Rousey vs Mayweather in MMA Fight

magick · March 17, 2014, 5:58pm

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The problem with a smaller grappler beating a larger opponent, even a larger grappler, is that it is still man vs man. A woman who is doing BJJ is not tapping out men who are bigger unless there is a big gap in skill. Then there is the fact that most guys will ease up when rolling with a woman. Personally, when I roll with a woman who is smaller I don’t go as hard as with a man who is smaller.[/quote]

And there is an incredibly large difference in skill between Rousey and Mayweather when it comes to grappling.

Mayweather has no real experience whatsoever. Rousey is an Olympian.

Rousey is not that much smaller than Mayweather. It’s not like there’s a 30-40lb and 3-4 inches difference in their weight and size.

At least make a better argument than “Rousey will lose because she’s a woman”, especially when there is no significant size difference between the two.

jbpick86 · March 17, 2014, 6:57pm

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The problem with a smaller grappler beating a larger opponent, even a larger grappler, is that it is still man vs man. A woman who is doing BJJ is not tapping out men who are bigger unless there is a big gap in skill. Then there is the fact that most guys will ease up when rolling with a woman. Personally, when I roll with a woman who is smaller I don’t go as hard as with a man who is smaller.[/quote]

And there is an incredibly large difference in skill between Rousey and Mayweather when it comes to grappling.

Mayweather has no real experience whatsoever. Rousey is an Olympian.

Rousey is not that much smaller than Mayweather. It’s not like there’s a 30-40lb and 3-4 inches difference in their weight and size.

At least make a better argument than “Rousey will lose because she’s a woman”, especially when there is no significant size difference between the two.[/quote]

and Mayweather is a bigger, stronger, faster man vs a woman. Even if she got to him by crawling at him (how would she get to his feet by crawling when all he has to do is step away and put a punch down into the side of her head which would end the fight). As was said earlier Rhonda has a 1% chance of winning this fight and that is generous. He would beat her half to death, even if she got him down, if she got within range of a punch he is probably going to knock her out anyway.

I think most people here are drastically underestimating the difference strength, speed and power would make with regards to Rhonda’s ability to even grapple, and they are underestimating the striking ability of someone like FM who would hit her 10 times before she ever touched him.

sardines12 · March 17, 2014, 7:20pm

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The problem with a smaller grappler beating a larger opponent, even a larger grappler, is that it is still man vs man. A woman who is doing BJJ is not tapping out men who are bigger unless there is a big gap in skill. Then there is the fact that most guys will ease up when rolling with a woman. Personally, when I roll with a woman who is smaller I don’t go as hard as with a man who is smaller.[/quote]

And there is an incredibly large difference in skill between Rousey and Mayweather when it comes to grappling.

Mayweather has no real experience whatsoever. Rousey is an Olympian.

Rousey is not that much smaller than Mayweather. It’s not like there’s a 30-40lb and 3-4 inches difference in their weight and size.

At least make a better argument than “Rousey will lose because she’s a woman”, especially when there is no significant size difference between the two.[/quote]

and Mayweather is a bigger, stronger, faster man vs a woman. Even if she got to him by crawling at him (how would she get to his feet by crawling when all he has to do is step away and put a punch down into the side of her head which would end the fight). As was said earlier Rhonda has a 1% chance of winning this fight and that is generous. He would beat her half to death, even if she got him down, if she got within range of a punch he is probably going to knock her out anyway.

I think most people here are drastically underestimating the difference strength, speed and power would make with regards to Rhonda’s ability to even grapple, and they are underestimating the striking ability of someone like FM who would hit her 10 times before she ever touched him.
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just because you have a penis doesn’t make you stronger than a woman, especially when Mayweather is a small fighter, has zero weightlifting experience zero grappling experience etc… and fighter b has been throwing around men and women since a small age

magick · March 17, 2014, 7:25pm

Have you ever grappled before? Strength is virtually meaningless when your opponent has an enormous skill advantage over you.

I don’t get it. RONDA ROUSEY IS A FUCKING OLYMPIC LEVEL JUDOKA. What about this do you people not understand? It’s not like Rousey is some random ass 1st dan judoka. For all intents and purposes, Mayweather will be destroyed the moment Rousey gets her hands on him. There is no arguing against this.

If you genuinely think Mayweather can one-hit KO Rousey even if she covers her face with her arms, then either you know something that I do not, or you’re being delusional.

jbpick86 · March 17, 2014, 7:38pm

[quote]magick wrote:
Have you ever grappled before? Strength is virtually meaningless when your opponent has an enormous skill advantage over you.

I don’t get it. RONDA ROUSEY IS A FUCKING OLYMPIC LEVEL JUDOKA. What about this do you people not understand? It’s not like Rousey is some random ass 1st dan judoka. For all intents and purposes, Mayweather will be destroyed the moment Rousey gets her hands on him. There is no arguing against this.

