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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
why are you using the cheater sumo stance??:slight_smile:

you aren’t efficiently using the lower body right now. the advantage of using sumo is that you can initiate the lift with the legs. the way you are setup you are doing more of a wide stance conventional deadlift.

you need to get the legs more parallel to the bar with the feet pointed towards the plates more. the way you are doing it with the feet forward and the knees tracking forward doesn’t allow you to use much of the hips. you want to really open up the groin, point the toes out and force the knees out as you start the lift. the knees should track towards the plates, not forward. this will allow you to get the hips into the movement.

also, you are starting with the shoulders in front of the bar. as you drop into the hole the shoulders should be over the bar. i think getting your feet and legs in the proper position will solve that problem though.

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** writing furiously…

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MM:

First, I would just like to thank you for documenting your lifting the way you do. This thread has a great wealth of knowledge.

My question is pretty simple: what is your weekly lifting schedule like? Do you lift three days a week, concentrating on bench, deadlift, and squat?

Thanks!

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[quote]Killerb521 wrote:
MM:

First, I would just like to thank you for documenting your lifting the way you do. This thread has a great wealth of knowledge.

My question is pretty simple: what is your weekly lifting schedule like? Do you lift three days a week, concentrating on bench, deadlift, and squat?

Thanks! [/quote]

i don’t follow a typical weekly schedule. i train bench, squat, deadlift and over head press/accessory day. we typically train monday, wendsday, saturday and then monday to get all of those in. then wendsday would start it all over again.

thanks for the kind words. it’s nice to know people follow along.

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So… Your thread seems to be the last sane part of the bodybuilding forum lately, the only insane thing here are the weights.

The new gym is looking awesome with all the strongman equipment. Have you ever tried log press and if you have, what kind of numbers are you putting up there?

Keep it up big guy!

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[quote]Matsa wrote:
So… Your thread seems to be the last sane part of the bodybuilding forum lately, the only insane thing here are the weights.

The new gym is looking awesome with all the strongman equipment. Have you ever tried log press and if you have, what kind of numbers are you putting up there?

Keep it up big guy![/quote]

thanks for the kind words.

we have two of them there. i’m not sure how much each of them weighs. i know one is over 200lbs by itself with no weight. i haven’t tried them yet but i will. they look like fun.

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Your new gym plays Lamb of God… I need to find a new gym asap.

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[quote]Liv92 wrote:
Your new gym plays Lamb of God… I need to find a new gym asap. [/quote]

it has a nice stereo and we just hook our ipods up to it. it plays whatever we want:)

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skwatt day- decided to give the cambered bar a try today. it’s a custom made bar…very heavy duty. i noticed that it really works the posterior chain especially decending. it also works the “core” a lot because you can’t really use your arms to brace the bar at all. i think it will supplement deadlifts nicely.

cambered bar squats- long pause at bottom

0 x 10
190 x 4
250 x 4
340 x 4
460 x 4

front squats- no lockout at top

135 x 10, 15, 20

leg press - no lockout, no rest between reps

6 plates x 20, 30, 40

walking lunges- dumbells

50’s x 1 lap, 2 laps, 2 laps

great session…got some volume in and the quads are swole.

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Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?[/quote]

the cambered bar places the stress more on the posterior chain than a normal straight bar across your back. i noticed when squatting down that there’s a ton of stress on the hams, hips and glutes. the core is worked a lot because you can’t use the arms to brace the weight across your back. it’s definitely a great variation to the regular bar squat. i think it will also help supplement my conventional deadlift.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?[/quote]

the cambered bar places the stress more on the posterior chain than a normal straight bar across your back. i noticed when squatting down that there’s a ton of stress on the hams, hips and glutes. the core is worked a lot because you can’t use the arms to brace the weight across your back. it’s definitely a great variation to the regular bar squat. i think it will also help supplement my conventional deadlift.
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Ooohoooo! interesting. Ever try a variation of Box squats with that bar then? Sounds it would be a tremendous posterior chain movement.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?[/quote]

the cambered bar places the stress more on the posterior chain than a normal straight bar across your back. i noticed when squatting down that there’s a ton of stress on the hams, hips and glutes. the core is worked a lot because you can’t use the arms to brace the weight across your back. it’s definitely a great variation to the regular bar squat. i think it will also help supplement my conventional deadlift.
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Ooohoooo! interesting. Ever try a variation of Box squats with that bar then? Sounds it would be a tremendous posterior chain movement.
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this was my first time using the bar. i bet good mornings with this bar or our safety squat bar would also hit the P chain hard.

do you have acess to a GHR??

