[quote]MinusTheColon wrote:
Without some type of disclaimer or qualifier, I do not think that it provides a helpful contribution. It distorts the discussion–it’s roughly as useful as the types of “20 days to huge arms” articles that are in muscle mags.[/quote]
I have 4600 posts on this forum. I’d be willing to bet I have talked about drugs in AT LEAST a few hundred of them. And the fact is, drugs only comprise a very short period in my training history. Less than 10%. Do I seriously need to start every post I write with this? Do I need to say ‘flipcollar the drug abuser checking in’? I generally only talk about it when I believe it needs to be stated, and in this case, I didn’t feel it was necessary. My post history is not private. I have been more than open enough about this stuff. I don’t masquerade as anyone but who I am.
Deal with it.[/quote]
I feel ya flipcollar. Other than not being sure that I am dedicated enough to take a step into the chemically assisted lifting game, I would be sad with people always acting like I don’t have to work hard in order to progress in the gym. My ego is probably too fragile haha. I started lifting to compensate for negative body issues and overall weakness, and I feel like I’ve worked too hard to then be told I’m taking shortcuts.
i have had visible abs [not ripped] several times in the past
if i was young and lived near a beach ,like go to the beach every weekend,
hell yea i would go through the effort to get ripped abs
but i am older
family get togethers tend to involve food
and currently my grand Daughters and i are learning to bake cookies cakes and brownies
you got to eat what you cook
so currently not worth the effort
[quote]MinusTheColon wrote:
In all honesty (and I believe this is the second time I’ve had to mention this issue), I don’t think of this as ripping on you so much as just providing the disclaimer you yourself should be providing. I would do the same to anyone else who does so, but you’re fairly singular in making posts about your own results in threads like this where you provide a summary of your results that does indeed reek of the muscle mag type of “get these results!” that probably aren’t realistic for the unassisted lifter. Not that having abs while being strong is impossible, but that your responses carry the type of braggadocio that goes beyond what would be normal expectations. So I have the same hesitance about its value as a worthwhile contribution as I do for the type of muscle mag things I referenced above.
So it’s not a matter of my disrespecting you individually–your posts just have, now on two occasions, stood out in the regard that I take issue with.[/quote]
As someone who had also gained a shitload of weight over several years before using, I can bet you Flip probably does almost the same things as he did when he was natural because ffs you don’t drop the things that gave you results FOR YEARS even when you finally decide to stick a needle in your ass, which makes the points you raised invalid.
I do not understand why you are still harping on this after his reply to you in the other thread. You sound like one of those inexperienced clowns who will discard what they’re doing and start doing endless dropsets and other nonsense after popping a couple of dbols.
[quote]MinusTheColon wrote:
In all honesty (and I believe this is the second time I’ve had to mention this issue), I don’t think of this as ripping on you so much as just providing the disclaimer you yourself should be providing. I would do the same to anyone else who does so, but you’re fairly singular in making posts about your own results in threads like this where you provide a summary of your results that does indeed reek of the muscle mag type of “get these results!” that probably aren’t realistic for the unassisted lifter. Not that having abs while being strong is impossible, but that your responses carry the type of braggadocio that goes beyond what would be normal expectations. So I have the same hesitance about its value as a worthwhile contribution as I do for the type of muscle mag things I referenced above.
So it’s not a matter of my disrespecting you individually–your posts just have, now on two occasions, stood out in the regard that I take issue with.[/quote]
As someone who had also gained a shitload of weight over several years before using, I can bet you Flip probably does almost the same things as he did when he was natural because ffs you don’t drop the things that give you results when you finally decide to stick a needle in your ass, which makes the points you raised invalid.
I do not understand why you are still harping on this after his reply to you in the other thread. You sound like one of those inexperienced clowns who will discard what they’re doing and start doing endless dropsets and other nonsense after popping a couple of dbols.[/quote]
lol@ the last sentence.
You’re correct. I’ve changed almost nothing in my training. I haven’t started hitting the gym 7 days a week, I’m not doing 4 hour workouts, I’m not using any super-advanced techniques that are unavailable to natural lifters.
I’m doing the same stuff I’ve been doing for several years, which basically amounts to a very loose take on 5/3/1. My results have been great, but it’s not like my physique has done like a complete 180. I look mostly the same, just a little better. Bodyfat just hasn’t changed much for me at any point in my life, no matter what I’ve done. I’d say I’ve been in the 8-14% range since I was a child.
Actually, the leanest I ever got was probably a result of heavy cocaine use in my early 20’s. So I guess drugs do make a difference.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
Flip didn’t you achieve an elite total before you even touched drugs?[/quote]
nope. under the old PL standards, I would have, but they re-did the numbers a few years ago. The numbers I reached naturally, I think, were a 435 squat, a 315 bench, and a 525 deadlift. Something like that.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
Flip didn’t you achieve an elite total before you even touched drugs?[/quote]
nope. under the old PL standards, I would have, but they re-did the numbers a few years ago. The numbers I reached naturally, I think, were a 435 squat, a 315 bench, and a 525 deadlift. Something like that.[/quote]
If there is such a thing as visually devouring someone sexually, that moment had to be it. =)[/quote]
It’s great when that happens. I was walking my dog shirtless at a beach park this summer, and two 18 year old girls jogging by me had the deer in the headlights look. As a 48 year old guy, I can’t tell you how great that makes the rest of your day.
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It’s also another reason why I feel that women are full of it when they say that this look is not a big (visually anyway) positive, and that when they see a man with ripped abs they have an immediate negative impression of him (yes, I’ve heard a few say that). Granted these were young spring chickens you ran across that day walking your dog, and they’re impression would generally be different from an older woman’s, but still - it’s a powerful look, especially when you’re not superficial about it, and you are a whole lot more than just about looks.[/quote]
let’s just say that after having a jacked looking body, I’d rather have it than not. I realize it’s just one component of me, but I can never go back to having the “regular dude” body.
and yes, women are so full of it when it comes to this subject. They respond biologically and there’s nothing they can do about it. The strongest looking guy will be the one their eye is drawn to. That’s not to say they don’t look for other non-tangible qualities, but a good physique will get noticed from what I’ve seen personally.
