Rousey vs Mayweather in MMA Fight

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Oh, she’ll get punched, I doubt anyone is arguing that she’ll waltz in untouched, the question is whether she gets KO’d. Even if she gets hit 10 times and cut coming in, if she doesn’t get KO’d and can get to a clinch, she is taking Mayweather down and walking away with the victory.[/quote]
If she gets hit she won’t get KOed, she’ll be comatose. [/quote]

This. This argument is fucking retarded. She fights women in women’s MMA. You put a male boxer in there (never mind one with Mayweather’s hand speef, foot speed and reflexes) and she gets lit up like a Chinese fire drill. She’d get her fuckin’ head spun backwards the first time she charged.[/quote]
Not at all, it’s UFC 1 all over again. BJJ’s sole purpose is for the weaker smaller person to win. Floyd can only fight with one thing, that’s it. Rhonda has a million ways to take him down and she at least knows how to throw leg kicks. Like others said, balls aren’t magical. Floyd has a punchers chance and that’s it. If she doesn’t get KO’d, she’s taking his arm home, end if discussion. In know way shape or form is he getting off the ground if she gets him there. [/quote]
You left out some important details. BJJ was created to help a weaker, smaller person defeat a physically superior one but there is more to it than that. MMA is not self-defense, it is a sport. BJJ was not intended for mma. UFC 1, though not a self-defense situation was closer to reality (reality of being in a one on one fight with no weapons) than mma/UFC today. Also, should we even say that it was created for a smaller, weaker person or should we say a smaller, weaker man? The reality of self-defense is that survival is victory. A woman doesn’t need to break an attacker’s arm or choke him out; she just needs to avoid getting killed, raped, seriously injured, etc. And that is exactly what a competent BJJ instructor would tell women (and even men) who train. He would not tell her that she will be able to fight Mike Tyson and win because he is a boxer and she is a BJJ ninja. He wouldn’t say, “close the distance and take him down,” but rather, “if there is distance between you then run away.”

Yes, in a “real” situation Ronda, or any trained woman, can survive and maybe even “win.” But there is a difference between getting grabbed in a parking garage (distance already closed, grappling situation from the start), having a date turn bad on a sofa (again, already a grappling situation) or any other reality based situation that women might face vs standing across a cage from a professional fighter who knows exactly what the circumstances he finds himself in are. A lot of people talk about what BJJ is yet they don’t really have a clue. They see Royce, someone who trained for the exact scenario that was the early UFC for almost his entire life, beat the opponents he faced and they think that somehow that translates to anyone, male or female, who does BJJ. Training in BJJ, Judo or even for the UFC does not mean you are training for the fight of your life against some psycho who is twice your size that wants to kill you. Even Rickson has said that when he looks at a lot of the smaller fighters in the UFC as well as smaller BJJ competitors he doesn’t see anything that tells him they could handle someone who was a couple of weight classes heavier. Anyway, the point is that comparing Royce to Ronda is ridiculous. You are comparing someone who from the age of three was training to avoid getting punched in the face by someone bigger and stronger to someone who has been doing that for a couple of years and it’s against slower, softer hitting women her own size. Yeah, she trains with guys but they go easy on her. Even the the BJJ guys who roll with her and aren’t even black belts, let alone world champions, go easy on her. [/quote]

You aren’t giving enough credit to Ronda’s Judo skills. She is an Olympic Bronze medalist, and Silver medalist in the World Championships, that means that out of all of the women in the entire world (many of whom have been doing Judo everyday for their entire lives, only 1-2 could beat her. She also won the Gold in several other highly competitive Judo competitions. Floyd is a white belt at grappling, I guarantee that Ronda wipes the floor with him and armbars him every time they grapple. Saying that bigger stronger trained grapplers get the better of her is a moot point.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Oh, she’ll get punched, I doubt anyone is arguing that she’ll waltz in untouched, the question is whether she gets KO’d. Even if she gets hit 10 times and cut coming in, if she doesn’t get KO’d and can get to a clinch, she is taking Mayweather down and walking away with the victory.[/quote]
If she gets hit she won’t get KOed, she’ll be comatose. [/quote]

