Riley Cooper's Comments

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[quote]jeanmich wrote:

Yeah I’m not from the States, but still, I understand that a pro athlete is held to higher standards than any other person[/quote]

This they are not. Only when it comes to certain political hot-topics. Here in the Marines, you get a DUI, there’s a good chance you’ll get kicked out of the Corps. You kill someone while drunk driving, you’re getting kicked out after you spend a long time in the brig.

NFL player does those things, he pays a bunch of money to the person’s family, and most often carries on with his career like nothing happened.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
As long as they start doing the same thing to all people who use racial slurs.

Heck, you can get banned by the NFL for being white and having racist quotes falsely attributed to you. But pay off your rape victims, cover up murders, torture and kill animals while running an illegal gambling operation, shoot yourself with a gun in a club putting people?s lives at risk, est, and all is forgiven.

We have some messed up priorities in this country.
[/quote]

This is a strange position you’re taking, because it sounds like you’re assuming, say, Vick was forgiven but Cooper won’t be? That’s silly. Cooper will be forgiven too, and it will be much quicker and more unanimously than Vick. Nobody will be talking about this in a few weeks. As far as Plaxico, the dude served his time, and is no longer a relevant NFL player. I don’t know if people have ‘forgiven’ him, but people have certainly forgotten about him. Dude’s a nobody now. I just think you’re exaggerating the social issue here.

As far as how the team handles the issue, that is, and should be, up to them. Every team can have a different perspective on how to handle this sort of thing. If they believe it’s going to create a team chemistry issue, they should absolutely let him go. He’s nowhere near worth that.

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[quote]Brant2 wrote:
He might get a lot of shit from people outside of the League.
He might get a lot of shit from the League itself.
But I’m sure as hell other players are not making shit out of this incident.

Man, this dude has been playing football literally for 20 years. Don’t you think that if he really was that racist he’d have had some bigger problems by now?

Say whatever you want but racists don’t thrive in team sports, especially in football.[/quote]

Don’t you think it’s funny that the only guy sharing this perspective in this thread is another non-American? I can GUARANTEE you there are very, very racist players in the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. You’re 100% naive here.

Side note, how does someone in Brazil not recognize that racism exists in sports? Weird.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Claudan wrote:
I don’t think he’s a racist, at all. I think he’s just a dumb-ass who said something racist because he was at a country concert.

I mean, I don’t like country music or people who love that shit because it automatically(probably not a good thing but just being honest) makes me think they are dumb/racist, because that’s just what that type of environment breeds.

In his case, he got caught up in the moment and owned himself. Do you all really think he’s racist?[/quote]

He might be racist. I think it is just as likely that he said the most hateful thing he could say to someone that he was having an issue with (if I am understanding this situation). I think we have all been guilty of saying things we don’t necessarily mean (not really talking about the n-word here) when getting into confrontations.

And honestly, the whole country music thing you just shot out there is just really ignorant. I respect that you have your own personal biases (which you actually seemed to be aware of) but if you are aware of them, I wouldn’t then continue with the stupidity of a statement that “country music breeds racism”. Damn that racist Darius Rucker. [/quote]

Don’t forget that racist bastard Charlie Pride.

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[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It’s a crazy hierarchy of morality in the NFL
Use a racist word- YOU RE OUT!
Rape a chick- keep your job
Kill a soccer mom driving drunk in your car- keep your job
Stab two guys to death with your boys and let your boys take the rap for it- keep your job[/quote]

You left dog fighting off your list. His own teammate too.
[/quote]

The racist word was on video.

Ben R was not convicted, for what that’s worth. Dante Stallworth did not keep his job. I don’t know the stabbing reference. Vick also did not keep his job. These guys got new jobs with new teams. Which is what Cooper will do.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It’s a crazy hierarchy of morality in the NFL
Use a racist word- YOU RE OUT!
Rape a chick- keep your job
Kill a soccer mom driving drunk in your car- keep your job
Stab two guys to death with your boys and let your boys take the rap for it- keep your job[/quote]

You left dog fighting off your list. His own teammate too.
[/quote]

The racist word was on video.

