes that he is used to seeing and defending.
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Sentoguy,

I am on the same page for the most part, but I think you are reading too much into him getting clinched often.

I agree with you that it can be frustratingly easy for someone you are punching the absolute hell out of to manage to muckle on to you and smother punches. I think this is an absolute threat to anyone trying to hit.

My issue with the above is I think Floyd is happy to get clinched much of the time. The only possible part of his game that some might say is lacking is his “inside” work. He avoids any kind of “tit for tat” exchanges if he can and instead does a lot of work with jabs and straights. He uses hooks somewhat sparingly, and often cuts an angle out after landing. I think that he is pretty damn content to clinch, tie someone up, and get reset at a distance where his footwork and timing make world beaters look like journeymen. This was especially true of his dismantling of Hatton. If clinching with Ricky would not have been to his advantage I hold that it would have happened far, far less often. I take the 13 clinches in the first round as part of his gameplan.

Using that fight (about 19:00) in the video

Floyd is trying to work as Hatton comes in, but multiple times he slips and initiates a clinch or tie up. I think this is smart, because standing close to a trained up Ricky Hatton is worse for your liver than a booze, tattoo, and unprotected sex binge with Pamela Anderson. Also fuck Larry Merchant.

Now lets look at the last round.

After Hatton is dropped with the hook while he comes in (love watching Floyd work) Mayweather starts using his forearms to hold structure/distance when Ricky is trying to clinch/hug. In fact, he may have risked SHIELD trademark infringement with one of your coaches. I am not at all saying that he could do the same to negate a skilled/fresh grappler from tying up with him, but I think he clinches so often for the same reason he does everything else in the ring, tactical benefit.

In conclusion, I can’t stand Larry Merchant.

Regards,

Robert A

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I would say that Hatton initiated most of those clinches and even if Mayweather holds structure with his forearms like he did a few times there at the end, they are still technically in a clinch. Ronda would pummel through that and into a throw so quick it would make Floyd’s head spin.

And even if he was clinching on purpose to protect himself from Hatton’s inside punching skills (again though, I’ve yet to see any fights where he didn’t wind up in a clinch), that still shows that it anything but impossible to consistently get close enough to Floyd to initiate a clinch without getting KO’d in the process.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I would say that Hatton initiated most of those clinches
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I didn’t compile any stats, or even count the total number. I am comfortable with “many”. I am not sure about “most”. Also, gameplan wise I don’t think Ricky wanted to hug/tie up so much as lean and bang. Setting up a hook or uppercut with a bump is/was a big part of his game, so Hatton’s attemps to outright wrap up Mayweather make me think he was being led out of “his fight” and into something else.

I agree absolutely.

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And even if he was clinching on purpose to protect himself from Hatton’s inside punching skills (again though, I’ve yet to see any fights where he didn’t wind up in a clinch), that still shows that it anything but impossible to consistently get close enough to Floyd to initiate a clinch without getting KO’d in the process.[/quote]

Not really disagreeing here either. My point is, however, that a shit ton of the clinching Mayweather engages in, and finds himself in, works for him. I disagree that it represents a failure on his part because his opponents do not seem to be able to exploit it, and he can also shut down a lot of their attempts when he wants to.

No, I don’t see him being able to play that game against someone with Rousey’s skills in an MMA match. I think she could beat his hands, head, and hips without much issue at all. She fucking better be able to, it was her life for years.

I am not saying he could get it done with clinches in MMA. I am saying that those same clinches are an integral part of how he has gotten it done in 45 boxing matches.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I would say that Hatton initiated most of those clinches
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I didn’t compile any stats, or even count the total number. I am comfortable with “many”. I am not sure about “most”. Also, gameplan wise I don’t think Ricky wanted to hug/tie up so much as lean and bang. Setting up a hook or uppercut with a bump is/was a big part of his game, so Hatton’s attemps to outright wrap up Mayweather make me think he was being led out of “his fight” and into something else.

I agree absolutely.

