Roots of Human Morality

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well I think we are making progress now. We finally agree that humans are the ones who decide good and evil otherwise they would be unable to determine the christ from the anti-christ.[/quote]

Well no, we identify what is good. We don’t make it the good.
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If you agree god does things that our puny minds can’t always comprehend, how can you possibly identify everything that is good?

Is it not possible for god to command something that is actually good, that we can’t see why and may even appear wrong?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

If you agree god does things that our puny minds can’t always comprehend, how can you possibly identify everything that is good?[/quote]

I can’t. And ignorance may, and only MAY, limit culpability for certain things. But I am constrained by what has been identified as the good. None of us will make it to judgment sinless.

Sure, but it would be good. In the case of Christianity, no new messiah is coming to have us slaughter the innocent. We don’t just believe in a god, but God.

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If you want to construct hypothetical gods to carry out hyothetical scenarios, find some hypothetical followers of that hypothetical god.

The Christian God comes with his own ‘stuff.’

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well I think we are making progress now. We finally agree that humans are the ones who decide good and evil otherwise they would be unable to determine the christ from the anti-christ.[/quote]

I think you made an agreement with your crack pipe. If humans were to decide good and evil, then morality would be relative which it most certainly is not. You regressed back a few pages in this conversation.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well I think we are making progress now. We finally agree that humans are the ones who decide good and evil otherwise they would be unable to determine the christ from the anti-christ.[/quote]

Well no, we identify what is good. We don’t make it the good.
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If you agree god does things that our puny minds can’t always comprehend, how can you possibly identify everything that is good?
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Who said anything about identifying ‘everything’ that is good. What is it you think you grand mind is so capable of that would nullify the necessarily omniscient mind of God?

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Is it not possible for god to command something that is actually good, that we can’t see why and may even appear wrong?[/quote]

Happens all the time. Do you live in a two dimensional world?

Quit leading, what is it you really want to know? I think we have been more than accommodating with our answers so long is they are not ridiculous or absurd.

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[quote]pat wrote:
I didn’t actually render an opinion on it. I just said that if God were to do something like that, there would be a damn good reason, it would not be just willy-nilly and random. [/quote]

God has commanded killing before. Since you’re still a Catholic, it’s safe to assume that you are of the opinion that God’s justifications for killing are adequate. Am I wrong?
Consider the justifications God uses for this scenario to be just as adequate to you.

… Cool story bro?

Coward.

No one is saying anything about evil. You define goodness by godliness, do you not? Your God has commanded killing before and I’m assuming you’ve decided those killings were justified.

How about this; What if God commanded you to kill Hitler. Would you?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So that brings the question, is it possible to not have a religion? If so give 1 example[/quote]

I’ve answered this before but you’ve surely missed it.

EVERYONE has faith in something. We all live our lives by faith to some degree or another.

You, me, Olee, Tirib, Raj, Eph, Obama, John Doe, Plato, Tom Coughlin, Whitney Houston, Genghis Khan, the plumber down the street.

See Romans 1.[/quote]

The definition that faith EQLs religion seems inadequate.

I have faith that pushharder is an intelligent human being. Should this belief be considered a religious belief?

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[quote]pat wrote:
Quit leading, what is it you really want to know? I think we have been more than accommodating with our answers so long as the questions are easy and don’t pose the risk of revealing any contradictions in my philosophy.[/quote]

Fixed.

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“roots of human morality” ?

Well…
there is nothing “human” in morality.
Morality is the (rare and usually vain) effort some humans do to transcend their own humanity :slight_smile:

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well I think we are making progress now. We finally agree that humans are the ones who decide good and evil otherwise they would be unable to determine the christ from the anti-christ.[/quote]

I think you made an agreement with your crack pipe. If humans were to decide good and evil, then morality would be relative which it most certainly is not. You regressed back a few pages in this conversation.[/quote]

I meant they decide if some given action is good or evil. Not a huge different though, but Christians are basically relative moralists.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So that brings the question, is it possible to not have a religion? If so give 1 example[/quote]

I’ve answered this before but you’ve surely missed it.

EVERYONE has faith in something. We all live our lives by faith to some degree or another.

You, me, Olee, Tirib, Raj, Eph, Obama, John Doe, Plato, Tom Coughlin, Whitney Houston, Genghis Khan, the plumber down the street.

See Romans 1.[/quote]

The definition that faith EQLs religion seems inadequate.

I have faith that pushharder is an intelligent human being. Should this belief be considered a religious belief?
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You’re missing the point. Think.[/quote]

You seem to be very concerned with trying to convince everyone that atheism is a religion (correct?).

But for this belief to hold, the definition of what a religion is would need to be opened to such a broad degree that organizations like the America National Standards Institute and the Boy Scouts of America would both be considered religions as well.

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[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So that brings the question, is it possible to not have a religion? If so give 1 example[/quote]

I’ve answered this before but you’ve surely missed it.

EVERYONE has faith in something. We all live our lives by faith to some degree or another.

You, me, Olee, Tirib, Raj, Eph, Obama, John Doe, Plato, Tom Coughlin, Whitney Houston, Genghis Khan, the plumber down the street.

See Romans 1.[/quote]

The definition that faith EQLs religion seems inadequate.

I have faith that pushharder is an intelligent human being. Should this belief be considered a religious belief?
[/quote]

You’re missing the point. Think.[/quote]

You seem to be very concerned with trying to convince everyone that atheism is a religion (correct?).