Ben R was not convicted, for what that’s worth. Dante Stallworth did not keep his job. I don’t know the stabbing reference. Vick also did not keep his job. These guys got new jobs with new teams. Which is what Cooper will do.[/quote]

ray lewis stabbed and killed someone

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It’s a crazy hierarchy of morality in the NFL
Use a racist word- YOU RE OUT!
Rape a chick- keep your job
Kill a soccer mom driving drunk in your car- keep your job
Stab two guys to death with your boys and let your boys take the rap for it- keep your job[/quote]

You left dog fighting off your list. His own teammate too.
[/quote]

The racist word was on video.

Ben R was not convicted, for what that’s worth. Dante Stallworth did not keep his job. I don’t know the stabbing reference. Vick also did not keep his job. These guys got new jobs with new teams. Which is what Cooper will do.[/quote]

Stabbing reference was Ray Lewis I believe.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
As long as they start doing the same thing to all people who use racial slurs.

Heck, you can get banned by the NFL for being white and having racist quotes falsely attributed to you. But pay off your rape victims, cover up murders, torture and kill animals while running an illegal gambling operation, shoot yourself with a gun in a club putting people?s lives at risk, est, and all is forgiven.

We have some messed up priorities in this country.
[/quote]

This is a strange position you’re taking, because it sounds like you’re assuming, say, Vick was forgiven but Cooper won’t be? That’s silly. Cooper will be forgiven too, and it will be much quicker and more unanimously than Vick. Nobody will be talking about this in a few weeks. As far as Plaxico, the dude served his time, and is no longer a relevant NFL player. I don’t know if people have ‘forgiven’ him, but people have certainly forgotten about him. Dude’s a nobody now. I just think you’re exaggerating the social issue here.

As far as how the team handles the issue, that is, and should be, up to them. Every team can have a different perspective on how to handle this sort of thing. If they believe it’s going to create a team chemistry issue, they should absolutely let him go. He’s nowhere near worth that.[/quote]

Didn’t address the disparity in handling of racial slurs. The fact that you think he needs forgiveness from the league for using a stupid word is exactly what I’m talking about. The use of a word versus killing someone.

And you are greatly over simplifying many of the criminal pasts of people. For example, Vick’s dog fitting was at the end of a long train of stuff. Not to mention many of the criminals in the league use their money and influence to avoid the jail time.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It’s a crazy hierarchy of morality in the NFL
Use a racist word- YOU RE OUT!
Rape a chick- keep your job
Kill a soccer mom driving drunk in your car- keep your job
Stab two guys to death with your boys and let your boys take the rap for it- keep your job[/quote]

You left dog fighting off your list. His own teammate too.
[/quote]

The racist word was on video.

Ben R was not convicted, for what that’s worth. Dante Stallworth did not keep his job. I don’t know the stabbing reference. Vick also did not keep his job. These guys got new jobs with new teams. Which is what Cooper will do.[/quote]

ray lewis stabbed and killed someone[/quote]

I figured that was the reference. A) no conviction B) He probably didn’t stab anyone. Law enforcement didn’t believe he did. They DID believe he withheld evidence. But they didn’t pin that on him either. I think most people don’t understand the Lewis case very well.

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[quote]TDub301 wrote:
Well, is the NFL going to ban him? or might the Eagles just let him go? Either way, interesting point.[/quote]

IDK if the NFL will ban him, eagles may fire him

Brian Dawkins was talking on the radio today about how the eagle’s shouldn’t fire him. Instead, he wants them to keep him and help him through the tough time.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It’s a crazy hierarchy of morality in the NFL
Use a racist word- YOU RE OUT!
Rape a chick- keep your job
Kill a soccer mom driving drunk in your car- keep your job
Stab two guys to death with your boys and let your boys take the rap for it- keep your job[/quote]

You left dog fighting off your list. His own teammate too.
[/quote]

The racist word was on video.

Ben R was not convicted, for what that’s worth. Dante Stallworth did not keep his job. I don’t know the stabbing reference. Vick also did not keep his job. These guys got new jobs with new teams. Which is what Cooper will do.[/quote]

ray lewis stabbed and killed someone[/quote]

I figured that was the reference. A) no conviction B) He probably didn’t stab anyone. Law enforcement didn’t believe he did. They DID believe he withheld evidence. But they didn’t pin that on him either. I think most people don’t understand the Lewis case very well.[/quote]

I fully understand that he was intimately involved with a murder…

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
As long as they start doing the same thing to all people who use racial slurs.