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?[/quote]

the cambered bar places the stress more on the posterior chain than a normal straight bar across your back. i noticed when squatting down that there’s a ton of stress on the hams, hips and glutes. the core is worked a lot because you can’t use the arms to brace the weight across your back. it’s definitely a great variation to the regular bar squat. i think it will also help supplement my conventional deadlift.
[/quote]

Ooohoooo! interesting. Ever try a variation of Box squats with that bar then? Sounds it would be a tremendous posterior chain movement.
[/quote]

this was my first time using the bar. i bet good mornings with this bar or our safety squat bar would also hit the P chain hard.

do you have acess to a GHR??
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Not sure what GHR is actually. Glute Ham raise? if thats what you’re referring to yes i do, though i didnt really stick with it. hit a 45lb plate and tapered interest since i didnt have room to grow more…suppose i couldve used a DB…

As for your other thoughts, i was never a big fan of Good mornings, was just an awkward movement for me. I always took Romanian DLs over em. I mean hell though, if you got it give it a shot, right?

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?[/quote]

the cambered bar places the stress more on the posterior chain than a normal straight bar across your back. i noticed when squatting down that there’s a ton of stress on the hams, hips and glutes. the core is worked a lot because you can’t use the arms to brace the weight across your back. it’s definitely a great variation to the regular bar squat. i think it will also help supplement my conventional deadlift.
[/quote]

Ooohoooo! interesting. Ever try a variation of Box squats with that bar then? Sounds it would be a tremendous posterior chain movement.
[/quote]

this was my first time using the bar. i bet good mornings with this bar or our safety squat bar would also hit the P chain hard.

do you have acess to a GHR??
[/quote]

Not sure what GHR is actually. Glute Ham raise? if thats what you’re referring to yes i do, though i didnt really stick with it. hit a 45lb plate and tapered interest since i didnt have room to grow more…suppose i couldve used a DB…

As for your other thoughts, i was never a big fan of Good mornings, was just an awkward movement for me. I always took Romanian DLs over em. I mean hell though, if you got it give it a shot, right?
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shit… i don’t use any weight and i find it hard as shit. i personally don’t think there’s a better strength builder for the hams. most people do it wrong… here’s a vid by the immortal Dave Tate explaining it better than i could.

i find regular straight bar good mornings tough because i have hard time holding a straight bar that low on my traps but i see a lot of safety squat bar and cambered bar good mornings in my near future.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?[/quote]

the cambered bar places the stress more on the posterior chain than a normal straight bar across your back. i noticed when squatting down that there’s a ton of stress on the hams, hips and glutes. the core is worked a lot because you can’t use the arms to brace the weight across your back. it’s definitely a great variation to the regular bar squat. i think it will also help supplement my conventional deadlift.
[/quote]

Ooohoooo! interesting. Ever try a variation of Box squats with that bar then? Sounds it would be a tremendous posterior chain movement.
[/quote]

this was my first time using the bar. i bet good mornings with this bar or our safety squat bar would also hit the P chain hard.

do you have acess to a GHR??
[/quote]

Not sure what GHR is actually. Glute Ham raise? if thats what you’re referring to yes i do, though i didnt really stick with it. hit a 45lb plate and tapered interest since i didnt have room to grow more…suppose i couldve used a DB…

As for your other thoughts, i was never a big fan of Good mornings, was just an awkward movement for me. I always took Romanian DLs over em. I mean hell though, if you got it give it a shot, right?
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shit… i don’t use any weight and i find it hard as shit. i personally don’t think there’s a better strength builder for the hams. most people do it wrong…

i find regular straight bar good mornings tough because i have hard time holding a straight bar that low on my traps but i see a lot of safety squat bar and cambered bar good mornings in my near future.
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Really, no weight? I find that interesting. here i was expecting you to beat me for not grabbing a DB lol. And ill definitely agree that most people do it wrong, but then again most people do most movements wrong lol. once I learn how to use my knees in that movement, i blasted it out for awhile. I might have to start throwing them in again…

So are you just not a big fan of Romanian DLs? I mean it is kinda the same movement as a Good morning, but with different weight placement (Jut the ass out and pump the hips in at the top). Personally i feel that good mornings wouldnt leave a whole lot of room for growth. Am i wrong here?

[edit] yea after watching that video through, Tate explains it a helluvalot nicer than i have. Also i noticed the difference in GHR machines. The one at my gym is more of a 40degree angle.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?[/quote]

the cambered bar places the stress more on the posterior chain than a normal straight bar across your back. i noticed when squatting down that there’s a ton of stress on the hams, hips and glutes. the core is worked a lot because you can’t use the arms to brace the weight across your back. it’s definitely a great variation to the regular bar squat. i think it will also help supplement my conventional deadlift.
[/quote]

Ooohoooo! interesting. Ever try a variation of Box squats with that bar then? Sounds it would be a tremendous posterior chain movement.
[/quote]

this was my first time using the bar. i bet good mornings with this bar or our safety squat bar would also hit the P chain hard.

do you have acess to a GHR??
[/quote]

Not sure what GHR is actually. Glute Ham raise? if thats what you’re referring to yes i do, though i didnt really stick with it. hit a 45lb plate and tapered interest since i didnt have room to grow more…suppose i couldve used a DB…