This. This argument is fucking retarded. She fights women in women’s MMA. You put a male boxer in there (never mind one with Mayweather’s hand speef, foot speed and reflexes) and she gets lit up like a Chinese fire drill. She’d get her fuckin’ head spun backwards the first time she charged.[/quote]
Not at all, it’s UFC 1 all over again. BJJ’s sole purpose is for the weaker smaller person to win. Floyd can only fight with one thing, that’s it. Rhonda has a million ways to take him down and she at least knows how to throw leg kicks. Like others said, balls aren’t magical. Floyd has a punchers chance and that’s it. If she doesn’t get KO’d, she’s taking his arm home, end if discussion. In know way shape or form is he getting off the ground if she gets him there. [/quote]
You left out some important details. BJJ was created to help a weaker, smaller person defeat a physically superior one but there is more to it than that. MMA is not self-defense, it is a sport. BJJ was not intended for mma. UFC 1, though not a self-defense situation was closer to reality (reality of being in a one on one fight with no weapons) than mma/UFC today. Also, should we even say that it was created for a smaller, weaker person or should we say a smaller, weaker man? The reality of self-defense is that survival is victory. A woman doesn’t need to break an attacker’s arm or choke him out; she just needs to avoid getting killed, raped, seriously injured, etc. And that is exactly what a competent BJJ instructor would tell women (and even men) who train. He would not tell her that she will be able to fight Mike Tyson and win because he is a boxer and she is a BJJ ninja. He wouldn’t say, “close the distance and take him down,” but rather, “if there is distance between you then run away.”

Yes, in a “real” situation Ronda, or any trained woman, can survive and maybe even “win.” But there is a difference between getting grabbed in a parking garage (distance already closed, grappling situation from the start), having a date turn bad on a sofa (again, already a grappling situation) or any other reality based situation that women might face vs standing across a cage from a professional fighter who knows exactly what the circumstances he finds himself in are. A lot of people talk about what BJJ is yet they don’t really have a clue. They see Royce, someone who trained for the exact scenario that was the early UFC for almost his entire life, beat the opponents he faced and they think that somehow that translates to anyone, male or female, who does BJJ. Training in BJJ, Judo or even for the UFC does not mean you are training for the fight of your life against some psycho who is twice your size that wants to kill you. Even Rickson has said that when he looks at a lot of the smaller fighters in the UFC as well as smaller BJJ competitors he doesn’t see anything that tells him they could handle someone who was a couple of weight classes heavier. Anyway, the point is that comparing Royce to Ronda is ridiculous. You are comparing someone who from the age of three was training to avoid getting punched in the face by someone bigger and stronger to someone who has been doing that for a couple of years and it’s against slower, softer hitting women her own size. Yeah, she trains with guys but they go easy on her. Even the the BJJ guys who roll with her and aren’t even black belts, let alone world champions, go easy on her. [/quote]

You aren’t giving enough credit to Ronda’s Judo skills. She is an Olympic Bronze medalist, and Silver medalist in the World Championships, that means that out of all of the women in the entire world (many of whom have been doing Judo everyday for their entire lives, only 1-2 could beat her. She also won the Gold in several other highly competitive Judo competitions. Floyd is a white belt at grappling, I guarantee that Ronda wipes the floor with him and armbars him every time they grapple. Saying that bigger stronger trained grapplers get the better of her is a moot point.[/quote]
Let’s not forget that many boxers Floyd’s size are notoriously weak physically, Rhonda would manhandle him, Floyd isn’t Gegard Mousasi, or one of the Diaz bros.

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Let’s not forget that Floyd is already like 3-0 against women.

Or so the courts say.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Let’s not forget that Floyd is already like 3-0 against women.

Or so the courts say.
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bwa haha.

best comment.

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If world class male boxers cant land a punch on floyd, how is some publicity seeking woman going to get her hands on him long enough, or with enough of a grip to get him on the ground?

This whole “if she just gets her hands on him” argument is stupid because she’s getting knocked the fuck out within 30seconds. There would be no grappling.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Let’s not forget that Floyd is already like 3-0 against women.

Or so the courts say.
[/quote]

Touché

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
If world class male boxers cant land a punch on floyd, how is some publicity seeking woman going to get her hands on him long enough, or with enough of a grip to get him on the ground?

This whole “if she just gets her hands on him” argument is stupid because she’s getting knocked the fuck out within 30seconds. There would be no grappling. [/quote]

Being able to land a hard concussive punch to a very specific target is much, much more difficult than clinching someone. Floyd winds up in clinches in pretty much every one of his fights, it’s just that in modern boxing clinch fighting has been all but eliminated and has become more of a stalling or rest position than anything else.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
You aren’t giving enough credit to Ronda’s Judo skills. She is an Olympic Bronze medalist, and Silver medalist in the World Championships, that means that out of all of the women in the entire world (many of whom have been doing Judo everyday for their entire lives, only 1-2 could beat her. She also won the Gold in several other highly competitive Judo competitions. Floyd is a white belt at grappling, I guarantee that Ronda wipes the floor with him and armbars him every time they grapple. Saying that bigger stronger trained grapplers get the better of her is a moot point.[/quote]
Her Judo skills and athleticism are measured against women. Her Judo training was geared toward Judo, not a anything resembling a real fight. And it is quite possible that even if it ended up on the ground he could hurt her with punches. Also, if she leads with a leg kick she will definitely get KOed. She is not Hoost or Aerts. One more thing, it’s not bigger, stronger trained grapplers that beat her but simply male grapplers. I can say with 100% assuredness that men lighter than she is beat her on the mat. I would put a male purple belt mundial champ at 125 pounds against her and not be surprised when he wins.

