[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
MM- Good luck.
You’ve always documented the workouts in your various threads. Will you be documenting your diet as well, at least if there is a significant change in it?
the diet is pretty damn boring… 4 protein shakes a day, hitting about 400 grams of protein there. three “larger” meals made up of either steak, chicken or pork with some form of multigrain carb and fibrous veggies. snacks in between will be mostly a trail mix of nuts and some fruit. to drink it will be water and milk… that’s pretty much it. i also take fish oil, glucosamine/chondroitin, vitamin C, Vitamin E and a mulitvitamin.
i also started taking a creatine/ high caffeine pre workout drink.
was just about to ask what you did to clean up your diet! I can only assume you are not counting calories or anything like that.
I wish you luck. Take a “before” pic to post later when you are done. That would be cool- like seeing Dave Cutledge (sp?) “Powerlifters are Fatties” transition!
Good Luck man. This should be awesome and I will be following this thread for sure![/quote]
definitely not counting calories. i never did that… even when i was bodybuilding. i used the mirror to decide when i needed to adjust things. i will definitely be taking some pics.
They say man cannot serve 2 mastersâ?¦ weâ??ll see. Really and truly though I donâ??t differentiate between the 2 all that much. I wanna be big strong and lean. I train to do those things and compete in powerlifting mostly because Iâ??m more competitive at it.
I think if you consider bodybuilding a lifestyle (whether you have competed or not) powerlifting is bodybuilding.
Any idea where you are at composition wise now and where you want to be? What weight are you actually shooting for (Iâ??m assuming a few pounds over 242 at least)?
Iâ??m on my way up to the 242s currently, so I might actually lift against you at some point in the futureâ?¦ Iâ??m sure that would go well for meâ?¦
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
MM- Good luck.
You’ve always documented the workouts in your various threads. Will you be documenting your diet as well, at least if there is a significant change in it?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
They say man cannot serve 2 mastersâ?¦ weâ??ll see. Really and truly though I donâ??t differentiate between the 2 all that much. I wanna be big strong and lean. I train to do those things and compete in powerlifting mostly because Iâ??m more competitive at it.
I think if you consider bodybuilding a lifestyle (whether you have competed or not) powerlifting is bodybuilding.
Any idea where you are at composition wise now and where you want to be? What weight are you actually shooting for (Iâ??m assuming a few pounds over 242 at least)?
Iâ??m on my way up to the 242s currently, so I might actually lift against you at some point in the futureâ?¦ Iâ??m sure that would go well for meâ?¦
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i think both can compliment each other. i think the bodybuilding style of training keeps the body balanced and helps to keep injuries to a minimum when lifting really heavy.
anyway… i think that i’ll displace a lot of fat with new mass. i can tell my body is ready to blow up. i went to pull up my elbow sleeves last night and couldn’t get them halfway up my bicep. this was after only one heavy bicep session last week.
my plan is to get to a solid 250.
i look forward to meeting you at a comp. i’ll be the svelt one in the belly shirt:)
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
MM- Good luck.
You’ve always documented the workouts in your various threads. Will you be documenting your diet as well, at least if there is a significant change in it?
the diet is pretty damn boring… etc.
Welcome to “the cut” ;)[/quote]
the crazy thing is that once i’m in the mindset… eating this way is actually easier for me. food has never been a priority for me. i could eat the same thing every meal and it wouldn’t make any difference to me. food is fuel… nothing else.
Lose weight, Nooooo! Don’t do it!!! You won’t be strong, you will lose your strength and then you will be doing squat rack curls:)
In all seriousness though, I was just thinking the same thing for the past two weeks. I was also forced to do sumo stance DL’s due to “thick issues” also. But I feel stronger pulling with my conventional stance with feet closer than sholder length but it makes hard with the spare gut in the way:(
Plus, I don’t want to be that guy in the singlet with a pop belly. I also want to get down to a solid 230-245 range. it all depends on how I feel and look and if I can get away from my kids snacks:(
Good luck my man, I hope to see you at the 250 range. Good ideas for diet also. but I always wandered, how many grams of fish oil will you be taking daily?
Anyway, good journeys my man and see you at the finish line!
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
yvanehtnioj wrote:
I’m just curious why you’re doing the divebomb style rather then getting your grip set tight. Is it to take advantaqge of the stretch reflex?
Are you aiming to get a geared elite total raw at 242?
there are a few reasons-
i think too much before i pull. i need to just do it.
i’m still too “thick” to set my grip and get into position. that’s the main reason that i pull sumo. i can drop into position. i’ve found that when i set my grip and then try to get into position, the weight gets out in front of me and my hips come up too fast.
Best of luck, MM. I’m sure many of us will be following your progress with interest. I’m especially curious how well you will do with keeping your lifts up, despite being on a caloric deficit.