If you genuinely think Mayweather can one-hit KO Rousey even if she covers her face with her arms, then either you know something that I do not, or you’re being delusional.[/quote]

I am not saying that I could get in there and KO Rhonda or anything of the sort. She would have me so tied up it wouldn’t even be close. Floyd Mayweather is not me however. You cannot cover and block effectively at all with those small mma gloves. 20 lbs (difference and Rhonda and Franky Edgar) of body mass, 8 inches on reach and a significant speed advantage, plus I would bet a lot that Mayweather is in fact stronger than Rousey. How in the hell will she get a hand on him crawling at him?? If she fast crawls at him how will she effectively protect her face when he sidesteps and counter punches the hell out of her? Yall are talking about an elite boxer here, not joe blow off the street. I mean come on people.

jbpick86 · March 17, 2014, 7:44pm

She would never lay a hand on him before he rolled her eyes back. I cant feature any approach that she makes that doesn’t get skirted and counterpunched. God forbid you give him 6 months to train. Can someone give me a plausible explanation of how she would actually get to one of his legs, proceed to eat punches harder than any she has ever felt from an elite boxer while trying to take him down if she does get there, and not end up crumpling under the barrage that would ensue as she tried to grapple him?

magick · March 17, 2014, 7:47pm

So can Mayweather KO Rousey while she’s covering her face with her arms? Yes or no?

sardines12 · March 17, 2014, 7:49pm

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
She would never lay a hand on him before he rolled her eyes back. I cant feature any approach that she makes that doesn’t get skirted and counterpunched. God forbid you give him 6 months to train. Can someone give me a plausible explanation of how she would actually get to one of his legs, proceed to eat punches harder than any she has ever felt from an elite boxer while trying to take him down if she does get there, and not end up crumpling under the barrage that would ensue as she tried to grapple him?[/quote]
Roy Jones vs Royce Gracie? Similar idea and we all know what the result would be. Roy would be vastly more athletic but he’d still lose. You dorks sound like people trying to argue that batman would beat superman.

jbpick86 · March 17, 2014, 7:55pm

[quote]magick wrote:
So can Mayweather KO Rousey while she’s covering her face with her arms? Yes or no?[/quote]

Hell yes, the same way you watched Tito collapse to Liddel’s punches while covering up. I will repeat, you cannot effectively cover-up with those MMA gloves against MMA gloves. Punishment will slip through. And even if she could if managed to effectively cover her head he would crush her body. And if she managed to cover up everything, when does she decide to mount her offensive without getting obliterated?

jbpick86 · March 17, 2014, 8:04pm

This is about how well covering up would go for her.

There is the link, cant get the damn thing to work.

jbpick86 · March 17, 2014, 8:17pm

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
She would never lay a hand on him before he rolled her eyes back. I cant feature any approach that she makes that doesn’t get skirted and counterpunched. God forbid you give him 6 months to train. Can someone give me a plausible explanation of how she would actually get to one of his legs, proceed to eat punches harder than any she has ever felt from an elite boxer while trying to take him down if she does get there, and not end up crumpling under the barrage that would ensue as she tried to grapple him?[/quote]
Roy Jones vs Royce Gracie? Similar idea and we all know what the result would be. Roy would be vastly more athletic but he’d still lose. You dorks sound like people trying to argue that batman would beat superman.[/quote]

Except, Royce would be the bigger, possibly stronger fighter which is the exact opposite of what would happen in the Rousey vs Mayweather fight. Most healthy males can come damn close to totalling elite in Rhonda’s Raw powerlifting division with a month or two of strength work so I am not going out on a limb here and saying the strength disparity is large unless you think Rhonda is also a world class lifter.

jbpick86 · March 17, 2014, 8:41pm

I am not even saying that if Rhonda were to get him down that she wouldn’t submit him, I am just saying that she would never get him down. Not even really come close. She would lunge, get countered, try to bear crawl and not even get close to him as he stepped around her, bull rush him and get countered as he stepped away, try to get close, absorb a lot of punishment, try to pull guard, fail, get stood up, get punished and crumple. That is how that fight goes 85 times out of 100. The other 14 she actually succeeds in pulling guard, he beats up on her there before getting out grappled but she cant overcome the strength advantage before the end of the round, then loses in the second. In that one fight, either Floyd trips or Rhonda lands a 1 in a 1000 sweep that puts him on his back and she wins by submission.

zecarlo · March 17, 2014, 9:16pm

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
She would never lay a hand on him before he rolled her eyes back. I cant feature any approach that she makes that doesn’t get skirted and counterpunched. God forbid you give him 6 months to train. Can someone give me a plausible explanation of how she would actually get to one of his legs, proceed to eat punches harder than any she has ever felt from an elite boxer while trying to take him down if she does get there, and not end up crumpling under the barrage that would ensue as she tried to grapple him?[/quote]
Roy Jones vs Royce Gracie? Similar idea and we all know what the result would be. Roy would be vastly more athletic but he’d still lose. You dorks sound like people trying to argue that batman would beat superman.[/quote]
Not similar at all. Royce trained his entire life for a moment like that whereas Rousey NEVER has. She has never trained to close the distance, clinch and take down a man anywhere near Floyd’s ability or even a man in general under mma-like circumstances.