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And even if he was clinching on purpose to protect himself from Hatton’s inside punching skills (again though, I’ve yet to see any fights where he didn’t wind up in a clinch), that still shows that it anything but impossible to consistently get close enough to Floyd to initiate a clinch without getting KO’d in the process.[/quote]

Not really disagreeing here either. My point is, however, that a shit ton of the clinching Mayweather engages in, and finds himself in, works for him. I disagree that it represents a failure on his part because his opponents do not seem to be able to exploit it, and he can also shut down a lot of their attempts when he wants to.

No, I don’t see him being able to play that game against someone with Rousey’s skills in an MMA match. I think she could beat his hands, head, and hips without much issue at all. She fucking better be able to, it was her life for years.

I am not saying he could get it done with clinches in MMA. I am saying that those same clinches are an integral part of how he has gotten it done in 45 boxing matches.

Regards,

Robert A [/quote]

Yes, we are in total agreement that they are a part of boxing.

My only point is that because he is so used to clinching and being saved by the ref, and therefore has never really had to learn how to avoid it or learned to view it as a dangerous position (because the rules of boxing have changed to the point that clinch fighting has been all but eliminated in the modern day sport which Floyd has been training in his whole life). Therefore, he would be more or less helpless to prevent a good grappler or MMA fighter from getting there and exploiting his defense.

If he could really just KO someone with a power shot whenever they tried to get in close (as some here are suggesting that he could), then he would have a hell of a lot more KO’s and would never end up in clinches. Clearly this is not the case and the numerous clinches that he winds up in are proof that fighters can get to clinch range against him without getting KO’d.

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I take it from 177 posts that some actually think Rowsy would win!

That’s crazy.

It would last a few seconds.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I would say that Hatton initiated most of those clinches
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I didn’t compile any stats, or even count the total number. I am comfortable with “many”. I am not sure about “most”. Also, gameplan wise I don’t think Ricky wanted to hug/tie up so much as lean and bang. Setting up a hook or uppercut with a bump is/was a big part of his game, so Hatton’s attemps to outright wrap up Mayweather make me think he was being led out of “his fight” and into something else.

I agree absolutely.

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And even if he was clinching on purpose to protect himself from Hatton’s inside punching skills (again though, I’ve yet to see any fights where he didn’t wind up in a clinch), that still shows that it anything but impossible to consistently get close enough to Floyd to initiate a clinch without getting KO’d in the process.[/quote]

Not really disagreeing here either. My point is, however, that a shit ton of the clinching Mayweather engages in, and finds himself in, works for him. I disagree that it represents a failure on his part because his opponents do not seem to be able to exploit it, and he can also shut down a lot of their attempts when he wants to.

No, I don’t see him being able to play that game against someone with Rousey’s skills in an MMA match. I think she could beat his hands, head, and hips without much issue at all. She fucking better be able to, it was her life for years.

I am not saying he could get it done with clinches in MMA. I am saying that those same clinches are an integral part of how he has gotten it done in 45 boxing matches.

Regards,

Robert A [/quote]

Yes, we are in total agreement that they are a part of boxing.

My only point is that because he is so used to clinching and being saved by the ref, and therefore has never really had to learn how to avoid it or learned to view it as a dangerous position (because the rules of boxing have changed to the point that clinch fighting has been all but eliminated in the modern day sport which Floyd has been training in his whole life). Therefore, he would be more or less helpless to prevent a good grappler or MMA fighter from getting there and exploiting his defense.

If he could really just KO someone with a power shot whenever they tried to get in close (as some here are suggesting that he could), then he would have a hell of a lot more KO’s and would never end up in clinches. Clearly this is not the case and the numerous clinches that he winds up in are proof that fighters can get to clinch range against him without getting KO’d.[/quote]

Your point is well made. I would go so far to say a Floyd Mayweather level clinch game is going to be of about as much use as a Rhonda Rousey level 1,1,2 combo in this kind of grappler vs striker match up.

My Floyd Mayweather fanboyism just forces me to point out that what may be useless or even counter-productive in this thread’s scenario is actually a plus in the venue that makes Floyd “Money May”.

I hope you don’t think I am being argumentative.

Side note: Has Mini-Sento started training yet? I imagine you will be raising “Baddest Toddler on the Planet”.

Regards,

Robert A