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You really don’t rate women

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
You aren’t giving enough credit to Ronda’s Judo skills. She is an Olympic Bronze medalist, and Silver medalist in the World Championships, that means that out of all of the women in the entire world (many of whom have been doing Judo everyday for their entire lives, only 1-2 could beat her. She also won the Gold in several other highly competitive Judo competitions. Floyd is a white belt at grappling, I guarantee that Ronda wipes the floor with him and armbars him every time they grapple. Saying that bigger stronger trained grapplers get the better of her is a moot point.[/quote]
Her Judo skills and athleticism are measured against women. Her Judo training was geared toward Judo, not a anything resembling a real fight. And it is quite possible that even if it ended up on the ground he could hurt her with punches. Also, if she leads with a leg kick she will definitely get KOed. She is not Hoost or Aerts. One more thing, it’s not bigger, stronger trained grapplers that beat her but simply male grapplers. I can say with 100% assuredness that men lighter than she is beat her on the mat. I would put a male purple belt mundial champ at 125 pounds against her and not be surprised when he wins. [/quote]

Seriously? You are comparing a pure boxer with absolutely zero grappling experience or knowledge to a purple belt Mundial champ? You must think that winning the Mundials at purple belt requires zero skill or deserves zero respect if you are comparing Floyd’s chances of beating Ronda in a grappling match to a purple belt Mundial champ’s chances of beating Ronda in a grappling match.

Explain how leading with a leg kick equals sure fire KO. I think we’d both agree that in such a fight Floyd is going to want to keep Ronda at the end of his punches to avoid getting clinched, right? That is going to mean that Ronda will be in range to kick Floyd in the legs (especially lead leg/inside leg kick to Floyd’s lead leg). Sure, that is not a KO strike, but seeing as Mayweather is completely unaccustomed to being kicked in the legs it’s only going to take a couple before he’s going to start trying to shin block them (which again puts him on one foot and nullifies his punching power and footwork speed. Once she can get him to do that, just fake it and jam her way into the clinch.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
If world class male boxers cant land a punch on floyd, how is some publicity seeking woman going to get her hands on him long enough, or with enough of a grip to get him on the ground?

This whole “if she just gets her hands on him” argument is stupid because she’s getting knocked the fuck out within 30seconds. There would be no grappling. [/quote]

There seems to be at least a few people here with a modicum of common sense.

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Once Roussey gets him on the floor I think then it is over as long Mayweather keeps moving around with his quickness he keeps her away by jabbing but how is he going to avoid direct shots take downs.

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[quote]davidsonk wrote:
how is he going to avoid direct shots take downs. [/quote]

By smashing her face the second she gets within reach.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
You aren’t giving enough credit to Ronda’s Judo skills. She is an Olympic Bronze medalist, and Silver medalist in the World Championships, that means that out of all of the women in the entire world (many of whom have been doing Judo everyday for their entire lives, only 1-2 could beat her. She also won the Gold in several other highly competitive Judo competitions. Floyd is a white belt at grappling, I guarantee that Ronda wipes the floor with him and armbars him every time they grapple. Saying that bigger stronger trained grapplers get the better of her is a moot point.[/quote]
Her Judo skills and athleticism are measured against women. Her Judo training was geared toward Judo, not a anything resembling a real fight. And it is quite possible that even if it ended up on the ground he could hurt her with punches. Also, if she leads with a leg kick she will definitely get KOed. She is not Hoost or Aerts. One more thing, it’s not bigger, stronger trained grapplers that beat her but simply male grapplers. I can say with 100% assuredness that men lighter than she is beat her on the mat. I would put a male purple belt mundial champ at 125 pounds against her and not be surprised when he wins. [/quote]

Seriously? You are comparing a pure boxer with absolutely zero grappling experience or knowledge to a purple belt Mundial champ? You must think that winning the Mundials at purple belt requires zero skill or deserves zero respect if you are comparing Floyd’s chances of beating Ronda in a grappling match to a purple belt Mundial champ’s chances of beating Ronda in a grappling match.

