I see you must be learning the difference between adjectives and contractions this week in high school. It has been a while for me and I easily forget.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
I see you must be learning the difference between adjectives and contractions this week in high school. It has been a while for me and I easily forget.[/quote]
Frankly, given the counter arguments you made, I’m surprised any of those words are spelled correctly.
Off =/= undefined. Off is off. What channel the T.V. happens to be on when you turn it on is irrelevant because once you turn it on, it’s no longer off. If you were an atheist, then became a Jew, that doesn’t mean your religion was “undefined” before. It means you had no religion, then you joined one. No one should ever have to explain the concept of “off” to a grown ass man.
“Not fishing” means you may be using that time for another hobby? What is even the point you’re trying to make here? If I’m a “not Jew” because I’m a Hindu, is atheism a religion? << Is that what you’re getting at?
A TV can be on or off, you said “TV channel” which is different than a “TV” and the on or off state is not applicable when talking about channels.
Anyways you said Atheism is the belief in non-belief. If that counts as no religion, how is Buddhism a religion when its members are considered atheists.
Religion is, “a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.”
Atheism is, “the doctrine or belief that there is no God.”
The simple disbelief in something is in no manner a religion.
The only reason I see for someone to raise such a preposterous point lies in their misunderstanding of the definition of the terms.
Buddhism is essentially atheist, as is humanism, they are both religions.
Religion =/= Strong Belief.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
A TV can be on or off, you said “TV channel” which is different than a “TV” and the on or off state is not applicable when talking about channels.
Anyways you said Atheism is the belief in non-belief. If that counts as no religion, how is Buddhism a religion when its members are considered atheists.[/quote]
Obviously “off” is not a channel. That’s my point entirely. How do you not get this? … If you didn’t get this, then exactly what point do you think you’re arguing against? “Off” is a T.V. channel in the same way atheism is a religion. If you don’t think “off” is a channel, then you’re applying a double standard when you say atheism is a religion. << This is what I’m implying.
Any ways, if a “no cheese pizza” is non-dairy, how can a cheese pizza be dairy when both are pizzas?
I find it funny in one post he used this as an example
[quote]ranengin wrote:
“I have faith that pushharder is an intelligent human being. Should this belief be considered a religious belief?”[/quote]
and then in his very last post
[quote]ranengin wrote:
“You’re a fucking idiot. You always have been and you always will be.”[/quote]
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
A TV can be on or off, you said “TV channel” which is different than a “TV” and the on or off state is not applicable when talking about channels.
Anyways you said Atheism is the belief in non-belief. If that counts as no religion, how is Buddhism a religion when its members are considered atheists.[/quote]
Obviously “off” is not a channel. That’s my point entirely. How do you not get this? … If you didn’t get this, then exactly what point do you think you’re arguing against? “Off” is a T.V. channel in the same way atheism is a religion. If you don’t think “off” is a channel, then you’re applying a double standard when you say atheism is a religion. << This is what I’m implying.
Any ways, if a “no cheese pizza” is non-dairy, how can a cheese pizza be dairy when both are pizzas?
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My go to example is: atheism is a religion as much as baldness is a hair colour.
Atheism is the belief that there is no God. Religion by definition does not require a belief in a higher power. What is the basis for saying atheism is not a religion when the definitions of both don’t contradict one another. Keep in mind there are atheist churches that hold ceremonies.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Atheism is the belief that there is no God. Religion by definition does not require a belief in a higher power. What is the basis for saying atheism is not a religion when the definitions of both don’t contradict one another. Keep in mind there are atheist churches that hold ceremonies.[/quote]
Show me these atheist churches you speak of.
Atheism is the LACK of a belief in a god. If conclusive evidence came forth that there was a god, most of us would cease to be atheists.
Person A: Jesus is the son of god!
Person B: I don’t believe you.
Atheism is I don’t believe you. Is that a religion to you?
The basis for saying atheism is not a religion is that it has no tenets, dogma or scriptures and there is no worship occurring.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Show me these atheist churches you speak of.
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[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Show me these atheist churches you speak of.
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http://firstchurchofatheism.com/[/quote]
This is nothing more than a fringe group. It’s the equivalent of using Westboro Baptist Church to represent the average Christian.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The basis for saying atheism is not a religion is that it has no tenets, dogma or scriptures and there is no worship occurring.
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It’s funny to keep this in mind while watching an argument over who is doing atheism ‘right.’
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Show me these atheist churches you speak of.
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http://firstchurchofatheism.com/[/quote]
This is nothing more than a fringe group. It’s the equivalent of using Westboro Baptist Church to represent the average Christian.[/quote]
See?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Show me these atheist churches you speak of.
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http://firstchurchofatheism.com/[/quote]
This is nothing more than a fringe group. It’s the equivalent of using Westboro Baptist Church to represent the average Christian.[/quote]
What makes them the fringe group? Do Christians who don’t attend church not belong to the religion just because they aren’t doing what others are?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The basis for saying atheism is not a religion is that it has no tenets, dogma or scriptures and there is no worship occurring.
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It’s funny to keep this in mind while watching an argument over who is doing atheism ‘right.’ [/quote]
I’ve never even heard of this and I doubt most atheists have.
It’s not about who is doing it ‘right’ but an accurate depiction of what it actually is. So some idiots are trying to portray atheism as a religion and having churches. There’s a sucker born every minute and money to be made off them.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Show me these atheist churches you speak of.
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http://firstchurchofatheism.com/[/quote]
This is nothing more than a fringe group. It’s the equivalent of using Westboro Baptist Church to represent the average Christian.[/quote]
What makes them the fringe group? Do Christians who don’t attend church not belong to the religion just because they aren’t doing what others are?[/quote]
No, no no.
The fact that almost no atheist attends these ‘churches,’ or even acknowledge the possibility for an atheist church to exist.
There isn’t widely held atheist scripture
There aren’t any widely held dogmas
I used the example of raeliens in the past. They’re an atheistic religion that believes extra terrestrials started the human species. I share NOTHING in common with these people even though we’re both atheists.
They only prerequisite to be an atheist is to have a lack of belief in a god. Anything on top of that is just added.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
There aren’t any widely held dogmas even if this group has some…
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Oh but there is.
The evidence is splattered all over this board.
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What may those be?