People keep talking about Floyd’s nonexistent grappling but this is mma, not a Judo match. It starts out exactly where Floyd wants, not Rousey.

There is video of her training with Mousasi and it looks like he finds her attempts at fighting him amusing and even boring. Rousey does look frustrated though. Sure, he is bigger than Floyd, and Rousey, but she is an Olympic Judoka should it really have been that easy?

sardines12 · March 17, 2014, 9:21pm

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
She would never lay a hand on him before he rolled her eyes back. I cant feature any approach that she makes that doesn’t get skirted and counterpunched. God forbid you give him 6 months to train. Can someone give me a plausible explanation of how she would actually get to one of his legs, proceed to eat punches harder than any she has ever felt from an elite boxer while trying to take him down if she does get there, and not end up crumpling under the barrage that would ensue as she tried to grapple him?[/quote]
Roy Jones vs Royce Gracie? Similar idea and we all know what the result would be. Roy would be vastly more athletic but he’d still lose. You dorks sound like people trying to argue that batman would beat superman.[/quote]
Not similar at all. Royce trained his entire life for a moment like that whereas Rousey NEVER has. She has never trained to close the distance, clinch and take down a man anywhere near Floyd’s ability or even a man in general under mma-like circumstances.

People keep talking about Floyd’s nonexistent grappling but this is mma, not a Judo match. It starts out exactly where Floyd wants, not Rousey.

There is video of her training with Mousasi and it looks like he finds her attempts at fighting him amusing and even boring. Rousey does look frustrated though. Sure, he is bigger than Floyd, and Rousey, but she is an Olympic Judoka should it really have been that easy? [/quote]
Mousasi is a trained grappler and even outgrappled Hector Lombard (he was an olympic judoka) horrible comparison. And no Royce Gracie wasn’t training his entire life to close the distance and take guys down. The Gracie clan doesn’t include much in the way of takedowns unless we’re counting Rener and that bunch (I think they were state champs in HS) Royce had awful TD’s.

magick · March 17, 2014, 9:25pm

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Most healthy males can come damn close to totalling elite in Rhonda’s Raw powerlifting division with a month or two of strength work so I am not going out on a limb here and saying the strength disparity is large unless you think Rhonda is also a world class lifter.
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Except Mayweather is not a powerlifter. He is a welterweight boxer fighting at a weight that is far below that would normally be ideal for him.

We have no idea how physically strong he is. You cannot merely assume that he’ll be stronger than Rousey (though, again, a completely moot point because strength is irrelevant when there’s a big of a grappling experience gap as exists between Rousey and Mayweather) to the point that it actually becomes relevant. Though, again, strength is a completely moot point because strength is largely irrelevant when there’s a big of a grappling experience gap as exists between Rousey and Mayweather.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I am not even saying that if Rhonda were to get him down that she wouldn’t submit him, I am just saying that she would never get him down. Not even really come close. She would lunge, get countered, try to bear crawl and not even get close to him as he stepped around her, bull rush him and get countered as he stepped away,[/quote]

You make it sound as though Mayweather never got clinched before.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
try to pull guard, fail, get stood up, get punished and crumple. That is how that fight goes 85 times out of 100. The other 14 she actually succeeds in pulling guard, he beats up on her there before getting out grappled but she cant overcome the strength advantage before the end of the round, then loses in the second. In that one fight, either Floyd trips or Rhonda lands a 1 in a 1000 sweep that puts him on his back and she wins by submission.[/quote]

… Why on Earth would she ever need to pull guard? I mean, wtf?

Have you ever been thrown before? Do you know what getting thrown while you don’t even know a thing about ukemi, or never been thrown for that matter, does to you? Maybe the mat will absorb most of the impact, but the sheer shock value of being thrown when you’ve never been thrown before is immense.

She wouldn’t need to sweep. She wouldn’t need to pull guard. All she has to do is get in a clinch. Then for all intents and purposes she wins.

Yes, it is certainly possible, hell it is probable, that Mayweather’s footwork and agility is enough to never let Rousey close the distance. It is certainly possible, and again probable, that Mayweather’s hands are so heavy that just a couple of punches are enough to shock Rousey and bring her down easily.

But to claim that Rousey would need to pull guard or have to do a sweep is just laughable. She clinches. She wins. Even if Mayweather had 6 months or years to practice BJJ or judo.

Sentoguy · March 17, 2014, 9:47pm

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Rousey is skilled at taking women down. Women who have nowhere the ability of Floyd. I don’t see how what men can do and have done in the UFC somehow translates to a woman. [/quote]

More like women who have light years more grappling skill, and takedown defense than Floyd. You are either trolling or suffering from severe delusions of chauvinism if you think that Ronda wouldn’t tool Floyd if she got a hold of him.

jbpick86 · March 17, 2014, 9:50pm