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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

There aren’t any widely held dogmas even if this group has some…

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Oh but there is.

The evidence is splattered all over this board.
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What may those be? [/quote]

Take a look around.

Besides, Raj, you’ve already seen me cover this before.

Funny thing is there is hardly no greater atheism evangelist on TN then you. It absolutely consumes you to spread your faith, your dogma, your belief system about what cannot be physically examined.

It’s purt near hilarious that you of all people are trumpeting from the mountaintops that atheism is not a de facto religion.[/quote]

I feel strongly about a lot of things. Topics relating to atheism happens to be one of them.

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RELIGION =/= STRONG BELIEF!
For the love of god/nothing…

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You know, just as I do, that being a Christian entails much more than simply strongly believing in the Christian God.
If you don’t realize this, then you have tragically missed the teachings of your own scriptures.

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Sorry, that last post came off as superior.
That is not the impression I wish to put forth.

I merely wish to state that a religion is a special thing, it is a lifestyle, a theory on the makeup of the universe, and the role of life within.
It is not simply a belief.

Atheism is no more a religion than monotheism, or polytheism.
However like stated before, Buddhism, Humanism, both atheist philosophies, are very much religions.

Assigning religious status to “Atheists” not only does a disservice to the immense amount of thought and discipline that goes in to a real religion, it assigns inaccurate meaning to a practically meaningless belief.

So you don’t believe in god, what’s next then?
If the “atheist” can answer this question with a set of beliefs and a code to abide by daily, universally, then they are religious.
If not, then they are merely idiots.

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There is no such thing as a good atheist.
There are no atheist tenets.
You see?

This is why Atheism is not a religion.

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[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

There are no atheist tenets.

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Except for that one?

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Oh, Semantics!
How you can drive even the most calmly demeanored man to a rage.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

There are no atheist tenets.

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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…

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I don’t believe in flying elephants.
Therefore that is my religion by your standards for the term, correct?

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[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

There are no atheist tenets.

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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…
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Well, it’s lack of any tenets. Not just the disbelief in god.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

There are no atheist tenets.

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Except for that one?
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" teachings of your own tenets"

A tenant is one of two things. Either the doctrine or the opinion held as true by a school, sect, party, or person
Now, since you can’t follow teachings of your own opinion, atheism has no tenants as Push uses the word. And that’s a descriptive statement, not a prescriptive statement, so your “except for that one” argument is a non-sequitur here.

The only “tenant” atheism has is in the “opinion” sense of the word; The opinion that God doesn’t exist. However, calling it a “tenant” in an attempt to equate it to a theistic religion is underhanded as the only “tenant” of atheism is tautologically the case and bares no resemblance to the doctrine-based Christian tenants.

Don’t any of you start thinking that I’m saying having doctrine based tenants is what makes or breaks one’s position, now. After all, there IS a doctrine of evolution (it’s just much more well-backed than the bible) and theism on it’s own has no tenants in the same way atheism on it’s own has no tenants.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

There are no atheist tenets.

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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…
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Well, it’s lack of any tenets. Not just the disbelief in god.
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If your definition of “things” includes everything that those “things” are not, any dictionary authored by you would be infinitely long before you got to the second word. Your point is moot.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

There are no atheist tenets.

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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…
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Well, it’s lack of any tenets. Not just the disbelief in god.
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It is not a requirement of Atheism for one to hold no tenets, only to not believe in god.

Many Atheists have tenets, but it is not solely a symptom of their Atheism, it’s a result of other systems of thought and rationalization, their society, their family, and even a symptom of their own atheistic religion system i.e Buddhist and Humanist Tenets.
So, though an Atheist can be religious, it is not required of atheists to be, therefore it cannot be a religion.

There are Atheist religions.
But simply being atheist does not make one part of a religion any more than being monotheist makes one Christian, Jewish, etc.

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[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

There are no atheist tenets.

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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…
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Well, it’s lack of any tenets. Not just the disbelief in god.
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It is not a requirement of Atheism for one to hold no tenets, only to not believe in god.

Many Atheists have tenets, but it is not solely a symptom of their Atheism, it’s a result of other systems of thought and rationalization, their society, their family, and even a symptom of their own atheistic religion system i.e Buddhist and Humanist Tenets.
So, though an Atheist can be religious, it is not required of atheists to be, therefore it cannot be a religion.

There are Atheist religions.
But simply being atheist does not make one part of a religion any more than being monotheist makes one Christian, Jewish, etc.

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And what tenets (or, kind of) separate the religious atheist from the non? This is not a leading question. Just seeing where you’re at.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

There are no atheist tenets.

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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…
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Well, it’s lack of any tenets. Not just the disbelief in god.
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It is not a requirement of Atheism for one to hold no tenets, only to not believe in god.

Many Atheists have tenets, but it is not solely a symptom of their Atheism, it’s a result of other systems of thought and rationalization, their society, their family, and even a symptom of their own atheistic religion system i.e Buddhist and Humanist Tenets.
So, though an Atheist can be religious, it is not required of atheists to be, therefore it cannot be a religion.

There are Atheist religions.
But simply being atheist does not make one part of a religion any more than being monotheist makes one Christian, Jewish, etc.

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And what tenets (or, kind of) separate the religious atheist from the non? This is not a leading question. Just seeing where you’re at. [/quote]

Primarily the belief in the importance of man and his role in the universe, and the advancement of peace, science, and open-mindedness.
Hence most religious atheists will not belittle non-atheists.

Unless, I suppose…
You could say that most Atheists these days are leaning more towards Anarchistic beliefs, ie the belief that everything is permissible and that there are no rules because there is no god. Unfortunately this could sum up a lot of Atheists…
A lot of dumb folks, too lazy to assign their own meaning to life.
Parasites.

Focusing on the masses is never healthy though, so lets ignore them.
Lets focus on the wonderful potential that Atheism has for human compassion and advancement, religions such as Buddhism and Humanism are amazing institutions that breed wonderful human beings for the most part.

So I suppose, the key tenets for most Atheistic religions, is that there is meaning without god.

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[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

So I suppose, the key tenets for most Atheistic religions, is that there is meaning without god.
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But I don’t think there is an ultimate meaning to life. Does that mean I’m not an atheist?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]iVoodoo wrote:

So I suppose, the key tenets for most Atheistic religions, is that there is meaning without god.
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But I don’t think there is an ultimate meaning to life. Does that mean I’m not an atheist?[/quote]

If you don’t believe in god, you’re an Atheist.
If you don’t believe in ANY meaning (not necesarily a Grand meaning) you are not religious.

Atheism is simply not believing in God.
The formation of moral standards and ethical practices devoid of god is atheistic religion.