Atheism =/= Atheistic Religion.
Atheism = Lack of belief in a god.
Atheistic Religion = A set of moral standards, ethical practices, tenets, explanations of existence, etc. all used to provide structure for one’s life devoid of the influence of a “God.”
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
…explanations of existence…[/quote]
Like an “abiotic synthesis of organic compound, then macromolecules, the protobionts, then prokaryotes, and so on” type of explanation of existence?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
…explanations of existence…[/quote]
Like an “abiotic synthesis of organic compound, then macromolecules, the protobionts, then prokaryotes, and so on” type of explanation of existence? [/quote]
Yes, science can be a tenet of religion.
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
Sorry, that last post came off as superior.
That is not the impression I wish to put forth.
I merely wish to state that a religion is a special thing, it is a lifestyle, a theory on the makeup of the universe, and the role of life within.
It is not simply a belief.
Atheism is no more a religion than monotheism, or polytheism.
However like stated before, Buddhism, Humanism, both atheist philosophies, are very much religions.
Assigning religious status to “Atheists” not only does a disservice to the immense amount of thought and discipline that goes in to a real religion, it assigns inaccurate meaning to a practically meaningless belief.
So you don’t believe in god, what’s next then?
If the “atheist” can answer this question with a set of beliefs and a code to abide by daily, universally, then they are religious.
If not, then they are merely idiots.
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I like the way you think, but I’m saddened by your last statement. Does not knowing the answer to something that by definition is impossible to know, really make someone an idiot?
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
There are no atheist tenets.
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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…
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Well, it’s lack of any tenets. Not just the disbelief in god.
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It is not a requirement of Atheism for one to hold no tenets, only to not believe in god.
Many Atheists have tenets, but it is not solely a symptom of their Atheism, it’s a result of other systems of thought and rationalization, their society, their family, and even a symptom of their own atheistic religion system i.e Buddhist and Humanist Tenets.
So, though an Atheist can be religious, it is not required of atheists to be, therefore it cannot be a religion.
There are Atheist religions.
But simply being atheist does not make one part of a religion any more than being monotheist makes one Christian, Jewish, etc.
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And what tenets (or, kind of) separate the religious atheist from the non? This is not a leading question. Just seeing where you’re at. [/quote]
Primarily the belief in the importance of man and his role in the universe, and the advancement of peace, science, and open-mindedness.
Hence most religious atheists will not belittle non-atheists.
Unless, I suppose…
You could say that most Atheists these days are leaning more towards Anarchistic beliefs, ie the belief that everything is permissible and that there are no rules because there is no god. Unfortunately this could sum up a lot of Atheists…
A lot of dumb folks, too lazy to assign their own meaning to life.
Parasites.
Focusing on the masses is never healthy though, so lets ignore them.
Lets focus on the wonderful potential that Atheism has for human compassion and advancement, religions such as Buddhism and Humanism are amazing institutions that breed wonderful human beings for the most part.
So I suppose, the key tenets for most Atheistic religions, is that there is meaning without god.
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I’ve never met an atheist who thinks everything in permissible. Where did you meet one?
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You seem to have so much hate for the atheist population. Why? What have your experiences with actual atheists been like?
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
There are no atheist tenets.
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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…
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Well, it’s lack of any tenets. Not just the disbelief in god.
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It is not a requirement of Atheism for one to hold no tenets, only to not believe in god.
Many Atheists have tenets, but it is not solely a symptom of their Atheism, it’s a result of other systems of thought and rationalization, their society, their family, and even a symptom of their own atheistic religion system i.e Buddhist and Humanist Tenets.
So, though an Atheist can be religious, it is not required of atheists to be, therefore it cannot be a religion.
There are Atheist religions.
But simply being atheist does not make one part of a religion any more than being monotheist makes one Christian, Jewish, etc.
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And what tenets (or, kind of) separate the religious atheist from the non? This is not a leading question. Just seeing where you’re at. [/quote]
Primarily the belief in the importance of man and his role in the universe, and the advancement of peace, science, and open-mindedness.
Hence most religious atheists will not belittle non-atheists.
Unless, I suppose…
You could say that most Atheists these days are leaning more towards Anarchistic beliefs, ie the belief that everything is permissible and that there are no rules because there is no god. Unfortunately this could sum up a lot of Atheists…
A lot of dumb folks, too lazy to assign their own meaning to life.
Parasites.
Focusing on the masses is never healthy though, so lets ignore them.
Lets focus on the wonderful potential that Atheism has for human compassion and advancement, religions such as Buddhism and Humanism are amazing institutions that breed wonderful human beings for the most part.
So I suppose, the key tenets for most Atheistic religions, is that there is meaning without god.
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I’ve never met an atheist who thinks everything in permissible. Where did you meet one?
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You seem to have so much hate for the atheist population. Why? What have your experiences with actual atheists been like?
