To the die hard Christians here at T-Nation…
Your “internal moral compass” has been set by your environment and personal experiences.
If you agree with this statement, do you agree that you would most likely be a Muslim if you had been born and raised in Iran?
[quote]ranengin wrote:
To the die hard Christians here at T-Nation…
Your “internal moral compass” has been set by your environment and personal experiences.
If you agree with this statement, do you agree that you would most likely be a Muslim if you had been born and raised in Iran?[/quote]
Of course…
Possible I would’ve been a slave owner if I had been born to a plantation owner, too.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Possible I would’ve been a slave owner if I had been born to a plantation owner, too. [/quote]
Then possibly the vast majority of christians are only christians due to societal brainwashing and not because of any rational decision on their part?
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Possible I would’ve been a slave owner if I had been born to a plantation owner, too. [/quote]
Then possibly the vast majority of christians are only christians due to societal brainwashing and not because of any rational decision on their part?
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You say brainwashing, I say upbringing.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Possible I would’ve been a slave owner if I had been born to a plantation owner, too. [/quote]
Then possibly the vast majority of christians are only christians due to societal brainwashing and not because of any rational decision on their part?
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You say brainwashing, I say upbringing.
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The vast majority of christians are only christians due to brainwashing/upbringing and not because of any rational decision or intelligent thought on their part.
Is this a more satisfying statement?
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Possible I would’ve been a slave owner if I had been born to a plantation owner, too. [/quote]
Then possibly the vast majority of christians are only christians due to societal brainwashing and not because of any rational decision on their part?
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You say brainwashing, I say upbringing.
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The vast majority of christians are only christians due to brainwashing/upbringing and not because of any rational decision or intelligent thought on their part.
Is this a more satisfying statement?
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No. Upbringing, will do.
The vast majority of people do respect the wisdom collected by their ancestors throughout millenias.
Only a small minority think they have figured it out themselves. Rationally. Usually at 16.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Possible I would’ve been a slave owner if I had been born to a plantation owner, too. [/quote]
Then possibly the vast majority of christians are only christians due to societal brainwashing and not because of any rational decision on their part?
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You say brainwashing, I say upbringing.
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The vast majority of christians are only christians due to brainwashing/upbringing and not because of any rational decision or intelligent thought on their part.
Is this a more satisfying statement?
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No. Upbringing, will do.
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Upbringing sure is a powerful thing. It can turn a child into a muslim or a christian or a racist or a headhunter. Such a powerful mind controlling influence could easily be construed as… brainwashing.
[quote]kamui wrote:
The vast majority of people do respect the wisdom collected by their ancestors throughout millenias.
Only a small minority think they have figured it out themselves. Rationally. Usually at 16.
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Is wisdom the best word to use here?
An upbringing can include racism and other socially repugnant beliefs.
I remember walking into my old Church with friends after starting the question its beliefs. It was eerie hearing 2-5 year old children singing the bible songs that I grew up loving. Suddenly, instead of thinking “They’re so precious!” it crossed my mind “Holy shit we start young. We’re singing this belief system by heart before we can pronounce most words. This is basically brainwashing.”
However, the actual definition of brainwashing implies intentional abuse. So, no, religions are not brainwashing their young for the most part. They’re just programming them.
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Possible I would’ve been a slave owner if I had been born to a plantation owner, too. [/quote]
Then possibly the vast majority of christians are only christians due to societal brainwashing and not because of any rational decision on their part?
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You say brainwashing, I say upbringing.
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The vast majority of christians are only christians due to brainwashing/upbringing and not because of any rational decision or intelligent thought on their part.
Is this a more satisfying statement?
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No. Upbringing, will do.
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Upbringing sure is a powerful thing. It can turn a child into a muslim or a christian or a racist or a headhunter. Such a powerful mind controlling influence could easily be construed as… brainwashing.
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Or an upbringing could turn a child into an atheist, socialist, capitalist, philanthropist, or thief, and so and so forth.
Religiosity is one of the more widespread human conditions in human history. Perhaps in the quest to identify abnormal mental states/being we might consider the norm.
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Possible I would’ve been a slave owner if I had been born to a plantation owner, too. [/quote]
Then possibly the vast majority of christians are only christians due to societal brainwashing and not because of any rational decision on their part?
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You say brainwashing, I say upbringing.
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The vast majority of christians are only christians due to brainwashing/upbringing and not because of any rational decision or intelligent thought on their part.
Is this a more satisfying statement?
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No. Upbringing, will do.
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Upbringing sure is a powerful thing. It can turn a child into a muslim or a christian or a racist or a headhunter. Such a powerful mind controlling influence could easily be construed as… brainwashing.
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By the way, if you truly believe it’s ‘brainwashing,’ then it’s child abuse. Contact your representatives and have this child abuse outlawed. Children should be removed from the home and the parents put in prison. Please be brave, voice your support for just that starting right here on this forum. Do it for the children.
This thread is fucking stupid. My “internal moral compass” is directed by what I think is wrong and right.
CS
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
I was raised a Christian and still am one. I’m not brainwashed. I’ve figured out that this world is too complicated for all of it to happen by accident. There’s your rational and intelligent thought.
CS[/quote]
[quote]Oleena wrote:
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The vast majority of christians are only christians due to social indoctrination and not because of any rational decision or intelligent thought on their part.
How about this?
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
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The vast majority of christians are only christians due to social indoctrination and not because of any rational decision or intelligent thought on their part.
How about this?
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Yes.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
I was raised a Christian and still am one. I’m not brainwashed. I’ve figured out that this world is too complicated for all of it to happen by accident. There’s your rational and intelligent thought.
CS[/quote]
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Do you think you would most likely be a muslim if you had been born and raised in Iran?
[quote]ranengin wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
I was raised a Christian and still am one. I’m not brainwashed. I’ve figured out that this world is too complicated for all of it to happen by accident. There’s your rational and intelligent thought.
CS[/quote]
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Do you think you would most likely be a muslim if you had been born and raised in Iran?[/quote]
Do you?