As for your other thoughts, i was never a big fan of Good mornings, was just an awkward movement for me. I always took Romanian DLs over em. I mean hell though, if you got it give it a shot, right?
[/quote]

shit… i don’t use any weight and i find it hard as shit. i personally don’t think there’s a better strength builder for the hams. most people do it wrong…

i find regular straight bar good mornings tough because i have hard time holding a straight bar that low on my traps but i see a lot of safety squat bar and cambered bar good mornings in my near future.
[/quote]

Really, no weight? I find that interesting. here i was expecting you to beat me for not grabbing a DB lol. And ill definitely agree that most people do it wrong, but then again most people do most movements wrong lol. once I learn how to use my knees in that movement, i blasted it out for awhile. I might have to start throwing them in again…

So are you just not a big fan of Romanian DLs? I mean it is kinda the same movement as a Good morning, but with different weight placement (Jut the ass out and pump the hips in at the top). Personally i feel that good mornings wouldnt leave a whole lot of room for growth. Am i wrong here?[/quote]

since i compete in the deadlift, i’m not a big fan of doing deadlifts using a different motor pattern. i want my deadlift to be automatic. i have a hard time switching back and forth. i try to keep my squats, deadlifts and bench variations as close to my actual competition lifts as possible. if that makes sense. i want my motor programs to be pretty much the same throughout my lifts.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Is it the cool thing to do to use Lego pieces as bars now, or am i missing something? lol

but yea, Whats the purpose of that bar?[/quote]

the cambered bar places the stress more on the posterior chain than a normal straight bar across your back. i noticed when squatting down that there’s a ton of stress on the hams, hips and glutes. the core is worked a lot because you can’t use the arms to brace the weight across your back. it’s definitely a great variation to the regular bar squat. i think it will also help supplement my conventional deadlift.
[/quote]

Ooohoooo! interesting. Ever try a variation of Box squats with that bar then? Sounds it would be a tremendous posterior chain movement.
[/quote]

this was my first time using the bar. i bet good mornings with this bar or our safety squat bar would also hit the P chain hard.

do you have acess to a GHR??
[/quote]

Not sure what GHR is actually. Glute Ham raise? if thats what you’re referring to yes i do, though i didnt really stick with it. hit a 45lb plate and tapered interest since i didnt have room to grow more…suppose i couldve used a DB…

As for your other thoughts, i was never a big fan of Good mornings, was just an awkward movement for me. I always took Romanian DLs over em. I mean hell though, if you got it give it a shot, right?
[/quote]

shit… i don’t use any weight and i find it hard as shit. i personally don’t think there’s a better strength builder for the hams. most people do it wrong…

i find regular straight bar good mornings tough because i have hard time holding a straight bar that low on my traps but i see a lot of safety squat bar and cambered bar good mornings in my near future.
[/quote]

Really, no weight? I find that interesting. here i was expecting you to beat me for not grabbing a DB lol. And ill definitely agree that most people do it wrong, but then again most people do most movements wrong lol. once I learn how to use my knees in that movement, i blasted it out for awhile. I might have to start throwing them in again…

So are you just not a big fan of Romanian DLs? I mean it is kinda the same movement as a Good morning, but with different weight placement (Jut the ass out and pump the hips in at the top). Personally i feel that good mornings wouldnt leave a whole lot of room for growth. Am i wrong here?[/quote]

since i compete in the deadlift, i’m not a big fan of doing deadlifts using a different motor pattern. i want my deadlift to be automatic. i have a hard time switching back and forth. i try to keep my squats, deadlifts and bench variations as close to my actual competition lifts as possible. if that makes sense. i want my motor programs to be pretty much the same throughout my lifts.
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AHh, ya makes total sense. Actually the reason i removed Free Dips as a Tricep exercise =p My chest kept jumping in.

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Every time I watch your videos, I die a little bit inside - your gym just reminds me how rubbish my gym is haha

Great read as always Meat!

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[quote]Adam-F wrote:
Every time I watch your videos, I die a little bit inside - your gym just reminds me how rubbish my gym is haha

Great read as always Meat![/quote]

thank you!!

i’m very lucky to have this place to train in. if i didn’t, i would be stuck in commercial gym hell like most everyone.

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Meat,

Just to report in that your advice about 4-board bench was spot on! Ive been doing these heavy for singles/doubles over the last 2 months and have them up to 330 lbs now without much of a sweat(and i never max out on these). Just tried 275 lbs Full bench this past week and the weight i was stuck around for 2 months prior, just felt like a feather this time. I def had another 10-15 lbs in me. Will stick with this and high-rep dumbbell / bench work for hte lower portion of the lift. I see 315 within the next couple of months.

Also, I’ve incorporated Speed deads with chains for singles-doubles and lotsa sets, really practicing my form on the Dead. This week i did 425x1 and it felt like a warmup, and two months ago i struggled with 420. My lift-off is definitely faster and more explosive and I’m using my Legs way more than before. Thank you sir - these are coming up so nicely that i can def feel a 500 lbs by summer if everything goes as planned.

So, advice to everyone - listen to what the big guy tells you! I’ve been working 60-70hrs weeks over the last couple of months and all my lifts are still going up at an alarming rate, while my technique is getting mroe and more polished! Meat knows his shit!