Heck, you can get banned by the NFL for being white and having racist quotes falsely attributed to you. But pay off your rape victims, cover up murders, torture and kill animals while running an illegal gambling operation, shoot yourself with a gun in a club putting people?s lives at risk, est, and all is forgiven.

We have some messed up priorities in this country.
[/quote]

This is a strange position you’re taking, because it sounds like you’re assuming, say, Vick was forgiven but Cooper won’t be? That’s silly. Cooper will be forgiven too, and it will be much quicker and more unanimously than Vick. Nobody will be talking about this in a few weeks. As far as Plaxico, the dude served his time, and is no longer a relevant NFL player. I don’t know if people have ‘forgiven’ him, but people have certainly forgotten about him. Dude’s a nobody now. I just think you’re exaggerating the social issue here.

As far as how the team handles the issue, that is, and should be, up to them. Every team can have a different perspective on how to handle this sort of thing. If they believe it’s going to create a team chemistry issue, they should absolutely let him go. He’s nowhere near worth that.[/quote]

Didn’t address the disparity in handling of racial slurs. The fact that you think he needs forgiveness from the league for using a stupid word is exactly what I’m talking about. The use of a word versus killing someone.

And you are greatly over simplifying many of the criminal pasts of people. For example, Vick’s dog fitting was at the end of a long train of stuff. Not to mention many of the criminals in the league use their money and influence to avoid the jail time.[/quote]

Again, Vick DID lose his job. And he went to jail. The argument here would be that, if the legal system believes he has served his time and been adequately punished, the league is justified in giving him a chance to come back.

With Cooper, we’re talking about a team decision. The league hasn’t suspended him, so nothing I said in relation to him involves forgiveness from the league in any way.

I just think people are confusing issues here. Teams dismiss mid to low grade players on a regular basis for character issues. This is not unusual. The league has not taken any action against Cooper. Where is the ‘disparity in handling issues?’

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

Side note, anyone else think this was really stupid considering he plays the MOST VULNERABLE position in the NFL and I can only think of one white starting DB in the league. He needs to be worried more about losing his spleen from a violent hit than his job. [/quote]

LOL what makes is worse was that he wasn;t even supposed to be a starter. Our number two guy went down with an ACL injury and we’re stuck with this idiot. I agree that DB’s he lines up against are gonna be playing a lot harder

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It’s a crazy hierarchy of morality in the NFL
Use a racist word- YOU RE OUT!
Rape a chick- keep your job
Kill a soccer mom driving drunk in your car- keep your job
Stab two guys to death with your boys and let your boys take the rap for it- keep your job[/quote]

You left dog fighting off your list. His own teammate too.
[/quote]

The racist word was on video.

Ben R was not convicted, for what that’s worth. Dante Stallworth did not keep his job. I don’t know the stabbing reference. Vick also did not keep his job. These guys got new jobs with new teams. Which is what Cooper will do.[/quote]

I never said he was convicted, but what did Ben R apologize for if he didn’t do anything wrong to that girl? Dante Stallworth may not have kept his job because he got suspended. However, it only took him 8 days to get a new job after being re-instated.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
As long as they start doing the same thing to all people who use racial slurs.

Heck, you can get banned by the NFL for being white and having racist quotes falsely attributed to you. But pay off your rape victims, cover up murders, torture and kill animals while running an illegal gambling operation, shoot yourself with a gun in a club putting people?s lives at risk, est, and all is forgiven.

We have some messed up priorities in this country.
[/quote]

This is a good point.

I think a lot of people get more upset about racial slurs and stuff like that because the law won’t take care of it. Vick , plaxico, or whoever get punished by the law, but there are no laws that can put Cooper in legal trouble, that’s why people feel the NFL should do something to teach him the lesson.

Plus, people probably want to see something happen to cooper because he’s an expendable receiver

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
As long as they start doing the same thing to all people who use racial slurs.

