The obvious point is that we have a league full of people who do things that are morally reprehensible on a weekly basis yet there is as much or more media coverage and public outcry when a player is acting racist as when a player is being investigated or convicted of a violent crime. It’s fucking crazy. Everyone has to pile on anyone who makes any racist comment lest they be accused of being a racist themselves. I think it is false outrage and no one really gives a shit. This is not a man in a position of power persecuting a person of color. It’s a drunk asshole. He doesn’t speak for anyone. He doesn’t represent anyone. This really doesn’t matter.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The fact that it is even mentioned. If he were black and used the word, do you think they’d treat it the same way? Or even if he were black and used a white racial slur.
If using The Word is a character flaw, then it’s a character flaw for anyone using it. [/quote]
You have to know that context means something, right? I think it’s pretty well established in our society that right now, it means something different coming from a white person than a black person. That may not be good for our society, but it’s a current fact. Cooper knows this.[/quote]
Ah, so it’s okay because society is racist, so just roll with it and call it “context”.
It’s like racism is a newspeak word and it just means whatever we are told it means for the moment with no impact on what it might mean tomorrow.
I think we need a new word either for actual racism or for what the PC crowd now means when they say it.
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
Excused from team activities to have counselling, possibly released from team. A LOT of media appearence and public excuses. all that for calling a security guard at a concert a Nigger.
They all calm themselves nigga and stuff like that. Why does it matter so much when it’s a white athlete? I know he plays with a lot of african-american players (it’s the NFL lol) but man, to me it is really too much attention for nothing.[/quote]
Here in the US, the “n-word with a hard -er” is the worst thing you can say.
This is based on the legacy of slavery and how it has shaped American culture.
Does that clear up your obvious confusion?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The fact that it is even mentioned. If he were black and used the word, do you think they’d treat it the same way? Or even if he were black and used a white racial slur.
If using The Word is a character flaw, then it’s a character flaw for anyone using it. [/quote]
You have to know that context means something, right? I think it’s pretty well established in our society that right now, it means something different coming from a white person than a black person. That may not be good for our society, but it’s a current fact. Cooper knows this.[/quote]
Ah, so it’s okay because society is racist, so just roll with it and call it “context”.
It’s like racism is a newspeak word and it just means whatever we are told it means for the moment with no impact on what it might mean tomorrow.
I think we need a new word either for actual racism or for what the PC crowd now means when they say it.[/quote]
no. I’m saying that context can determine whether it’s a racist comment or not. The only power words have is the intentions behind them, not the words themselves. My OPINION is that Riley Cooper used this with the all the intentions of a racist. You can’t possibly argue that Cooper used the word in the same way that black people use it with each other, right?
I feel like your argument requires words to have power in and of themselves to be valid. This is something I take issue with.
[quote]sonnyp wrote:
The obvious point is that we have a league full of people who do things that are morally reprehensible on a weekly basis yet there is as much or more media coverage and public outcry when a player is acting racist as when a player is being investigated or convicted of a violent crime. It’s fucking crazy. Everyone has to pile on anyone who makes any racist comment lest they be accused of being a racist themselves. I think it is false outrage and no one really gives a shit. This is not a man in a position of power persecuting a person of color. It’s a drunk asshole. He doesn’t speak for anyone. He doesn’t represent anyone. This really doesn’t matter.[/quote]
Pretty much with you on this in terms of the public reaction. You’re right that it really shouldn’t matter, except to the team. If the team comes to the conclusion that internally, this will be an issue going forward, they should deal with it appropriately. Based on the media shitstorm, I believe that his playing ability does not justify retaining him on the roster.
It is possible that Cooper loses his career over this, especially since he’s not an exceptional player. This depends on how things play out with his teammates. If it turns out that his own teammates are unable to get over this and he has to leave Philly, what reaction is going to get from a bunch of guys he doesn’t know on another team? “Oh hey, there’s that punk-ass white boy who called us n****.” I don’t think he’ll be fitting in very well.
What would have happened if he used another derogatory term towards the guy instead of dropping the N bomb?
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
“Oh hey, there’s that punk-ass white boy who called us n****.”[/quote]
pot calling kettle black with that statement. No pun about the pot and kettle being black
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The fact that it is even mentioned. If he were black and used the word, do you think they’d treat it the same way? Or even if he were black and used a white racial slur.
If using The Word is a character flaw, then it’s a character flaw for anyone using it. [/quote]
You have to know that context means something, right? I think it’s pretty well established in our society that right now, it means something different coming from a white person than a black person. That may not be good for our society, but it’s a current fact. Cooper knows this.[/quote]
Ah, so it’s okay because society is racist, so just roll with it and call it “context”.
It’s like racism is a newspeak word and it just means whatever we are told it means for the moment with no impact on what it might mean tomorrow.
I think we need a new word either for actual racism or for what the PC crowd now means when they say it.[/quote]
no. I’m saying that context can determine whether it’s a racist comment or not. The only power words have is the intentions behind them, not the words themselves. My OPINION is that Riley Cooper used this with the all the intentions of a racist. You can’t possibly argue that Cooper used the word in the same way that black people use it with each other, right?
I feel like your argument requires words to have power in and of themselves to be valid. This is something I take issue with.[/quote]
Wait so you were there, you know the context outside if the tiny clip, and you can read his mind and knew his intentions. Wow
[quote]Aggv wrote:
What would have happened if he used another derogatory term towards the guy instead of dropping the N bomb? [/quote]
If he had called him a bitch, it would have been just fine.