I don’t have too much experience with these types of people because they are idiots and I avoid them. But I don’t think Anarchists have really put much thought into God’s existence. They are really more Anti Christian and don’t believe in God only because Christians do believe. Sloth would probably disagree with me.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
I don’t have too much experience with these types of people because they are idiots and I avoid them. But I don’t think Anarchists have really put much thought into God’s existence. They are really more Anti Christian and don’t believe in God only because Christians do believe. Sloth would probably disagree with me.[/quote]
Have you ever really met one?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
War, abortion, theft, fraud, murder, wealth redistribution, etc.
No one denies the ability of the flesh to feel empathy or hatred. Don’t forget the hatred. Or, the sloth, envy, lust, etc. It’s the assigning of value as to what must be the ‘good’ life that science can not answer. [/quote]
Just logged in to tell you that you are a moron.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
I don’t have too much experience with these types of people because they are idiots and I avoid them. But I don’t think Anarchists have really put much thought into God’s existence. They are really more Anti Christian and don’t believe in God only because Christians do believe. Sloth would probably disagree with me.[/quote]
/shrug
Don’t care either way.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
Sorry, that last post came off as superior.
That is not the impression I wish to put forth.
I merely wish to state that a religion is a special thing, it is a lifestyle, a theory on the makeup of the universe, and the role of life within.
It is not simply a belief.
Atheism is no more a religion than monotheism, or polytheism.
However like stated before, Buddhism, Humanism, both atheist philosophies, are very much religions.
Assigning religious status to “Atheists” not only does a disservice to the immense amount of thought and discipline that goes in to a real religion, it assigns inaccurate meaning to a practically meaningless belief.
So you don’t believe in god, what’s next then?
If the “atheist” can answer this question with a set of beliefs and a code to abide by daily, universally, then they are religious.
If not, then they are merely idiots.
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I like the way you think, but I’m saddened by your last statement. Does not knowing the answer to something that by definition is impossible to know, really make someone an idiot?
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No, of course not.
That’s not I intended by that statement at all.
The universe is infinitely complex and virtually unknowable.
I merely meant that people who do nothing but hurt, steal, and take pleasure in selfish pursuits, all because of a perceived lack of an omnipotent god, are idiots.
Edit: Replace idiots with irresponsible.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
There are no atheist tenets.
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Except for that one?
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Yes, except for a disbelief in god.
Which is it’s definition…
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Well, it’s lack of any tenets. Not just the disbelief in god.
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It is not a requirement of Atheism for one to hold no tenets, only to not believe in god.
Many Atheists have tenets, but it is not solely a symptom of their Atheism, it’s a result of other systems of thought and rationalization, their society, their family, and even a symptom of their own atheistic religion system i.e Buddhist and Humanist Tenets.
So, though an Atheist can be religious, it is not required of atheists to be, therefore it cannot be a religion.
There are Atheist religions.
But simply being atheist does not make one part of a religion any more than being monotheist makes one Christian, Jewish, etc.
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And what tenets (or, kind of) separate the religious atheist from the non? This is not a leading question. Just seeing where you’re at. [/quote]
Primarily the belief in the importance of man and his role in the universe, and the advancement of peace, science, and open-mindedness.
Hence most religious atheists will not belittle non-atheists.
Unless, I suppose…
You could say that most Atheists these days are leaning more towards Anarchistic beliefs, ie the belief that everything is permissible and that there are no rules because there is no god. Unfortunately this could sum up a lot of Atheists…
A lot of dumb folks, too lazy to assign their own meaning to life.
Parasites.
Focusing on the masses is never healthy though, so lets ignore them.
Lets focus on the wonderful potential that Atheism has for human compassion and advancement, religions such as Buddhism and Humanism are amazing institutions that breed wonderful human beings for the most part.
So I suppose, the key tenets for most Atheistic religions, is that there is meaning without god.
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I’ve never met an atheist who thinks everything in permissible. Where did you meet one?
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You seem to have so much hate for the atheist population. Why? What have your experiences with actual atheists been like?
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I’m in college now, recently out of high-school, you’d be amazed at how many I have met.
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I do not hate Atheists at all, really. I would never generalize a group of people like that. I don’t know how I put forth this vibe, but I’m sorry if that’s what you got from my posts.
Edit: I’d also like to omit the word “most” in my original post and replace with the majority of young people I’ve met personally, an admittedly shallow reference.
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
I merely meant that people who do nothing but hurt, steal, and take pleasure in selfish pursuits, all because of a perceived lack of an omnipotent god, are idiots.[/quote]
Weeeeellll…
Really they’d only be idiots if they didn’t think someone might be upset with being stolen from.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
This Voodoo feller is turning out to be quite the preacher.[/quote]
Have I offended you?
I’m sorry for any negative impact I may have had on your day.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
I merely meant that people who do nothing but hurt, steal, and take pleasure in selfish pursuits, all because of a perceived lack of an omnipotent god, are idiots.[/quote]
Weeeeellll…
Really they’d only be idiots if they didn’t think someone might be upset with being stolen from.
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Perhaps I should replace idiots with, “irresposible.”
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
- I’m in college now, recently out of high-school, you’d be amazed at how many I have met.
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Quintessential PWI know-it-all.
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Quite opposite really.
I know that I have much to learn.
So please, instead of jumping to internet dicksizing and personal attacks, educate me.
I’m open to your opinion, whether you are to mine or not.