But for this belief to hold, the definition of what a religion is would need to be opened to such a broad degree that organizations like the America National Standards Institute and the Boy Scouts of America would both be considered religions as well.

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That’s the point the definition is really broad. It has nothing to do with faith either and organizations like ANSI and BSA. By definition those are a social group with a common goal, religions don’t have to be social or have a goal.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So that brings the question, is it possible to not have a religion? If so give 1 example[/quote]

I’ve answered this before but you’ve surely missed it.

EVERYONE has faith in something. We all live our lives by faith to some degree or another.

You, me, Olee, Tirib, Raj, Eph, Obama, John Doe, Plato, Tom Coughlin, Whitney Houston, Genghis Khan, the plumber down the street.

See Romans 1.[/quote]

The definition that faith EQLs religion seems inadequate.

I have faith that pushharder is an intelligent human being. Should this belief be considered a religious belief?
[/quote]

You’re missing the point. Think.[/quote]

You seem to be very concerned with trying to convince everyone that atheism is a religion (correct?).

But for this belief to hold, the definition of what a religion is would need to be opened to such a broad degree that organizations like the America National Standards Institute and the Boy Scouts of America would both be considered religions as well.

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Belief systems that involve, even require, faith are essentially religions. Atheism fits the bill.

To a T.
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Nearly all briefs require a measure of faith: the moon is not made out if cheese; radio waves are part of the electro-magnetic spectrum ; my wife loves me…

It seems absurd to define these beliefs as “essentially religious”.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So that brings the question, is it possible to not have a religion? If so give 1 example[/quote]

I’ve answered this before but you’ve surely missed it.

EVERYONE has faith in something. We all live our lives by faith to some degree or another.

You, me, Olee, Tirib, Raj, Eph, Obama, John Doe, Plato, Tom Coughlin, Whitney Houston, Genghis Khan, the plumber down the street.

See Romans 1.[/quote]

The definition that faith EQLs religion seems inadequate.

I have faith that pushharder is an intelligent human being. Should this belief be considered a religious belief?
[/quote]

You’re missing the point. Think.[/quote]

You seem to be very concerned with trying to convince everyone that atheism is a religion (correct?).

But for this belief to hold, the definition of what a religion is would need to be opened to such a broad degree that organizations like the America National Standards Institute and the Boy Scouts of America would both be considered religions as well.

[/quote]

Belief systems that involve, even require, faith are essentially religions. Atheism fits the bill.

To a T.
[/quote]

Atheism is the belief in non-belief. If that makes it a religion, then “off” is a T.V. channel and “not fishing” is a hobby.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So that brings the question, is it possible to not have a religion? If so give 1 example[/quote]

I’ve answered this before but you’ve surely missed it.

EVERYONE has faith in something. We all live our lives by faith to some degree or another.

You, me, Olee, Tirib, Raj, Eph, Obama, John Doe, Plato, Tom Coughlin, Whitney Houston, Genghis Khan, the plumber down the street.

See Romans 1.[/quote]

The definition that faith EQLs religion seems inadequate.

I have faith that pushharder is an intelligent human being. Should this belief be considered a religious belief?
[/quote]

You’re missing the point. Think.[/quote]

You seem to be very concerned with trying to convince everyone that atheism is a religion (correct?).

But for this belief to hold, the definition of what a religion is would need to be opened to such a broad degree that organizations like the America National Standards Institute and the Boy Scouts of America would both be considered religions as well.

[/quote]

Belief systems that involve, even require, faith are essentially religions. Atheism fits the bill.

To a T.
[/quote]

Nearly all briefs require a measure of faith: the moon is not made out if cheese; radio waves are part of the electro-magnetic spectrum ; my wife loves me…

It seems absurd to define these beliefs as “essentially religious”.
[/quote]

You’re not getting it and that’s fine. You have a preconceived notion you are desperate to support. Don’t sweat it.

Google other threads where I’ve talked a little more in depth on this subject. I’m not ambitious enough now to school the likes of you.

No hard feelings though. Adios.[/quote]

You’re a fucking idiot. You always have been and you always will be.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]ranengin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So that brings the question, is it possible to not have a religion? If so give 1 example[/quote]

I’ve answered this before but you’ve surely missed it.

EVERYONE has faith in something. We all live our lives by faith to some degree or another.

You, me, Olee, Tirib, Raj, Eph, Obama, John Doe, Plato, Tom Coughlin, Whitney Houston, Genghis Khan, the plumber down the street.

See Romans 1.[/quote]

The definition that faith EQLs religion seems inadequate.

I have faith that pushharder is an intelligent human being. Should this belief be considered a religious belief?
[/quote]

You’re missing the point. Think.[/quote]

You seem to be very concerned with trying to convince everyone that atheism is a religion (correct?).

But for this belief to hold, the definition of what a religion is would need to be opened to such a broad degree that organizations like the America National Standards Institute and the Boy Scouts of America would both be considered religions as well.

[/quote]

Belief systems that involve, even require, faith are essentially religions. Atheism fits the bill.

To a T.
[/quote]

Atheism is the belief in non-belief. If that makes it a religion, then “off” is a T.V. channel and “not fishing” is a hobby. [/quote]

The channel for a TV turned off is undefined so that is a bad example. And if your not fishing your doing something else which might be a hobby.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

The channel for a TV turned off is undefined so that is a bad example. And if your not fishing your doing something else which might be a hobby.[/quote]

I’m adopting the gold standard for this post. Using the wrong “you’re” sealed the deal on this.