I think this is being handled completely appropriately. Football is a team sport, and if a player does something that his teammates can’t forgive, that’s on him. Personally, I think he’ll be back with the team before the season starts, at which point he will be mercilessly hazed until he proves he can both handle himself and contribute the team. But if that happens, I think the team will accept him and move on.
Haven’t read the prior comments, but I feel this is the perfect explain of double standards in America.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The fact that it is even mentioned. If he were black and used the word, do you think they’d treat it the same way? Or even if he were black and used a white racial slur.
If using The Word is a character flaw, then it’s a character flaw for anyone using it. [/quote]
You have to know that context means something, right? I think it’s pretty well established in our society that right now, it means something different coming from a white person than a black person. That may not be good for our society, but it’s a current fact. Cooper knows this.[/quote]
Ah, so it’s okay because society is racist, so just roll with it and call it “context”.
It’s like racism is a newspeak word and it just means whatever we are told it means for the moment with no impact on what it might mean tomorrow.
I think we need a new word either for actual racism or for what the PC crowd now means when they say it.[/quote]
no. I’m saying that context can determine whether it’s a racist comment or not. The only power words have is the intentions behind them, not the words themselves. My OPINION is that Riley Cooper used this with the all the intentions of a racist. You can’t possibly argue that Cooper used the word in the same way that black people use it with each other, right?
I feel like your argument requires words to have power in and of themselves to be valid. This is something I take issue with.[/quote]
I agree he did. though I can’t tell if it was racism or a drunk cheap shot just being the best way he could think to insult the guy. Either way it was bad, I agree. HOWEVER, by context, you meant skin color. That is racism.
What you fail to consider is that the color of his skin has nothing to do with his intent. You seem to think that black people are incapable of using the word in a racist manner. If he were black and used the same word with the same intent, no one would care.
Again, the public reaction isn’t about the circumstance or intent, it’s about his skin color.
You don’t think there are racist black people that use that word with racist intent?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
Excused from team activities to have counselling, possibly released from team. A LOT of media appearence and public excuses. all that for calling a security guard at a concert a Nigger.
They all calm themselves nigga and stuff like that. Why does it matter so much when it’s a white athlete? I know he plays with a lot of african-american players (it’s the NFL lol) but man, to me it is really too much attention for nothing.[/quote]
They all call themselves nigga and stuff like that?
Wow.
…and “you people” really don’t see the problem with how you think.[/quote]
Troll or not, the fun is about to start in this here thread.
“They.”
Yeesh.
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
And honestly, the whole country music thing you just shot out there is just really ignorant. I respect that you have your own personal biases (which you actually seemed to be aware of) but if you are aware of them, I wouldn’t then continue with the stupidity of a statement that “country music breeds racism”. Damn that racist Darius Rucker. [/quote]
Yeah, so I’m definitely ‘racist’ but only against one type of people… white-trash/country folks(obviously a majority of country folks are great people, I’m specifically targeting white-trash-country-folks). I cannot stand their whole deal.
However, to address something you said, are you saying that you believe there is absolutely no correlation between racism and country-concerts? Given this incident, you don’t believe there is more racism going on there versus a billy joel concert?[/quote]
Sure you are, buddy.
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
Excused from team activities to have counselling, possibly released from team. A LOT of media appearence and public excuses. all that for calling a security guard at a concert a Nigger.
They all calm themselves nigga and stuff like that. Why does it matter so much when it’s a white athlete? I know he plays with a lot of african-american players (it’s the NFL lol) but man, to me it is really too much attention for nothing.[/quote]
It’s not nothing. I dont think he should be released from the team, but he needs to know better and he needs to act better. end of story.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It is interesting that Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little were still allowed to play in the NFL after committing vehicular manslaughter which is a violent crime resulting in a human life being lost, but this guy might lose his job for being a racist.[/quote]
Yeah, I wonder how much of Micheal Vick’s past came into him so readily, at least publicly, accepting Cooper’s apology? [/quote]
these are back th good points though. And I was against Stallworth getting off so easy with the League as well. Everybody needs to be held accountable.
[quote]chobbs wrote:
Haven’t read the prior comments, but I feel this is the perfect explain of double standards in America.[/quote]
You should learn to not only accept that there are double standards, but acknowledge that they are actually OK. Why is it that you feel there is something wrong with double standards anyway?
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It is interesting that Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little were still allowed to play in the NFL after committing vehicular manslaughter which is a violent crime resulting in a human life being lost, but this guy might lose his job for being a racist.[/quote]
Yeah, I wonder how much of Micheal Vick’s past came into him so readily, at least publicly, accepting Cooper’s apology? [/quote]
these are back th good points though. And I was against Stallworth getting off so easy with the League as well. Everybody needs to be held accountable.[/quote]
It’s an entirely separate issue, of course, but I think they should have been blacklisted from the game. You get drunk and kill someone and the consequence should be your career. Unfortunately, that is more a reflection of the attitude toward drunk driving in America than a reflection on the NFL. People outside the realm of professional sports get off with extremely light sentences for the same crime every day, after all.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
Haven’t read the prior comments, but I feel this is the perfect explain of double standards in America.[/quote]
You should learn to not only accept that there are double standards, but acknowledge that they are actually OK. Why is it that you feel there is something wrong with double standards anyway?[/quote]
Because I’m against racism.
I believe in a dream where race isn’t factored in to how someone is punished.