Explain how leading with a leg kick equals sure fire KO. I think we’d both agree that in such a fight Floyd is going to want to keep Ronda at the end of his punches to avoid getting clinched, right? That is going to mean that Ronda will be in range to kick Floyd in the legs (especially lead leg/inside leg kick to Floyd’s lead leg). Sure, that is not a KO strike, but seeing as Mayweather is completely unaccustomed to being kicked in the legs it’s only going to take a couple before he’s going to start trying to shin block them (which again puts him on one foot and nullifies his punching power and footwork speed. Once she can get him to do that, just fake it and jam her way into the clinch.[/quote]
What I’m saying is that everyone talks up her bronze medal and athleticism but that was all measured against other women. No matter how fast she tries to close the distance it will still be slower than a man doing the same and, it will be slower than a man who wouldn’t even be considered a great athlete. The gap between great female athlete and great male athlete is big. It’s not like she is almost as fast as her male equivalent but rather she isn’t even close. Ronda will appear to be moving in slow motion to PBF.

Her leg kick will be so slow relative to PBF’s punching speed, reaction time and reflexes that he will KO her before her kick is half way there. Remember, this is an mma match so even if he doesn’t have a lot of time to train for specific techniques he would know what his opponent is allowed to do so it’s not like she has the element of surprise. He also has a reach advantage so it’s not like she is going to be that far away when she kicks.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
If world class male boxers cant land a punch on floyd, how is some publicity seeking woman going to get her hands on him long enough, or with enough of a grip to get him on the ground?

This whole “if she just gets her hands on him” argument is stupid because she’s getting knocked the fuck out within 30seconds. There would be no grappling. [/quote]

There seems to be at least a few people here with a modicum of common sense. [/quote]
Damn you’re right dude, I forgot how effective bobbing and weaving is against judokas and wrestlers, I still don’t know why more mma fighters don’t train with Floyd to learn TD defense.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
If world class male boxers cant land a punch on floyd, how is some publicity seeking woman going to get her hands on him long enough, or with enough of a grip to get him on the ground?

This whole “if she just gets her hands on him” argument is stupid because she’s getting knocked the fuck out within 30seconds. There would be no grappling. [/quote]

There seems to be at least a few people here with a modicum of common sense. [/quote]
Damn you’re right dude, I forgot how effective bobbing and weaving is against judokas and wrestlers, I still don’t know why more mma fighters don’t train with Floyd to learn TD defense.[/quote]
You do realize the opposite is true? That is, bobbing and weaving is effective against boxers and how well does Ronda do that? You think about PBF’s TD defense but what about Ronda’s punch defense? PBF would be facing someone whose TD’s though good, are certainly not great (she is a woman after all), whereas Ronda would be facing someone whose striking is among the greatest on the planet, ever.

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I think a large proportion MMA fans seriously underestimate the striking ability of pro boxers, the degree to which Mayweather has achieved mastery of striking and in my opinion the degree to which absolute excellence in striking will in 99% of possible outcomes totally and unequivocally overrule Roussey’s advantage in other areas

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If serena williams could avoid Nadal’s serve she might be able to beat him in a tennis match. Unfortunately for her, serving is part of the game…

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
If world class male boxers cant land a punch on floyd, how is some publicity seeking woman going to get her hands on him long enough, or with enough of a grip to get him on the ground?

This whole “if she just gets her hands on him” argument is stupid because she’s getting knocked the fuck out within 30seconds. There would be no grappling. [/quote]

There seems to be at least a few people here with a modicum of common sense. [/quote]
Damn you’re right dude, I forgot how effective bobbing and weaving is against judokas and wrestlers, I still don’t know why more mma fighters don’t train with Floyd to learn TD defense.[/quote]
You do realize the opposite is true? That is, bobbing and weaving is effective against boxers and how well does Ronda do that? You think about PBF’s TD defense but what about Ronda’s punch defense? PBF would be facing someone whose TD’s though good, are certainly not great (she is a woman after all), whereas Ronda would be facing someone whose striking is among the greatest on the planet, ever. [/quote]
Uhhh no, it’s the same shit every boxer says, "before he (in this case she) gets me down I’ll have lit them up with my super fast hands. Nope, it’s just not going to happen, you guys sound like those black kung fu guys on youtube, you can’t choke me ciz imma use monkey tiger claw. There are a million ways she can get the fight down to the ground, She could literally cover her face with both hands, duck and shoot a single and this is over. She doesn’t need a NCAA division 1 Josh Koscheck power double to get him down, because he’s never seen a takedown before. And let’s not get carried away he’s one of the best boxers sure, NOT STRIKER by any stretch of the imagination.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
If serena williams could avoid Nadal’s serve she might be able to beat him in a tennis match. Unfortunately for her, serving is part of the game… [/quote]
Terrible comparison as Nadal and Serna you know compete in the same sport. This isn’t Rhonda vs Urijah Faber or Jose Aldo, it’s Rhonda against a boxer who has zero grappling experience or ability.