Rippetoe Ripped Apart

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[quote]kohala wrote:

[quote]Pantherhare wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
For fucks sake. Rip never talked about muscle growth. Not even once. So who are they arguing with?

“Mastodons like Doug Hepburn, Jim Williams, Doug Young, Roger Estep, Dorian Yates, Karwoski, Magnusson, and Hamman, have used basic barbell exercises with heavy weights to build strength and muscle, the likes of which have never been produced using exercise machines.” [/quote]

He talks about it right there in your quote about building muscle the likes that have never been produced using machines.

He has also said the following, “The fastest way to gain muscular bodyweight – the supposed goal of a bodybuilder – is with a linear progression on the basic barbell exercises. And 5s are the way this progression works best.”
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Problem on this site (which has become for 99% a “strenght training” site although all those “strenght” articles post pictures of bodybuilders)is that bodybuilders are smart enough not to step onto the territory of performance athletes/trainers, but these performance maniacs (most of the time guys who look like shit after having attempted in vain to look like a bodybuilder) have the audacity to come tell us bodybuilders what to do for hypertrophy!

This is the bodybuilding forum! Let’s just ignore this asshole Rippetoe. What does he know about hypertrophy?

Imagine a bodybuilder writing an article about performance and saying high rep isolation exercises are the only way for strenght!
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So I am Joe Schmo, a new T-Nation reader. I can’t bench my bodyweight yet, and I just nailed 135 for a single yesterday (Sooooo stoked about this. I have been hammering away for 2 months.) I have never done a full pull up, squatted, or deadlifted. How hard can it possibly be?

Some guy on here tells me that starting strength has no value for bodybuilders. I have no interest in strength sports. Strength is just a byproduct of my lifting. How would you tell this guy to progress (assuming he is eating well)?

A: Do starting strength (with some added work to make sure to not neglect bodyparts) until he can bench roughly 225, and then add some volume while still building up his strength. Then when he can get 225 for 3x5 move him to a real bodybuilding routine.

B: Tell him to pick a bodybuilding routine and eat. (This is often all the advice new guys get.)

Starting strength is not a bodybuilding routine. READ THE NAME. It is a beginners program that is designed to teach new guys HOW to lift, while giving them a bit of a strength base.

Who will get more out of a straight BB program like GVT? The guy who can bench 225 for 10x10 beautiful controlled/smooth reps, or the guy who is grinding 135 for a single with his ass flyin off the bench and bouncing the bar off his sternum?

And for my last question…Here is a guy who eats 3500+ calories a day. His squat has gone from 155 for 3x5 on starting strength to 315 for 8 deep reps after a 3 monts of SS and a year of 5/3/1. What happened to that guy’s weight in the roughly 16 months he has been lifting? Any guesses?

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[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Perhaps his latest article should have been Rippetoe goes off…his medication.[/quote]

That’s a good one.

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Intra-peri workout nutrition is nice and all but in reality those who gain the most the benefit of it are the ones on slin/GH, the rest of the people it probably won’t affect them that much at all.

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[quote]JRT6 wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Perhaps his latest article should have been Rippetoe goes off…his medication.[/quote]

That’s a good one.[/quote]

I’m sorry guys, I lost focus. What exactly about ol’ Rip has been “ripped apart?”

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Rip should be listened to for those just starting out. I think his system builds a good base, but after SS stops working for you, better programs should be followed and other coaches such as JM, Jim Wendler, Dave Tate, and others can probably get you a much longer way than Rip can after you are no longer a newb.

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I started with SS, it gave me good strength and a good development on legs , but hardly any upper body work as stated above.

It was great to get the basic lifts form down, but it isn’t the be all end all as i used to think.

Lol, my friends used to tell me that i had “girl syndrome in the gym” in which i only trained legs with intensity on the gym and indeed, my favorite training day is still leg day.

Anyway, it’s an excellent program for a beginner and a valuable learning tool. For BB? obviously you have better options.