[quote]SergeantQ wrote:
Lose weight, Nooooo! Don’t do it!!! You won’t be strong, you will lose your strength and then you will be doing squat rack curls:)
In all seriousness though, I was just thinking the same thing for the past two weeks. I was also forced to do sumo stance DL’s due to “thick issues” also. But I feel stronger pulling with my conventional stance with feet closer than sholder length but it makes hard with the spare gut in the way:(
Plus, I don’t want to be that guy in the singlet with a pop belly. I also want to get down to a solid 230-245 range. it all depends on how I feel and look and if I can get away from my kids snacks:(
Good luck my man, I hope to see you at the 250 range. Good ideas for diet also. but I always wandered, how many grams of fish oil will you be taking daily?
Anyway, good journeys my man and see you at the finish line![/quote]
[quote]forlife wrote:
Best of luck, MM. I’m sure many of us will be following your progress with interest. I’m especially curious how well you will do with keeping your lifts up, despite being on a caloric deficit.[/quote]
i think my squat and dead will actually improve. the only life that may be a struggle is the bench, but i have a pretty good bench already.
i’m hoping that i’ll have more energy and stamina as i shed some LB’s. I feel great so far. i’m definitely going to do this slow and hopefully swop mass for fat as much as possible.
Interesting that you think bench is harder to keep up on a caloric deficit than the other lifts. I wonder why that is? It might explain why my chest is lagging behind my other lifts during the summer months.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
forlife wrote:
Best of luck, MM. I’m sure many of us will be following your progress with interest. I’m especially curious how well you will do with keeping your lifts up, despite being on a caloric deficit.
i think my squat and dead will actually improve. the only life that may be a struggle is the bench, but i have a pretty good bench already.
i’m hoping that i’ll have more energy and stamina as i shed some LB’s. I feel great so far. i’m definitely going to do this slow and hopefully swop mass for fat as much as possible.
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Very interested in following this meat. I’m nowhere near you in most lifts, but FWIW I followed a powerlifting core/bodybuilding accessory type split for several years. Call it powerbuilding, if you will. I wasn’t sure which way I wanted to go, but I gotta say, you can have the best of both worlds. Strength (as 1RM) and size both increased nicely, although obviously not optimally for either.
I’m also very interested to see how you maintain strength cutting. This is the #1 reason I dislike cutting, and #2 isn’t close. I’ve tried everything I can think of short of cutting super slow (say -500 kcal off daily intake or less), but my pressing starts to suffer around week 3 like freakin’ clockwork.
Iâ??ve always kind of thought a larger gut improved the squat and deadlift to a degree due to â??belly bounceâ??.
Are you suggesting that your, um, mass, is preventing proper setup/execution on those lifts and actually hurting your total? Have anything to do with raw vs. geared lifting?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Interesting that you think bench is harder to keep up on a caloric deficit than the other lifts. I wonder why that is? It might explain why my chest is lagging behind my other lifts during the summer months.[/quote]
I’m not meat, but I have noticed the same thing as he (squats/deads don’t suffer too much in a cut, but bench does). RE: squatting - if you drop 10 lbs, that’s 10 lbs less you have to squat back up (or close to it). I also hypothesize that dropping fat (of which a good portion will come from abs in men) takes some strain off your core, thereby allowing it to handle more weight. Just a theory, though.
The same 2 apply to deads, although I think to a much lesser degree.
[quote]doubleh wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
forlife wrote:
Best of luck, MM. I’m sure many of us will be following your progress with interest. I’m especially curious how well you will do with keeping your lifts up, despite being on a caloric deficit.
i think my squat and dead will actually improve. the only life that may be a struggle is the bench, but i have a pretty good bench already.
i’m hoping that i’ll have more energy and stamina as i shed some LB’s. I feel great so far. i’m definitely going to do this slow and hopefully swop mass for fat as much as possible.
Very interested in following this meat. I’m nowhere near you in most lifts, but FWIW I followed a powerlifting core/bodybuilding accessory type split for several years. Call it powerbuilding, if you will. I wasn’t sure which way I wanted to go, but I gotta say, you can have the best of both worlds. Strength (as 1RM) and size both increased nicely, although obviously not optimally for either.
I’m also very interested to see how you maintain strength cutting. This is the #1 reason I dislike cutting, and #2 isn’t close. I’ve tried everything I can think of short of cutting super slow (say -500 kcal off daily intake or less), but my pressing starts to suffer around week 3 like freakin’ clockwork.
Anyway, I’ll be following. Good luck big man.[/quote]
at this point, i’m looking to get down to 10-12%. i think strength levels will continue to climb with those goals. now, once i decide to compete in a bodybuilding comp., my strength will have to take a back seat to conditioning. that’s just part of the game. fortunately, I know that the strength will return.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Iâ??ve always kind of thought a larger gut improved the squat and deadlift to a degree due to â??belly bounceâ??.
Are you suggesting that your, um, mass, is preventing proper setup/execution on those lifts and actually hurting your total? Have anything to do with raw vs. geared lifting?
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i’ve reached that point where the extra “mass” isn’t really helping my lifts. I’m having a hard time getting into position. i was just talking about this today with a buddy. since i squat raw, my stance is fairly narrow compared to a gear squatter. as a result, when i hit depth or below my “mass” gets in the way. as for deadlifting, i had to switch to sumo because i could get my hips down and grip set.