Heck, you can get banned by the NFL for being white and having racist quotes falsely attributed to you. But pay off your rape victims, cover up murders, torture and kill animals while running an illegal gambling operation, shoot yourself with a gun in a club putting people?s lives at risk, est, and all is forgiven.

We have some messed up priorities in this country.
[/quote]

This is a strange position you’re taking, because it sounds like you’re assuming, say, Vick was forgiven but Cooper won’t be? That’s silly. Cooper will be forgiven too, and it will be much quicker and more unanimously than Vick. Nobody will be talking about this in a few weeks. As far as Plaxico, the dude served his time, and is no longer a relevant NFL player. I don’t know if people have ‘forgiven’ him, but people have certainly forgotten about him. Dude’s a nobody now. I just think you’re exaggerating the social issue here.

As far as how the team handles the issue, that is, and should be, up to them. Every team can have a different perspective on how to handle this sort of thing. If they believe it’s going to create a team chemistry issue, they should absolutely let him go. He’s nowhere near worth that.[/quote]

Didn’t address the disparity in handling of racial slurs. The fact that you think he needs forgiveness from the league for using a stupid word is exactly what I’m talking about. The use of a word versus killing someone.

And you are greatly over simplifying many of the criminal pasts of people. For example, Vick’s dog fitting was at the end of a long train of stuff. Not to mention many of the criminals in the league use their money and influence to avoid the jail time.[/quote]

Again, Vick DID lose his job. And he went to jail. The argument here would be that, if the legal system believes he has served his time and been adequately punished, the league is justified in giving him a chance to come back.

With Cooper, we’re talking about a team decision. The league hasn’t suspended him, so nothing I said in relation to him involves forgiveness from the league in any way.

I just think people are confusing issues here. Teams dismiss mid to low grade players on a regular basis for character issues. This is not unusual. The league has not taken any action against Cooper. Where is the ‘disparity in handling issues?’[/quote]

The fact that it is even mentioned. If he were black and used the word, do you think they’d treat it the same way? Or even if he were black and used a white racial slur.

And my early reference was actually about Rush. He was effectively banned from investing in the league because someone posted made up quotes about him on wiki. And he was pushed out even after it was proven false.

If using The Word is a character flaw, then it’s a character flaw for anyone using it.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:
It’s a crazy hierarchy of morality in the NFL
Use a racist word- YOU RE OUT!
Rape a chick- keep your job
Kill a soccer mom driving drunk in your car- keep your job
Stab two guys to death with your boys and let your boys take the rap for it- keep your job[/quote]

You left dog fighting off your list. His own teammate too.
[/quote]

The racist word was on video.

Ben R was not convicted, for what that’s worth. Dante Stallworth did not keep his job. I don’t know the stabbing reference. Vick also did not keep his job. These guys got new jobs with new teams. Which is what Cooper will do.[/quote]

ray lewis stabbed and killed someone[/quote]

I figured that was the reference. A) no conviction B) He probably didn’t stab anyone. Law enforcement didn’t believe he did. They DID believe he withheld evidence. But they didn’t pin that on him either. I think most people don’t understand the Lewis case very well.[/quote]

I fully understand that he was intimately involved with a murder…
[/quote]

In the eyes of the law this is false. But I do understand your perspective.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

The fact that it is even mentioned. If he were black and used the word, do you think they’d treat it the same way? Or even if he were black and used a white racial slur.

If using The Word is a character flaw, then it’s a character flaw for anyone using it. [/quote]

You have to know that context means something, right? I think it’s pretty well established in our society that right now, it means something different coming from a white person than a black person. That may not be good for our society, but it’s a current fact. Cooper knows this.

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FWIW, I listen to a Philly sport’s radio station and the response from the area seems pretty divided.

Reasons why people don’t think it’s a big deal:
I use it with my black friends all the time, so it’s okay
Black People use it all the time, so why is it a big deal if a white man says it
He’s drunk
It’s just a word
He’s not racists because he’s in a locker room with black athletes

Eagles RB LeSean McCoy said that he doesn’t see Riley as a friend anymore
Vick said that he forgives Riley (he kinda has to say that tho since most people forgave him for far worse actions)