[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
You act like these people who log on and start asking about ZMA and creatine are in it for the long haul. Those people are precisely the type of people who will not even be training in six weeks, let alone several years.[/quote]
I should have addressed most of my post to you directly, but I was too lazy to start a new one. It looks like you found it anyway.
Look, neither you nor I knows who will or won’t get bitten by the iron bug at some point. Heck, it might be a year or ten down the road, before someone gets serious.
You are just too damned cynical. Sure, I’ll agree that the majority of beginners quit, or really aren’t going to become some type of hardcore aficionado, but don’t give up on everyone because of the numbers game under it. The more that get into the gym, that get and apply some information, the more that will decide to get serious… even if that is a small number overall and it takes a few years to progress.
Like prof said, just point people to the damned threads, mention searching, and let them go find the details.
Your attitude, in most of your threads and posts, stinks. You seem to think you can judge every book by its cover, throwing away the vast majority of humanity as deficient because not enough people are like you.
[quote]vroom wrote:
You are just too damned cynical. Sure, I’ll agree that the majority of beginners quit, or really aren’t going to become some type of hardcore aficionado, but don’t give up on everyone because of the numbers game under it. [/quote]
No one experts everyone to know everything. But we’re getting off topic: The questions being asked relate to stuff like creatine. What kind of person just posts to a forum asking about creatine? A lazy person who wants instant gratification, that’s who. Those people do not stick around.
I still can’t believe that my views are controversial. I had no idea the world was so full of hand-holders who think people unwilling to even do remedial research should have their every whim catered to.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
No one experts everyone to know everything. But we’re getting off topic: The questions being asked relate to stuff like creatine. What kind of person just posts to a forum asking about creatine? A lazy person who wants instant gratification, that’s who. Those people do not stick around.
I still can’t believe that my views are controversial. I had no idea the world was so full of hand-holders who think people unwilling to even do remedial research should have their every whim catered to.[/quote]
You were never a 16 year old kid with his head up his ass… who didn’t realize that stuff that was brand new to him was old and boring to the rest of the world?
When people are just getting started, they may not know where to start out, what to search for, and so on.
I know it is hard to believe, but until you catch hell from someone for being a dumbass, the right way to do things may just elude some people. That’s life.
It has nothing to do with holding hands… shit, I’ve given people hell for not searching before, I know what you mean.
When I first showed up here I was just so grateful to have been given not only a second lease on life, but the opportunity to hopefully rebuild my once passably impressive physique that I wanted to help any raw green newb I saw here.
I had a lot more foundational knowledge than my actual progress presently showed and I really wanted to help others in some small way to achieve their goals.
Having been around here 6 or 7 months now I admit that it’s beginning to wear me out in the sense that I’m wearying of typing the same things over and over when a simple search would’ve brought mine and tons of other peoples comments in a few minutes.
On the other hand I’m half scared to send an apparently sincere new guy to the search button for fear that they’ll be suffocated in the tangled web of information that’s always been a part of this game and is 1000 times worse now with the advent of the internet.
“Use the search button” can be a keenly honed double edged sword of a piece of advice. They have no idea what to believe and judging from the ones who stick around and post a while, wind up with their heads scrambled full of so much information they don’t know where to start.
On the other hand the ones who want it bad enough will start doing SOMETHING and figure it out as they go. Also some questions are so outright asinine that it’s pretty easy to see this guy ain’t in it for the long haul.
Some people are tough on guys like Professor X for what they perceive as just being a cantankerous personality, but when I picture myself here a few years from now looking at the one millionth thread started by a guy on a self inflicted hunger strike asking why he can’t see his abs and can I get bigger on 1200 calories a day it gets quite a bit easier to understand.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
I need friends more than enemies. That newb might be able to help me out someday in the off topic forums. No point in pissing in his cornflakes.
People posting to the forum about creatine aren’t real estate moguls, successful businesspersons, or other Type A people who can answer your off-topic questions. I am confident that the people asking stupid questions are utter losers in whatever field they work in.
Type A people tend to think for themselves and research issues before asking questions. Those are the people I want at the T-Mag forums.[/quote]
So what if they are utter losers. Who cares? There doesn’t seem to be a requirement to be a winner in the rules for posting threads of this website.
Even though some beginners like to have all the information served up to them on a ready-to-go plate, it does give some new members a chance to explain things and help another out.
But it all comes down to expectations. If someone wants it all ‘solved’ in one small paragraph, then they can take a hike back to the cardio express-zone.
Someone here said that typing in creatine will bring back too many pages, many which might not have the answer.
Read those pages I say. Then you might actually learn about another question you might have wanted to ask next.
I’m not going as far to say these people are losers or anything, but I would bet (my left nut) many who ask questions (with common-sense answers) who aren’t prepared to do a bit of reading and find out for themselves would probably not have read a book in their life.
Reading is a pleasure, but to many it seems a task. ‘You mean I have to read maybe two articles to find the answer! What help are youse guys!’
[quote]vroom wrote:
<<< Look, neither you nor I knows who will or won’t get bitten by the iron bug at some point. >>>[/quote]
This is a really good point. I originally got into training by complete accident. I wasn’t looking to improve myself, lose weight (har dee har har, 160 pounds then) or anything else.
My then fiancee, now wife won me a free 90 day membership to a Jack Lalanne “gym” in a drawing. She played racquetball there. I started going a few times a week just to please her.
It wasn’t until my utterly ignorant, uninformed and in all other ways wrong workouts actually started to work that I got hooked and redesigned my entire life around training and training information.
